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54 minutes ago, rekker said:

JB did the right thing for a veteran player. Its about the bigger picture. 

I agree. Some people will like the move and some won’t. But It was the right thing to do in many ways. 

 

The one thing that’s important here is that as an organization we are at a point in our rebuild where we have ample young prospects in our cupboards who need ice time to develop. A guy like Gagner would take that ice time away. 

 

Now Toronto is at a different stage of their rebuild, they’re  nearing the stage of contending in the playoffs. They’ve afforded the many prospects assembled over the years to marinate in the AHL with plenty of ice time. Now that some of those spots are opening up in the Marlies and subsequently the Leafs have  filled their  roster it takes nothing away from their prospects to include a player of Gagners kind.

 

Vancouver is going through the stages of a rebuild just like Toronto has. Some people still don’t get it.

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3 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Elliotte Friedman on sportsnet 650 also said besides the family reason, Toronto Marlies are one of the more popular scouting areas in the AHL, thus could open up opportunity for him if a team sees him and likes him.

 

Friedman also spoke upon how a few agents and players reached out to him to voice their displeasure with this move of the Canucks waiving Gags.  Apparently was a very popular person around the league.

 

 

What's the need for Elliotte Friedman to make comments like that....other than to stir the pot ?

 

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1 hour ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said:

I agree. Some people will like the move and some won’t. But It was the right thing to do in many ways. 

 

The one thing that’s important here is that as an organization we are at a point in our rebuild where we have ample young prospects in our cupboards who need ice time to develop. A guy like Gagner would take that ice time away. 

 

Now Toronto is at a different stage of their rebuild, they’re  nearing the stage of contending in the playoffs. They’ve afforded the many prospects assembled over the years to marinate in the AHL with plenty of ice time. Now that some of those spots are opening up in the Marlies and subsequently the Leafs have  filled their  roster it takes nothing away from their prospects to include a player of Gagners kind.

 

Vancouver is going through the stages of a rebuild just like Toronto has. Some people still don’t get it.

 

Can I ask why a guy like Gagner would take ice time away from young prospects but a guy like Roussel is completely necessary? Or does that apply to both of them?

 

I thought Gagner would be one of the more valuable pieces for Green this year in terms of versatility. He can fill in as a 2C if Pettersson struggles, play with other offensive prospects (Goldobin, Leipsic, etc.), was a contributor to our considerably improved power play last year and could be played anywhere without any developmental consequences. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but I thought he would be a better option to fill in as a warm body until he's replaced than some others. 

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46 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Can I ask why a guy like Gagner would take ice time away from young prospects but a guy like Roussel is completely necessary? Or does that apply to both of them?

 

I thought Gagner would be one of the more valuable pieces for Green this year in terms of versatility. He can fill in as a 2C if Pettersson struggles, play with other offensive prospects (Goldobin, Leipsic, etc.), was a contributor to our considerably improved power play last year and could be played anywhere without any developmental consequences. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but I thought he would be a better option to fill in as a warm body until he's replaced than some others. 

I'm not that fond of motte, love his motor but he lacks some skill. I think you win more games with gags. Surprised he was waived.  But perhaps there were some issues at practice and in the room that we dont see .

Is this an issue for the canucks moving forward as a desirable free agent destination? 

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3 minutes ago, austy said:

I'm not that fond of motte, love his motor but he lacks some skill. I think you win more games with gags. Surprised he was waived.  But perhaps there were some issues at practice and in the room that we dont see .

Is this an issue for the canucks moving forward as a desirable free agent destination? 

Quality free agents want to go to teams that are close to winning it all not to so so teams. Once we’re at the stage of having multiple solid pieces FAs would want to come here pronto. 

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Woah, woah, woah? Waiving Gagner could rub players on the team the wrong way? Is that what he is saying? Gagner did not deserve to be here over the people we kept. Simple as that. And I'd rather management rub some players the wrong way, we don't want people that think they are entitled to s***. You don't play well enough to be on the team, you shouldn't be here. If you think you are entitled to a spot cause of "veteran" reasons, or something even more stupid like "he was likable". We don't want you here either. You earn your keep and you fight to maintain your spot. The Sedins said that every year. "We are playing for our spots." That's why they always came into camp like machines in peak condition. They didn't take their spots for granted or came in complacent. Thinking they don't have to work as hard as others.

 

Also. Losing a ton of respect for Friedman, such a weird thing to say. Even he is taking the Toronto model of looking for a way to take a shot at Vancouver over any decision. Funny thing is I bet if Vancouver sent Motte down instead they'd all be saying "well so much for management staying true to their words about making spots for young guys that earn a spot". Just another idiot Leafsnet mouthpiece now.

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1 hour ago, N7Nucks said:

 

 

Also. Losing a ton of respect for Friedman, such a weird thing to say. Even he is taking the Toronto model of looking for a way to take a shot at Vancouver over any decision. Funny thing is I bet if Vancouver sent Motte down instead they'd all be saying "well so much for management staying true to their words about making spots for young guys that earn a spot". Just another idiot Leafsnet mouthpiece now.

To be fair he is only reporting people's reaction to it, but you're right about what would likely happen if it were Motte instead.  

I hope Gagner finds a suitor while with the Marlies and the Canucks reap the riches

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10 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Elliotte Friedman on sportsnet 650 also said besides the family reason, Toronto Marlies are one of the more popular scouting areas in the AHL, thus could open up opportunity for him if a team sees him and likes him.

 

Friedman also spoke upon how a few agents and players reached out to him to voice their displeasure with this move of the Canucks waiving Gags.  Apparently was a very popular person around the league.

 

 

Friedman has gotten so bad in the last couple years. Just goes for cheap negative headlines because someone in every fan base will always be pissed off by a move.

 

How is Gags getting waived somehow the fault of the Canucks? He's looked like a steaming turd for over a year. They tried to trade him, no one wanted him so he got waived.  Then they went out of their way to put him in a position to find another NHL home. Whether he's a swell guy doesn't matter one bit.

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Friedman believes it's not only about family but also increased exposure.  There's much more viewership in Toronto than in Utica.  Often scouts would watch both the Marlies and then watch Toronto.  He will probably also get more playing opportunities with several of their prospects moving up to the main team.

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59 minutes ago, mll said:

Friedman believes it's not only about family but also increased exposure.  There's much more viewership in Toronto than in Utica.  Often scouts would watch both the Marlies and then watch Toronto.  He will probably also get more playing opportunities with several of their prospects moving up to the main team.

Nice spin by Friedman.  The fact of the matter is Utica located in the middle of multiple AHL cities which is one of the main benefits of having a team there.....short bus trips and more practice time.  But the added bonus of having AHL teams bunched close together is that there are always a significant number of scouts in Utica, Syracuse, Binghamton, Rochester etc watching the games.

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After sleeping on it, idk if it really matters. Gagner will probably be one of the first recalls. And anytime a veteran player gets sent down there is a lengthy adjustment period (2-4 weeks) before they settle in and start producing.

 

Kero, Gaudette, Macmaster and Gaunce should be an improvement over last season's centers. But this still lacks that play making center that can set up the talented wingers  and run the pp. Hopefully Gaudette can grow into that roll, but if he does he will be in Vancouver. 

I would still like to see a couple forwards flipped for another Defenseman......

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12 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Sorry but just because you're liked doesn't mean you deserve a free pass in the nhl. If that were the case BizNasty and Scott would still be in the league.

 

Bottom line is if you don't have a NMC you arent immune from getting cut when underperforming. I could think of lots of players that would love to get paid 3 mil to play in the AHL.

Negative reactions are just as likely because it brings home the fragility and duration of NHL careers. Especially true if the negative fibs are coming from players out of Gagner's draft class.  

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17 hours ago, youngguns19 said:

JB is far from dim. The whole point of the Comets is to develop our prospects. Gags would just be pushing someone like Gaudette down a line. It also continues the trend of JB being a decent even in a bad situation. Just like with Burr and Hanson. he asked them where they would prefer to go, and did his best to make that happen.

 

Jb is showing potential players down the line he might be interested in, that he is a stand-up guy. It also showcases gags for a trade, without taking playing time away from our guys in Utica. Looking back now. Its funny how much he was ripped in the press for the return he got on Vaneck and holm. Yet both made the team this year. Far from dim is Jim cheers

Then explain to me why the last 2 seasons the Comets have been without a playmaking center or pretty much anyone that can win a faceoff other than a career checking center in Wacey Hamilton...... I really struggle to understand how your going to develop prospects when you can't even control the puck.....   

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17 hours ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said:

Friedman also spoke upon how a few agents and players reached out to him to voice their displeasure with this move of the Canucks waiving Gags.  Apparently was a very popular person around the league.

 

meh, an agent or two are miffed, oh well. How about living up to the contract? he showed up this camp and gave a listless effort. The message is a good one, if it scares off some marginal free agents from wanting to be here thats a good thing. 

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Whatever Friedman says about players and veterans being miffed is just sour grapes.

 

The positive message out of this is that the younger players on the team know that if the work hard and show that they want it, then they have a chance of getting a job, what better motivation than this?

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17 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Can I ask why a guy like Gagner would take ice time away from young prospects but a guy like Roussel is completely necessary? Or does that apply to both of them?

 

Roussel is a bottom 6 guy with a skill set utterly lacking from both our NHL and AHL depth. Gagner is a top 6 guy with a redundant skill set to both our NHL and AHL depth. 

 

The vast majority of our forward prospects lean heavily to the top 6 upside and the few that do have bottom 6 upside (and anything resembling his skill set), are still likely 2+ years away.

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