qwijibo Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, Rob_Zepp said: Not sure, I don't work for Vancouver. If the D was Subban (revise time) and the Canucks were in the shape Canadians are otherwise, maybe I think about it. Otherwise, probably not. However, Montreal seems to make bizarre trades all the time. Seem bent on perpetual mediocrity. In what world do Tanev and Subban fill the same role? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 3 hours ago, brian42 said: to MTL: Tanev -main piece for Montreal Sutter - Fills in for Plekanec plus cheaper and younger. Canucks lose the long term commitment. Baertschi -fills in some of the scoring in montreal from Radulov and Galchenyuk 3'rd round Pick To Van: Galchenyuk -main piece for Vancouver much needed scoring Plekanec - Cap dump for montreal(6 million). Only 1 year left for Vancouver can flip at deadline and retain some salary. Allows Montreal to make other adds. 2018 1'st - Montreal is in win now mode so trading a 1'st to a rebuilding team makes sense. Main pieces are Tanev and Galchenyuk, Vancouver gets a 1'st because of adding Baertschi, and eating Plekanec's contract. Tanev - 4.45 Sutter - 4.375 Baer - 1.85 10.675 Plekanec - 6 Chucky - 4-5 mil? It could work cap wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: In what world do Tanev and Subban fill the same role? The fantasy world of trade proposals by people who don't have a clue - including you and me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, Rob_Zepp said: The fantasy world of trade proposals by people who don't have a clue - including you and me. Even in a fantasy world you can use logic and common sense. Tanev and Subban are not remotely comparable. If you can't recognize that simple fact then there's no sense talking to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Even in a fantasy world you can use logic and common sense. Tanev and Subban are not remotely comparable. If you can't recognize that simple fact then there's no sense talking to you. Fair enough. I don't remember saying they were equivalent but it seemed you tried to twist something and I thought I would play along - sorry it annoyed you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Fair enough. I don't remember saying they were equivalent but it seemed you tried to twist something and I thought I would play along - sorry it annoyed you. The example I offered you was a trade scenario that involved bringing in a right shooting shut down D. (Much like Tanev). I asked if that's a trade you would make if you were the Canucks. You said possibly. If the D was Subban. Either you didn't understand or you just decided to ignore it. The fact remains that you don't need to be an employee of the team to know what the basic needs of the team are. Just takes an understanding of the game and familiarity with the teams current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, qwijibo said: The example I offered you was a trade scenario that involved bringing in a right shooting shut down D. (Much like Tanev). I asked if that's a trade you would make if you were the Canucks. You said possibly. If the D was Subban. Either you didn't understand or you just decided to ignore it. The fact remains that you don't need to be an employee of the team to know what the basic needs of the team are. Just takes an understanding of the game and familiarity with the teams current roster. No, and you don't need to assume you know more than you do and be a dick about it. Your call. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, Rob_Zepp said: No, and you don't need to assume you know more than you do and be a dick about it. Your call. Cheers. Apparently logic and common sense have no place in your world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 2 hours ago, qwijibo said: Apparently logic and common sense have no place in your world. LOL Guess not. Don't agree with quijibobo and you don't have logic. Belly laugh enjoyed. Thanks for the entertainment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 10 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: LOL Guess not. Don't agree with quijibobo and you don't have logic. Belly laugh enjoyed. Thanks for the entertainment! It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me. Someone pointed out the original proposal didn't address Montreals needs and you came back with the childish response of "I didn't realize you worked for the Habs" i tried to to point out that you don't need to be an employee of a team to understand it's needs and you've done nothing but deflect and offer troll responses. I'm done with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 Just now, qwijibo said: It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with me. Someone pointed out the original proposal didn't address Montreals needs and you came back with the childish response of "I didn't realize you worked for the Habs" i tried to to point out that you don't need to be an employee of a team to understand it's needs and you've done nothing but deflect and offer troll responses. I'm done with you. No, he claimed to know what was better for the Habs than anyone else and you picked up the same tone. You don;t, he doesn't and neither do I. You don't know "Their needs" and they are a team that makes bizarre moves all the time. This is a proposal thread for trades and the complexity of the proposal seemed unworkable and a tweak was suggested and two pompous posters now speak on behalf of everyone else. Listen, I could agree with you on all of this but then we would both be wrong. Have fun and keep on being pompous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 7 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: No, he claimed to know what was better for the Habs than anyone else and you picked up the same tone. You don;t, he doesn't and neither do I. You don't know "Their needs" and they are a team that makes bizarre moves all the time. This is a proposal thread for trades and the complexity of the proposal seemed unworkable and a tweak was suggested and two pompous posters now speak on behalf of everyone else. Listen, I could agree with you on all of this but then we would both be wrong. Have fun and keep on being pompous! He relayed what has been widely reported by people close to the team. Including team officials. But it would dont against your conclusion it was a good deal. So you got petty. Just because someone is better informed on Montreal than you are doesn't mean they're pompous. It means they follow the team closer than you do. I can dig up dozens of mainstream media references to what Montreal is looking for. But I suspect you'll dismiss those as well. Have fun fun being a petulant child Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 9 minutes ago, qwijibo said: He relayed what has been widely reported by people close to the team. Including team officials. But it would dont against your conclusion it was a good deal. So you got petty. Just because someone is better informed on Montreal than you are doesn't mean they're pompous. It means they follow the team closer than you do. I can dig up dozens of mainstream media references to what Montreal is looking for. But I suspect you'll dismiss those as well. Have fun fun being a petulant child Will do. Lol. Will do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian42 Posted July 4, 2017 Author Share Posted July 4, 2017 Montreal has 5 LD on their roster and 2 RD. if Alzner plays with Weber I don't see any reason why Petry and Tanev could not be split up. Also their is many ways to win what is wrong with being the hardest team to score against in the league? Cap wise it works for Montreal who still has a lot of cap space and would be getting 3 players for less than the two they are trading. Montreal gets a younger cheaper C than Plekanec who scored more points on a 29'th ranked team, they also get Baertschi who can fill in most of the void from Galchenyuk and Tanev. Montreal would have more flexibility (3 roster spots for less money) to add another centre or winger who can score after this trade. In Vancouver Galchenyuk could play on Horavt or Petterson's wing in the future as I think he's better suited as a winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted July 4, 2017 Share Posted July 4, 2017 59 minutes ago, brian42 said: Montreal has 5 LD on their roster and 2 RD. if Alzner plays with Weber I don't see any reason why Petry and Tanev could not be split up. Also their is many ways to win what is wrong with being the hardest team to score against in the league? Cap wise it works for Montreal who still has a lot of cap space and would be getting 3 players for less than the two they are trading. Montreal gets a younger cheaper C than Plekanec who scored more points on a 29'th ranked team, they also get Baertschi who can fill in most of the void from Galchenyuk and Tanev. Montreal would have more flexibility (3 roster spots for less money) to add another centre or winger who can score after this trade. In Vancouver Galchenyuk could play on Horavt or Petterson's wing in the future as I think he's better suited as a winger. Other than Alzner, those LDs are not top-4 Ds. Alzner is too slow to play with Weber. They need someone that brings speed on the left side. Also Alzner is more of a shutdown D and they need more of a puck mover to complement Weber who never carries the puck. Montreal has 14M in cap space right now and only Galchenyuk left to sign as a RFA. Cap space is not an issue for this season and they don't have an internal budget so there's no real incentive to move Plekanec (it's the final year of his contract). Price's 10.5M contract kicks in in a year but by then Plekanec is off their books while Sutter would still be there. Hopefully by then they have found a C1 which allows everyone else to slide down a rank. Canucks do not have what the Habs are looking for - a ready to play C1 and a LD1. They could probably also use a top-6 RW to replace Radulov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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