Canadian Bill C-23

[luckylager]

2 minutes ago, Shift-4 said:

But it's Tom Cruise. He will do boring with style and a perfect smile!

If Tom plays a super-fit, ultra-motivated, hippy pot grower, who drinks LSD like coffee...

And is on a one man mission to protect his rainbow commune from the immpending raids.

Then is chased all over the globe after taking out 12 DEA agents with his bare hands and a bag of kale.

 

Maybe

[Shift-4]

5 minutes ago, luckylager said:

If Tom plays a super-fit, ultra-motivated, hippy pot grower, who drinks LSD like coffee...

And is on a one man mission to protect his rainbow commune from the immpending raids.

Then is chased all over the globe after taking out 12 DEA agents with his bare hands and a bag of kale.

 

Maybe

Just add some battling with the fish farm mafia and we are set!

[luckylager]

8 minutes ago, Shift-4 said:

Just add some battling with the fish farm mafia and we are set!

I'm derailing, and will stop after this -

 

The movie is called "Superstrain". Tom is a crazy old bush botanist and has developed a strain that cures every disease and ailment known to man.

Big Pharma has found out.

They want the strain

And they want Tom dead.

[higgyfan]

31 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

U.S. border guards would get new powers to question, search and even detain Canadian citizens on Canadian soil under a bill proposed by the Liberal government.

The bill would enshrine in law a reciprocal agreement for customs and immigration pre-clearance signed by the governments of Stephen Harper and Barack Obama in 2015. Both houses of Congress passed the U.S. version of the bill in December.

 

 

[Ronaldoescobar]

This will pass no problem because they will use the prior agreements and argue that Canadian officers will have the same power in the US. Problem is there is absolutely no chance the US allows Canadian officers (even if there were any which there arent) any authority on their soil agreement or not. 

[Ryan Strome]

37 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

The bill would enshrine in law a reciprocal agreement for customs and immigration pre-clearance signed by the governments of Stephen Harper and Barack Obama in 2015. Both houses of Congress passed the U.S. version of the bill in December.

 

 

You see the signed part? Trudeau making it law.

 

 

[higgyfan]

2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

You see the "reciprocal" part in your own post?

It's a direct quote from the article.

[Ryan Strome]

4 minutes ago, higgyfan said:

It's a direct quote from the article.

Yup but what does the article say? Bill proposed by liberals. You can be a liberal or JT fan all you want this is all on them. Trudeau is essentially handing Canadian sovereignty over to the Americans.

[Ryan Strome]

43 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said:

This will pass no problem because they will use the prior agreements and argue that Canadian officers will have the same power in the US. Problem is there is absolutely no chance the US allows Canadian officers (even if there were any which there arent) any authority on their soil agreement or not. 

Of course it will pass the liberals have a majority. Our only hope is the dysfunctional senate stops this.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Yup but what does the article say? Bill proposed by liberals. You can be a liberal or JT fan all you want this is all on them. Trudeau is essentially handing Canadian sovereignty over to the Americans.

Is not our sovereignty (and other nations too) somewhat challenge already by international policing (INTERPOL)?

[higgyfan]

3 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Yup but what does the article say? Bill proposed by liberals. You can be a liberal or JT fan all you want this all on them. Trudeau is essentially handing Canadian sovereignty over to the Americans.

You actually think the Conservatives had no intention of reciprocating the agreement?  They started the process in 2015 and it is highly unlikely that they had no intention of completing it.

 

The only political party that has objected to this bill is the NDP.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, higgyfan said:

You actually think the Conservatives had no intention of reciprocating the agreement?  They started the process in 2015 and it is highly unlikely that they had no intention of completing it.

 

The only political party that has objected to this bill is the NDP.

Ya I hate the ndp but I do appreciate their stance on not selling out Canada to the U.S.

 

As for the other stuff you said thats pure speculation. This is a liberal proposed bill that's what we do know.

[Ryan Strome]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Is not our sovereignty (and other nations too) somewhat challenge already by international policing (INTERPOL)?

Alf a U.S law official will now be allowed to detain a Canadian on Canadian soil.

[Alflives]

5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Alf a U.S law official will now be allowed to detain a Canadian on Canadian soil.

 Would that officer be allowed to extradite the Canadian back to the US, or will he be required to bring the Canadian to a local policing station?

[SabreFan1]

14 hours ago, luckylager said:

The DEA has been raiding grows in Canada for a long time. The RCMP never cared.

 

They'd land their black choppers on little farms, located on tiny islands, burn the crops, trash the farm houses, pull guns on little hippy kids and abduct their fathers.

 

There's a long history of the Canadian Government lacking balls when it comes to keeping the wolves out. Nothing's changed.

 

3 hours ago, luckylager said:

These raids were common knowledge on Vancouver Island through the 90's. A friend of mine grew up on Lasqueti, his Dad was thrown in a US prison.

I witnessed the choppers while hiking the Kludak / San Juan Ridge Trail in 2001. Neither the Coast Guard or RCMP use black choppers.

 

The story goes that these Gulf Island hippies, on Lasqueti and Texada Islands were smuggling weed into Washington State. Which apparently gave the DEA juristiction. Their area of interest expanded to the entire south Island / Gulf Islands.

 

I bet you could find proof or reports of the Lasqueti / Texada raids in the Comox Valley News, summers of 1995 to probably 98.

 

I remember an article in the Times Colonist, early 2000's, about the "joint" chopper patrols on Southern Vancouver Island, which was reported as a RCMP and DEA cooperative effort.

It's amazing to me that Canada let(s) that happen.  I'd think that the US would blow a fuse if the RCMP went into Seattle and started arresting people.

[SabreFan1]

37 minutes ago, Alflives said:

 Would that officer be allowed to extradite the Canadian back to the US, or will he be required to bring the Canadian to a local policing station?

Here's the bill in its entirety (separate link on the page) and what your elected representatives had to say and which way they voted.

 

https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-23/

[SabreFan1]

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Yup but what does the article say? Bill proposed by liberals. You can be a liberal or JT fan all you want this is all on them. Trudeau is essentially handing Canadian sovereignty over to the Americans.

 

2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said:

Yup but what does the article say? Bill proposed by liberals. You can be a liberal or JT fan all you want this is all on them. Trudeau is essentially handing Canadian sovereignty over to the Americans.

Both the conservatives and liberals have blood on their hands with this bill.  The liberals are going to be bloodier just by virtue of it passing under their watch.  If Harper and the conservatives were still in power, it would mostly be on them.

 

Hopefully your senate lets this bill die, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

Here's the bill in its entirety and what your elected representatives had to say and which way they voted.

 

https://openparliament.ca/bills/42-1/C-23/

So there's no power beyond regular policing on the other side of the border for officers beyond arrest.  Considering the crazies now in our world, maybe it's a good thing for officers to pursue, interrogate, and arrest a criminal on the other side of the border, rather than that criminal getting lost in some sort of 'talk'?  Maybe we should be working together as nations to make life as miserable as possible for criminals?   

[SabreFan1]

6 minutes ago, Alflives said:

So there's no power beyond regular policing on the other side of the border for officers beyond arrest.  Considering the crazies now in our world, maybe it's a good thing for officers to pursue, interrogate, and arrest a criminal on the other side of the border, rather than that criminal getting lost in some sort of 'talk'?  Maybe we should be working together as nations to make life as miserable as possible for criminals?   

That's not the biggest issue.  If you give up a little of your sovereignty now to the US, it will be that much easier for your politicians to do the next time that the US comes knocking on your door.  Like I said earlier, if you let Homeland Security have a foot in the door, they will try to get the rest of their body through over time. 

 

If you cede some of your sovereignty and liberty to a foreign country, you're taking baby steps towards becoming a defacto territory.  Right now that's very much an overstatement, but 30 years down the line and a couple of terrorist attacks later and these type of laws could become commonplace.

[Alflives]

4 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

That's not the biggest issue.  If you give up a little of your sovereignty now to the US, it will be that much easier for your politicians to do the next time that the US comes knocking on your door.  Like I said earlier, if you let Homeland Security have a foot in the door, they will try to get the rest of their body through over time. 

 

If you cede some of your sovereignty and liberty to a foreign country, you're taking baby steps towards becoming a defacto territory.  Right now that's very much an overstatement, but 30 years down the line and a couple of terrorist attacks later and these type of laws could become commonplace.

Is making life miserable for criminals a bad thing?  We talk a lot about freedoms of the innocent, law abiding citizen, but forget that criminals use these freedoms to promote their agenda too.  We are not (IMHAO) moving to a world where Big Brother is on our doorstep.  We are making a world that is safer for the law abiding citizens, and one where the criminals are the ones running scared.  Maybe it's an American thing to lack trust in your elected officials to do what's right?