*Buzzsaw* Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Yes, you can say I am just crying in my beer about Tryamkin getting away.... and you'd be right. Despite the fact Gudbranson is healthy, the Canucks are looking a little shaky on Team defense. Del Zotto was not brought in for his shutdown abilities. Hutton is not the best player in his own end. Biega is too small to control some of the big fast forwards in the league. Edler is a steady defenseman, but he is one year older and one year slower. Stecher is a heck of defenseman considering his size... but you have to consider his size. Can Pouliot step up and become a defensive revelation...? Unlikely. Yes, Chris Tanev is in his prime and remains a big plus... but he is not dominant by any means... and he is injury prone. Especially when you consider the Canucks will be playing the Oilers a lot of games... and that is one big, fast, nasty team... it will be tough. Plus we don't have a Vezina quality netminder anymore... Miller kept a ton of games respectable last year... when by any normal measurement they should have been blowouts. Markstrom will prove he is a #1 goaltender, but there is a big difference between a goalie who is a decent #1 and a goalie who is bona fide Vezina quality... and Markstrom will not win the Vezina anytime soon. The good news is the Canucks will be putting a lot more pucks in the net... more exciting for the fans at least. But if the Canucks are to succeed and make the playoffs, they will need to emphasize discipline from the forwards and guys like Horvat will really need to grow into his predicted role as a Selke candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Angry Goose Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Im hoping they can hang. They might implode at times but I think they have a good mix of young and old. I thought Stetcher's interview about him and Edler as a pairing was pretty funny. DZ Gudbranson seem to click well, and Hutton/Tanev I'd like to see emphasize a quick transition game (really hope they become a pairing). Either way just beat EDM & CGY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob.Loblaw Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 2 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Yes, you can say I am just crying in my beer about Tryamkin getting away.... and you'd be right. Despite the fact Gudbranson is healthy, the Canucks are looking a little shaky on Team defense. Del Zotto was not brought in for his shutdown abilities. Hutton is not the best player in his own end. Biega is too small to control some of the big fast forwards in the league. Edler is a steady defenseman, but he is one year older and one year slower. Stecher is a heck of defenseman considering his size... but you have to consider his size. Can Pouliot step up and become a defensive revelation...? Unlikely. Yes, Chris Tanev is in his prime and remains a big plus... but he is not dominant by any means... and he is injury prone. Especially when you consider the Canucks will be playing the Oilers a lot of games... and that is one big, fast, nasty team... it will be tough. Plus we don't have a Vezina quality netminder anymore... Miller kept a ton of games respectable last year... when by any normal measurement they should have been blowouts. Markstrom will prove he is a #1 goaltender, but there is a big difference between a goalie who is a decent #1 and a goalie who is bona fide Vezina quality... and Markstrom will not win the Vezina anytime soon. The good news is the Canucks will be putting a lot more pucks in the net... more exciting for the fans at least. But if the Canucks are to succeed and make the playoffs, they will need to emphasize discipline from the forwards and guys like Horvat will really need to grow into his predicted role as a Selke candidate. Yeah, that's fine. This will be a rough year for the Vancouver Canucks. They are likely going to lose a lot of games and get blown out in quite a few of them. But that is okay so long as the young players score more goals. It is okay so long as the defencemen get involved more. It is okay so long as the Canucks show hints of being an exciting team again. It is okay so long as the Canucks don't get shafted in the draft lottery again. Very few people think the Canucks have a shot of making the playoffs. If the Canucks are to make the playoffs, they would have to do more than just succeed. They would have to play out of their minds and somehow steal a wildcard spot. Everything would have to click perfectly and everyone have career years. And of course... no injuries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drive-By Body Pierce Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 3 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Yes, you can say I am just crying in my beer about Tryamkin getting away.... and you'd be right. Despite the fact Gudbranson is healthy, the Canucks are looking a little shaky on Team defense. Del Zotto was not brought in for his shutdown abilities. Hutton is not the best player in his own end. Biega is too small to control some of the big fast forwards in the league. Edler is a steady defenseman, but he is one year older and one year slower. Stecher is a heck of defenseman considering his size... but you have to consider his size. Can Pouliot step up and become a defensive revelation...? Unlikely. Yes, Chris Tanev is in his prime and remains a big plus... but he is not dominant by any means... and he is injury prone. Especially when you consider the Canucks will be playing the Oilers a lot of games... and that is one big, fast, nasty team... it will be tough. Plus we don't have a Vezina quality netminder anymore... Miller kept a ton of games respectable last year... when by any normal measurement they should have been blowouts. Markstrom will prove he is a #1 goaltender, but there is a big difference between a goalie who is a decent #1 and a goalie who is bona fide Vezina quality... and Markstrom will not win the Vezina anytime soon. The good news is the Canucks will be putting a lot more pucks in the net... more exciting for the fans at least. But if the Canucks are to succeed and make the playoffs, they will need to emphasize discipline from the forwards and guys like Horvat will really need to grow into his predicted role as a Selke candidate. While this all may be true when assessing players on an individual basis, I feel as though Travis Green's desired system of play could be a big factor if the team can all buy-in on it. He likes/requires his defensemen to be able to play with, and move the puck effectively. If the defence, while being supported by the forwards, can play an effective puck possession game, I believe it will take a huge weight off the shoulders of the team to play the shutdown style of game. Its tough for other teams to score if they don't have the puck! ...just my humble opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrJockitch Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Well, we should score more, not convinced we are going to win a lot more though, ergo D is likely to suffer. Looks like will be more entertaining style with skating and forecheck stressed, activating the D. If our goaltending falters though could be a rough year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I'm looking forward to a season of compete and a high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PlanB Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I wouldn't underestimate Green's ability to implement a system that incorporates team defense. In Utica he had his teams playing very effectively in all zones and never once coached with an overabundance of what one would consider 'talent' on the roster. JB has mentioned many times in the past he wants up-tempo, relentless pursuing hockey - we'll see if Green fully implements this style and if it leads to improved team defense or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 6 hours ago, *Buzzsaw* said: Yes, you can say I am just crying in my beer about Tryamkin getting away.... and you'd be right. - Get over it, he's gone. Despite the fact Gudbranson is healthy, the Canucks are looking a little shaky on Team defense. - We will see, I think Gud will be better. Del Zotto was not brought in for his shutdown abilities. -Our power play was anemic so any improvement is welcome. Hutton is not the best player in his own end. -Uh, have you seen Subban during pre-season? It's called a sophomore jinx for a reason. Biega is too small to control some of the big fast forwards in the league. -That I didn't understand. Effort is fine, but I think pushing it as a regular NHL'er. Edler is a steady defenseman, but he is one year older and one year slower. -Won't pass to Boeser, and coughs up the puck way too much. Stecher is a heck of defenseman considering his size... but you have to consider his size. -Yet he was arguably the teams best d-man. Can Pouliot step up and become a defensive revelation...? Unlikely. - We don't know Green has done wonders with Virtanen. Yes, Chris Tanev is in his prime and remains a big plus... but he is not dominant by any means... and he is injury prone. - Fair point. Especially when you consider the Canucks will be playing the Oilers a lot of games... and that is one big, fast, nasty team... it will be tough. Plus we don't have a Vezina quality netminder anymore... Miller kept a ton of games respectable last year... when by any normal measurement they should have been blowouts. Markstrom will prove he is a #1 goaltender, but there is a big difference between a goalie who is a decent #1 and a goalie who is bona fide Vezina quality... and Markstrom will not win the Vezina anytime soon. The good news is the Canucks will be putting a lot more pucks in the net... more exciting for the fans at least. But if the Canucks are to succeed and make the playoffs, they will need to emphasize discipline from the forwards and guys like Horvat will really need to grow into his predicted role as a Selke candidate. There's question marks, but WAY too early to judge the defence or the goaltending before the first puck drops. We no longer have Larsen, so that already is a huge plus. We have Chatfield, McEneny, as better reserves on the farm. During preseason as our roster solidified the team worked as a unit better. Green is getting the team to forecheck better. I'm not saying we're going to the playoffs, but I think we'll see improvement. Teams with new coaches usually do. If there's any real question marks is the Twins. They need to find new ways of doing things. The cycle game they play is too predictable. If it takes them to get split up to get back to basics, so be it. I'm not worried, I think we're in good hands with Green. At least the team should be more entertaining. I wouldn't plan the parade. But it won't be as painful. And we will see work ethic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glug Datt Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I'm not going to hold my breath for a banner year from anyone, let alone the team, but it looks like maybe the sun is slowly rising on a new era. I feel like I've lowered my expectations enough... win or lose I'm happy to watch the kids.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raymond Luxury Yacht Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 It's likely true that defense will be our weakest link. We do have some new forwards with some defensive capabilities though, and perhaps some more scoring. I'm looking for improvement and increased grit....and a decent pick when all is said and done....but I wouldn't complain about one of the last few playoff spots if we get some decent chemistry. Wishful thinking on Oct 4th, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 We only scored 191 goals in 2015-16. Last year, we dropped to a measly 182. So, how that's a defense problem is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 maybe. thats pretty much my contribution. we don't know. if this D group can actually effectively transition the puck this year then that can change things dramatically. If not then we will watch Tanev get pummelled in our end all year again and a lot of D looking skyward as pucks go in. Del Z is no Tryamkin but he's also a far superior puck mover to old Nik. Pouliott? who knows? maybe he's our Shultz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickels Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I think our defense will be fine this year...have some good depth, and can always go pluck someone from Vegas. Sure Luca's available. I really hope I'm wrong.... but I think 15-20 games in, our goaltending will be what everyone is talking about. The fact that they both played well in their last exhibition showing is encouraging......but just don't see either nearing the game in game out consistency that Miller brought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 27 minutes ago, Heretic said: We only scored 191 goals in 2015-16. Last year, we dropped to a measly 182. So, how that's a defense problem is beyond me. Our D needs to get it out of our own zone and up to the forwards, to start. Not sure exactly how bad, but our D was one of the worst in teams of offensive output too. Feels like it anyways. Buy yes, we need a lot more goals from everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 6 minutes ago, luckylager said: Our D needs to get it out of our own zone and up to the forwards, to start. Not sure exactly how bad, but our D was one of the worst in teams of offensive output too. Feels like it anyways. Buy yes, we need a lot more goals from everyone. We were the 2nd lowest scoring team last year, but we weren't the 2nd worst in goals against - we were 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 16 minutes ago, Heretic said: We were the 2nd lowest scoring team last year, but we weren't the 2nd worst in goals against - we were 7th. This with your other post were bang on. Poor offense always puts pressure on the defense. I doubt that changes a lot this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 My concern is goaltending Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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