UticaHockey Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 11 minutes ago, Quantum said: That's true... but I also see parallel's with Gagner too, though. It's a double edged sword. They're doing a nice PR spin of "we're moving Gagner to the Marlies so he's close to his offseason home!" But also, this keeps Gagner from being the top line centre of Utica -- a role that guys like Gaudette, MacEwen, and Kero can cycle through this season -- players who could become mainstay Canucks (well Gaudette and MacEwen, not Kero) rather than Gagner who, depending on how his AHL season goes this year, could be bought out next summer. That's the point I was making but your point makes sense too. And another way to think about it. Benning is assigning Gagner to his farm team's division rival, the defending Calder Cup champion and the team that knocked the Comets out of the playoffs. How would it look if he scores the playoff clinching goal ending the Comets season this year and not allowing some of the players you mentioned the experience of a long playoff run. Sam Gagner has 3.1 million reasons to be in Utica providing leadership to these kids that will eventually be part of the Canucks future. Not playing against them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just send him to the ECHL 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngguns19 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Connor comet said: Does Dim Jim have any clue that the Comets have been without a playmaking center for the last 2 seasons?????? JB is far from dim. The whole point of the Comets is to develop our prospects. Gags would just be pushing someone like Gaudette down a line. It also continues the trend of JB being a decent even in a bad situation. Just like with Burr and Hanson. he asked them where they would prefer to go, and did his best to make that happen. Jb is showing potential players down the line he might be interested in, that he is a stand-up guy. It also showcases gags for a trade, without taking playing time away from our guys in Utica. Looking back now. Its funny how much he was ripped in the press for the return he got on Vaneck and holm. Yet both made the team this year. Far from dim is Jim cheers 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Should stipulate that he can't dress vs UTI. I'm not thrilled with this news, but there's been some great silver lining thoughts posted here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 37 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: And another way to think about it. Benning is assigning Gagner to his farm team's division rival, the defending Calder Cup champion and the team that knocked the Comets out of the playoffs. How would it look if he scores the playoff clinching goal ending the Comets season this year and not allowing some of the players you mentioned the experience of a long playoff run. Sam Gagner has 3.1 million reasons to be in Utica providing leadership to these kids that will eventually be part of the Canucks future. Not playing against them. They did it out of respect to Gagner who is from the Toronto area. People often tend to forget that players talk, and so do agents. When it comes to negotiating with Gagner's agent in the future, they'll remember that the Canucks treated him with respect. That goes a long ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, RetroCanuck said: Who knows, maybe toronto will end up liking him and trade for him. Decent depth C/W for a contender if retained salary. Also something people are overlooking. He is right in the Leafs backyard now and is a hometown kid. If injuries happen, or they can't work something out with Nylander, you better believe they'll be looking at scoring depth guys like Gagner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Elliotte Friedman on sportsnet 650 also said besides the family reason, Toronto Marlies are one of the more popular scouting areas in the AHL, thus could open up opportunity for him if a team sees him and likes him. Friedman also spoke upon how a few agents and players reached out to him to voice their displeasure with this move of the Canucks waiving Gags. Apparently was a very popular person around the league. Edited October 2, 2018 by CRAZY_4_NAZZY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Elliotte Friedman on sportsnet 650 also said besides the family reason, Toronto Marlies are one of the more popular scouting areas in the AHL, thus could open up opportunity for him if a team sees him and likes him. Friedman also spoke upon how a few agents and players reached out to him to voice their displeasure with this move of the Canucks waiving Gags. Apparently was a very popular person around the league. Pales in comparison to the number of veterans TO has put on Robidas island. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, youngguns19 said: JB is far from dim. The whole point of the Comets is to develop our prospects. Gags would just be pushing someone like Gaudette down a line. It also continues the trend of JB being a decent even in a bad situation. Just like with Burr and Hanson. he asked them where they would prefer to go, and did his best to make that happen. Jb is showing potential players down the line he might be interested in, that he is a stand-up guy. It also showcases gags for a trade, without taking playing time away from our guys in Utica. Looking back now. Its funny how much he was ripped in the press for the return he got on Vaneck and holm. Yet both made the team this year. Far from dim is Jim cheers I think Kyle Dubas has a better understanding of how to develop prospects in the AHL in a winning environment than Jim Benning. After all he just graduated 6 players from a Calder Cup winning team. How many players did the Comets graduate from last year...the year before that? Dubas seems to find ways to bring in solid vets without stunting the growth of his prospects. The most ironic thing about the Gagner deal is that Laurence Gilman is now the GM of the Marlies. Benning gets to hand off his $3.1M horrible contract to the guy he fired for free. Dim Jim strikes again. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor comet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 49 minutes ago, youngguns19 said: JB is far from dim. The whole point of the Comets is to develop our prospects. Gags would just be pushing someone like Gaudette down a line. It also continues the trend of JB being a decent even in a bad situation. Just like with Burr and Hanson. he asked them where they would prefer to go, and did his best to make that happen. Jb is showing potential players down the line he might be interested in, that he is a stand-up guy. It also showcases gags for a trade, without taking playing time away from our guys in Utica. Looking back now. Its funny how much he was ripped in the press for the return he got on Vaneck and holm. Yet both made the team this year. Far from dim is Jim cheers So where are all these "prospects" Jim has developed over the past 5 seasons???? I've never seen a more screwed up franchise in my life... Leaves his so called prospects in the AHL without a #1 center for two seasons, and then gives one away to a division rival and said AHL team still lacks a #1center.... Yeah you got us on that one... He's Brilliant!!!!!! 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Connor comet said: So where are all these "prospects" Jim has developed over the past 5 seasons???? I've never seen a more screwed up franchise in my life... Leaves his so called prospects in the AHL without a #1 center for two seasons, and then gives one away to a division rival and said AHL team still lacks a #1center.... Yeah you got us on that one... He's Brilliant!!!!!! Who is the number one center JB gave to another team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor comet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Who is the number one center JB gave to another team? Mind boggling........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Just now, Connor comet said: Mind boggling........ Well ... who is this number one center JB gave away to a division rival? Enlighten me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 34 minutes ago, Connor comet said: So where are all these "prospects" Jim has developed over the past 5 seasons???? I've never seen a more screwed up franchise in my life... Leaves his so called prospects in the AHL without a #1 center for two seasons, and then gives one away to a division rival and said AHL team still lacks a #1center.... Yeah you got us on that one... He's Brilliant!!!!!! You do realize our prospect pool has been voted in the top three by pretty much all the major pundits. They are prospects so you wont find them in the lineup yet. Thus called prospects. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 31 minutes ago, Alflives said: Well ... who is this number one center JB gave away to a division rival? Enlighten me. Good luck with that Alf. Even if the light is on... nobody's home. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 59 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: I think Kyle Dubas has a better understanding of how to develop prospects in the AHL in a winning environment than Jim Benning. After all he just graduated 6 players from a Calder Cup winning team. How many players did the Comets graduate from last year...the year before that? Dubas seems to find ways to bring in solid vets without stunting the growth of his prospects. The most ironic thing about the Gagner deal is that Laurence Gilman is now the GM of the Marlies. Benning gets to hand off his $3.1M horrible contract to the guy he fired for free. Dim Jim strikes again. hmmm.. not sure that's all Dubas all those years that Toronto was missing the playoffs, filling the cupboards with draft picks, Gillis was selling off our future. not all that surprising they can graduate more players than the comets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connor comet Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 16 minutes ago, rekker said: You do realize our prospect pool has been voted in the top three by pretty much all the major pundits. They are prospects so you wont find them in the lineup yet. Thus called prospects. So having a veteran center to anchor all those prospect wingers is a bad thing? The marlies did exactly that last year with Ben Smith centering their top line. Who would Gagner take ice time from?? Hamilton and Woods??? The Comets have spent the last two seasons scrambling for anyone that can win a faceoff..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Connor comet said: So having a veteran center to anchor all those prospect wingers is a bad thing? The marlies did exactly that last year with Ben Smith centering their top line. Who would Gagner take ice time from?? Hamilton and Woods??? The Comets have spent the last two seasons scrambling for anyone that can win a faceoff..... JB did the right thing for a veteran player. Its about the bigger picture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DeNiro Posted October 3, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2018 2 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Elliotte Friedman on sportsnet 650 also said besides the family reason, Toronto Marlies are one of the more popular scouting areas in the AHL, thus could open up opportunity for him if a team sees him and likes him. Friedman also spoke upon how a few agents and players reached out to him to voice their displeasure with this move of the Canucks waiving Gags. Apparently was a very popular person around the league. Sorry but just because you're liked doesn't mean you deserve a free pass in the nhl. If that were the case BizNasty and Scott would still be in the league. Bottom line is if you don't have a NMC you arent immune from getting cut when underperforming. I could think of lots of players that would love to get paid 3 mil to play in the AHL. 1 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 I'm just hoping we can graduate some defenseman before they're 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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