Warhippy Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: You add Nilsson, Del Zotto, Wiercioch (and Burmistrov?) - and the team is still sitting with ballpark 10 million of cap space. Sign Horvat and they still have a mittfull to work with for flexibility - and 14 million expiring next year..... Added you almost have to know that either come current players on the roster or those we just signed are getting moved before March's TDL and benning...actually looks smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pickly Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 42 minutes ago, combover said: Mceneny pedan Holm subban, virtanen, goldobin ect. Sooner or later you have to start playing some of your own products what the motivation from this organization if the message is always the same we don't believe in you. That's what managment told markstrom when they adimtitly tried to resign miller again the same message to all the guys in the farm that should be making the jump this year or next. Benning gets caught up in the hype every year. You'd think after 4 drafts and a self proclaimed super scout he'd have found a few players that could handle the NHL. the best part is benning probably believes this is a playoff team now. Pedan, Mceneny, Virtanen, and Goldobin have all had looks at the NHL. Aside from Mcenenys little stint, the other 3 have proven to the coaches and management they are not ready to be regulars. Even the casual fan can see that. You also have to remember you are injecting youth into a lineup that has been depleted of true talent for years. Aside from the Sedins, the Canucks have not had any star players like the other teams in the league to help shelter these kids and allow them to excel offensively when there is little offense to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 59 minutes ago, JoesRooster said: Except Higgins never had half the skill Gagner has. Jeez watching Higgins sometimes just made me cringe. you must be a youngin' Higgins may not have been as creative as Gagner, but he was an outstanding two way player - and highly intelligent. Was a key piece in our run to the SCF. Sad to see people bad mouth a guy like him that gave everything he had, fought through health issues, and when it came time to move on took it like a boss, went to the AHL and was a great influence on our young players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5nothincanucksohno Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: I wanted low dollar free agents, Gagne is not that. I wanted big forwards & D so there is some physicality and protection for those young guys coming up. You figure some of them will make the team this year and we have a tiny soft team for them to play on and we just signed a couple more soft guys. Don't disagree but it sounds like they tried but for example Bouma went a different direction. Not too concerned though because I think that is the type of player they can target via trade. Lots of pieces now to make that happen if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Leafs or Oilers argument is not valid unless you get 1OA generational etc. Take away McDavid and Matthews and this conversation isn't the same at all. I think Ray (and you?) are seeing something I am not. Vancouver wants to develop its young players in an professional environment and that includes being competitive though not necessarily winning more than losing. They didn't seemingly go after any long-term, high end free agents but wanted to field a true NHL team over the next few years and allow spots for the prospects that truly deserve a shot versus are thrust into action before they are ready. Like all successful teams, Vancouver will need to develop a strong farm system and have an AHL team that would be good enough to win some NHL games - and they are not there yet. I don't disagree on wanting some size but I don't agree with you at all that the Canucks are a soft team. A few posters call some of the players soft and the stats don't back that up at all. Soft are players that will not go into tough areas, will not block shots and will not take a hit. Soft players exist in the NHL but are increasingly few and far between. If you have ever played higher end (professional) hockey, you will know that there are VERY few soft players at that level and they typically don't last long, I also note when you look at height/weight averages for Van in compare to other teams they are not in the bottom - so again, where is the perception coming from? I don't have the stats for this year's roster (But losing Tryamkin & Sbisa doesn't bode well), but last year Vancouver was the lightest team in the league. http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2016/10/2016-17-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html If the Canucks aren't soft then there are no soft teams in sports, who on this team is tough to play against other than maybe Gudbranson? 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: You need to learn sarcasm. Not sure what nationality or age you are but in my world, it is a skill learned in high school. If you believe for a minute I think the NHL gave Toronto the FOA pick and would purposely deny Vancouver the same ..... sigh. I always assume when making responses on such a board that the readers are also mature, have a sense of humour and take a broad view of perspectives. Every once in a while I am given pause by a post like yours. Then again, perhaps you are not being serious? I've seen a 1000 conspiracy theories about the draft and you're the first one to say you were being sarcastic, so.. I guess my bad for not being able to spot it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaboVancouver Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 I look at the Oilers who were awful for a decade and the only reason they got out of it was luck in the lottery that got them McDavid or else they might still be at the bottom of the standings. The same thing in Toronto with a decade of futility until they landed Matthews. Colorado is tearing things down and starting their rebuild over. Generational players don't come all that often. We finally have GM who was a scout who seems to know his way around a draft table and is building something here. I saw the Bruins team Benning helped build hoist a cup at Rogers Arena without a generational star on it so it can be done without tanking. Let O'Neil, Ward and Ferraro stay at TSN and as far away from our GM's desk as possible. I like where Benning is leading this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CanadianRugby Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 11 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Well NJ finished 25th and picked first overall so finishing in the mid 20's isn't bad anymore. These moves let the kids develop while still keeping us in the top 5 at best top 10 at worst. With Benning's ability to find gems I'm not worried. If you finish at the bottom the worst pick you're getting is 5th overall, better than drafting 15th overall. Though you may be right, Benning seems to be better at picking outside the top 10 than in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Added you almost have to know that either come current players on the roster or those we just signed are getting moved before March's TDL and benning...actually looks smart. Benning doesn't look smart... he just has a big check book.... just like overpaying for Miller $6 Million a year... now Miller he is getting 2. Benning overpays on every FA he signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Why are you worried about us finishing higher in the standings if we're a butter soft, tiny team? Because 1. if we finish higher it hurts our chances at the top pick 2. if youngsters do make the team this year they can be hit with dirty hits and abused with nobody to protect them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: If the Canucks aren't soft then there are no soft teams in sports, who on this team is tough to play against other than maybe Gudbranson? What level of hockey do you or have you played? I am going to guess irrespective of your answer that if I run a St Louis drill but with scrum for breakout that you don't come out of the corner with any of Dorsett, Gaunce, either Sedin, Boeser and the list keeps going. You seem to confuse "soft" with something else. Are you sure you watch hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Because 1. if we finish higher it hurts our chances at the top pick 2. if youngsters do make the team this year they can be hit with dirty hits and abused with nobody to protect them You misinterpret my point. If this team, with the signings that have been made today, is tiny/soft/weak, and is likely to be beaten up/run over by the rest of the conference, then how can this team make a significant jump in the standings? It should still be a cellar dweller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, oldnews said: you must be a youngin' Higgins may not have been as creative as Gagner, but he was an outstanding two way player - and highly intelligent. Was a key piece in our run to the SCF. Sad to see people bad mouth a guy like him that gave everything he had, fought through health issues, and when it came time to move on took it like a boss, went to the AHL and was a great influence on our young players. Higgins and Torres were playoff warriors for us! they forget too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HI5 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 Seems like this guy always plays on losing teams and just had a solid season in his contact year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 LOL - tank nation still/already moping..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: I don't have the stats for this year's roster (But losing Tryamkin & Sbisa doesn't bode well), but last year Vancouver was the lightest team in the league. http://mirtle.blogspot.ca/2016/10/2016-17-nhl-teams-by-height-weight-and.html If the Canucks aren't soft then there are no soft teams in sports, who on this team is tough to play against other than maybe Gudbranson? I've seen a 1000 conspiracy theories about the draft and you're the first one to say you were being sarcastic, so.. I guess my bad for not being able to spot it? We have Dorsett, LaBate, Stecher, Guddy and few more who play a physical, yet defensive game and score points too once in a while. Gagner may not be physical but he gets it done on the scoresheet and that's all you can ask for along with playing a 200' game which he has accomplished over his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salacious Crumb Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 16 minutes ago, Claiborne55 said: Benning doesn't look smart... he just has a big check book.... just like overpaying for Miller $6 Million a year... now Miller he is getting 2. Benning overpays on every FA he signs. Which of the signings made today did he overpay on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soshified Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: I see what you're saying but the Leafs went from last to a 95 point season. I'm not arguing that's what Vancouver should be trying but I'm just sayin.. You're right that most teams have gradual improvements. If Vancouver improves from 29th to 23rd because Boeser, Goldobin, and Juolevi light it up.. that's great! I think that's the point Ray was making is that when you're a terrible team, you should improve (slowly or quickly) through your draft picks (like the Leafs, who were led by their youngsters). Vancouver is AGAIN trying to improve in the standings by bringing in vets instead of concentrating on a top pick and acquiring a bunch of draft picks. I thought Benning had learned his lesson but I was wrong. Going into this FA period I was hoping we'd add size & toughness, we already have a team of smallish soft players. Last year Benning brought in Loui to a massive deal in an attempt to ignite the Sedins and turn the ship around slightly. He then followed it by signing minor guys like Chaput and Megna... This year he brought in stop gap guys to all short terms and all under 3mil. Who are all in their mid 20's to provide a support for the youth. Instead of having someone like Goldobin playing with Chaput. He can potentially play with Ganger now. Isn't that better? Vancouver isn't doing this to hopefully make the playoffs. Or else they would have tried to land big FA like Alzner or Shattenkirk.. They're doing this to help the youth, who aren't ready. We seen how McCann and Virtanen planned out. The only examples you can say who really panned out by rushing into the league was Horvat and maybe Stetcher/Hutton. (Boeser still needs work imo). A prime example of letting the prospect develop in the AHL is Goldobin. Through history, you seen how Vancouver always have a big list of injuries. The prospects will get their chance. And if they do, they will play with a better support system instead of relying on minor league depth guys like Chaput. People keep saying add toughness and size. But in today's NHL, that doesn't matter anymore. It's all about skill and speed. We have toughness and size in Gudbranson and everyone here seem to complain about him. (Hell if you wanna complain about size, we added a 6'5 Weircoch (sp?) today) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: You misinterpret my point. If this team, with the signings that have been made today, is tiny/soft/weak, and is likely to be beaten up/run over by the rest of the conference, then how can this team make a significant jump in the standings? It should still be a cellar dweller. a.k.a. talking out of both sides of one's piehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claiborne55 Posted July 1, 2017 Share Posted July 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Salacious Crumb said: Which of the signings made today did he overpay on? Gagner has a career year in a contract year...over $9 million for three year... we will regret this by Christmas.. just like so many contracts from Benning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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