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[Signing] Canucks sign F Sam Gagner [3 year x $3.15M AAV]


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Just now, CanadianRugby said:

Term/length isn't terrible as long as there's no NTC.  

 

Though I agree with what Ray Ferraro said on TSN.  

"Vancouver is going to sign 3 vets today but I don't know what they're trying to do, get from 29th to 23rd?  What's the point of that?"  

 

I'm hoping Gagne was signed so that he can be given an opportunity to play big minutes and has another good season, then gets flipped at a trade deadline.  

Well Philly finished 22nd overall and picked second overall no point in tanking anymore, Colorado finished last and picked 4th. 

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3 minutes ago, combover said:

Mceneny pedan Holm subban, virtanen, goldobin ect. Sooner or later you have to start playing some of your own products what the motivation from this organization if the message is always the same we don't believe in you. That's what managment told markstrom when they adimtitly tried to resign miller again the same message to all the guys in the farm that should be making the jump this year or next. Benning gets caught up in the hype every year. You'd think after 4 drafts and a self proclaimed super scout he'd have found a few players that could handle the NHL. 

the best part is benning probably believes this is a playoff team now.

Agreed... not one of these signings today has me interested in paying real money to watch this team live in person.  Who would pay good money to support this.

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2 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Term/length isn't terrible as long as there's no NTC.  

 

Though I agree with what Ray Ferraro said on TSN.  

"Vancouver is going to sign 3 vets today but I don't know what they're trying to do, get from 29th to 23rd?  What's the point of that?"  

 

I'm hoping Gagne was signed so that he can be given an opportunity to play big minutes and has another good season, then gets flipped at a trade deadline.  

I understand what Ray is saying but did finishing 3rd last and 2nd last the past 2 years pan out in the draft lottery??? 

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Love the signing as it's clearly a bridge towards the future. It gives those prospects like Dahlen who are on the cusp pf being NHL players time to develop both physically and mentally down in the AHL without forcing them into the NHL before they are ready and possibly stunting their development. It also sends a signal to young players like Horvat and Boeser who are already in the NHL that management isn't simply mailing in the season with hopes of bettering their draft odds. This is team is around 3 years away from competing for a playoff spot and now is the time for patience as we finally are building strong depth in our prospect pool. It's not the time rush. IMO this signing, and the others shows Jim Benning is going to be patient with our prospects and that's a solid sign for the future.

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Never been a huge Gagner fan but maybe that's about to change.  Not a "win the cup" move but a very nice insulation piece against Hank retiring while Petterson and Gaudette stay in the oven. Very nice move to help the power play as well.

 

Term and cap hit aren't onerous either and he might snag a return at the deadline.  

 

Nice haul so far.

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4 minutes ago, combover said:

Mceneny pedan Holm subban, virtanen, goldobin ect. Sooner or later you have to start playing some of your own products what the motivation from this organization if the message is always the same we don't believe in you. That's what managment told markstrom when they adimtitly tried to resign miller again the same message to all the guys in the farm that should be making the jump this year or next. Benning gets caught up in the hype every year. You'd think after 4 drafts and a self proclaimed super scout he'd have found a few players that could handle the NHL. 

the best part is benning probably believes this is a playoff team now.

 

The reality is you can't rush the majority of young players into the NHL. The evidence shows teams are better off having their prospects play at least 1 or 2 years in the AHL. If the Canucks can build up the depth on the NHL team, then prospects can get reps in the AHL and then get called up when injuries strike - less pressure and also allows the team to slowly test where the prospect is at. I know many people don't like the plan but I think it is way to go (unless McDavid is the draft pick)

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2 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

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Though I agree with what Ray Ferraro said on TSN.  

"Vancouver is going to sign 3 vets today but I don't know what they're trying to do, get from 29th to 23rd?  What's the point of that?"  

Ray Ferraro seems to be a knowledgable guy and I always think someone who played that long is worth at least listening to but what does he think progression involves?   You don't go from 29 to 1 - you go 29, 23, 17, 14 ...... etc. sort of thing.    Anyway, of all the things he says, this one is the oddest in a while as if your team isn't showing some progression then what is the point?    Even grabbing a generational first round pick may not move you up six spots in the standings all in one  year.....so is the plan always to either be 30th or 1st?    

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2 minutes ago, the_impersonator13 said:

I understand what Ray is saying but did finishing 3rd last and 2nd last the past 2 years pan out in the draft lottery??? 

Exactly... plus development is as important and drafting so having a piece in place to keep Petterson in the oven when Hank retires is key.

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2 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

And Toronto finished last and picked first, what's your point.  

Canucks don't have someone in NHL head office with Maple Leaf tattoo on behind - that is the difference and that would make his point at same time.

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1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Ray Ferraro seems to be a knowledgable guy and I always think someone who played that long is worth at least listening to but what does he think progression involves?   You don't go from 29 to 1 - you go 29, 23, 17, 14 ...... etc. sort of thing.    Anyway, of all the things he says, this one is the oddest in a while as if your team isn't showing some progression then what is the point?    Even grabbing a generational first round pick may not move you up six spots in the standings all in one  year.....so is the plan always to either be 30th or 1st?    

Mebbe just towing the TSN line -- hey you wanna be on the show, you know the Canuck narrative we preach here.

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1 minute ago, CanadianRugby said:

And Toronto finished last and picked first, what's your point.  

I'm for progession and team building not tanking, move up to the high-mid 20's-top 15-20-top 15-10-top 10-top 5 and Contender.

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8 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Though I agree with what Ray Ferraro said on TSN.  

"Vancouver is going to sign 3 vets today but I don't know what they're trying to do, get from 29th to 23rd?  What's the point of that?"  

The point is to give our glut of young, skilled wingers a playmaking center in Gagne to feed off of, a goalie because...well...we needed a goalie, and a defensman because we lost 2 this offseason.

 

We're still going to be a cellar dweller regardless.

 

I don't quite get why Ferraro is having a hard time understanding it. 

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1 minute ago, 5nothincanucksohno said:

 

The reality is you can't rush the majority of young players into the NHL. The evidence shows teams are better off having their prospects play at least 1 or 2 years in the AHL. If the Canucks can build up the depth on the NHL team, then prospects can get reps in the AHL and then get called up when injuries strike - less pressure and also allows the team to slowly test where the prospect is at. I know many people don't like the plan but I think it is way to go (unless McDavid is the draft pick)

I'm on board but the guys with keeping the youth away from benning "rebuild". But there has to be a light an opportunity for the guys that have been there for two plus years. Even if it just a rotation in give them a taste of what there working for. Call up to sit in the press box while lesser players continue to get the call isn't an incentive to work harder or show any kind of loyalty to the organization. 

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5 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

 

"Vancouver is going to sign 3 vets today but I don't know what they're trying to do, get from 29th to 23rd?  What's the point of that?"  

Ferraro is usually pretty spot on in his assessments, but that is a really dumb statement.

 

First of all we lost Miller, Sbisa, and Tryamkin this off-season. Those guys needed to be replaced just to meet the roster requirements since we don't have guys in Utica to fill that role.

 

Gagner was signed so that the young guys we're developing don't have to play with guys like Chaput and Megna who aren't full time NHLers.

 

If he thinks these moves alone are going to change our fortunes, I guess he's more optimistic than most. If anything is going to change our draft position it's going to be bounce back years from guys who underperformed or were injured last season.

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Just now, Rob_Zepp said:

Ray Ferraro seems to be a knowledgable guy and I always think someone who played that long is worth at least listening to but what does he think progression involves?   You don't go from 29 to 1 - you go 29, 23, 17, 14 ...... etc. sort of thing.    Anyway, of all the things he says, this one is the oddest in a while as if your team isn't showing some progression then what is the point?    Even grabbing a generational first round pick may not move you up six spots in the standings all in one  year.....so is the plan always to either be 30th or 1st?    

I see what you're saying but the Leafs went from last to a 95 point season.  I'm not arguing that's what Vancouver should be trying but I'm just sayin.. 

You're right that most teams have gradual improvements.  

 

If Vancouver improves from 29th to 23rd because Boeser, Goldobin, and Juolevi light it up.. that's great!  I think that's the point Ray was making is that when you're a terrible team, you should improve (slowly or quickly) through your draft picks (like the Leafs, who were led by their youngsters).  Vancouver is AGAIN trying to improve in the standings by bringing in vets instead of concentrating on a top pick and acquiring a bunch of draft picks.  I thought Benning had learned his lesson but I was wrong.  

 

Going into this FA period I was hoping we'd add size & toughness, we already have a team of smallish soft players.   

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