SabreFan1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just now, Rounoush said: I agree he has some failings in the video and areas I disagree with. I bet if I looked the guy up, we wouldn't even align in our world views either. But I think the spirit of his argument is true and pretty thoroughly researched. I consider it a good jumping off point for normies to get introduced into the world of who really runs the world. He is repeating things that he has read on the internet. I knew that for sure just as soon as he mentioned the 16th amendment towards the beginning of the video. Whether people like it or not, it was properly ratified by 3/4 of the states and no silly book written in the 1980's with suspect arguments can change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, Rounoush said: BTW, putting too much stock in the video is a total judgment call. I used it to back up the argument that Lincoln was no friend of the global banking elite. You pointed out that he had the backing of the federal banks in America but he did not have the backing of the banks in Europe who held all of the power at the time. It wasn't until after WWII that the US dollar became the currency that the global banking community began backing. The European bankers at the time backed the monarchies and the monarchies preferred that the Confederates won the war, but neither they nor the global bankers gave anywhere near enough aid to let that happen. Whereas in the US, the northern bankers and businesses who wanted to get away from the influences of countries like Britain, they gladly gave Lincoln and the federal government the funds and supplies that it needed. Lincoln creating the greenback wasn't nearly enough of a reason to assassinate him. The Northern power brokers stood to benefit more than ever after the war was over. The decades after were spent setting up the beginnings of the current system that we have now. The Greenback could have been eliminated after Lincoln finished serving the rest of his second term. It's very unlikely that he would have run for a third. He was pretty tired by the end of the war and most presidents until FDR unofficially followed Washington's example and kept their terms at 2. I have no doubt Lincoln would have done the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rounoush Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: The European bankers at the time backed the monarchies and the monarchies preferred that the Confederates won the war, but neither they nor the global bankers gave anywhere near enough aid to let that happen. Whereas in the US, the northern bankers and businesses who wanted to get away from the influences of countries like Britain, they gladly gave Lincoln and the federal government the funds and supplies that it needed. Lincoln creating the greenback wasn't nearly enough of a reason to assassinate him. The Northern power brokers stood to benefit more than ever after the war was over. The decades after were spent setting up the beginnings of the current system that we have now. The Greenback could have been eliminated after Lincoln finished serving the rest of his second term. It's very unlikely that he would have run for a third. He was pretty tired by the end of the war and most presidents until FDR unofficially followed Washington's example and kept their terms at 2. I have no doubt Lincoln would have done the same. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 There's not enough evidence to support it, but look at it from a motive/means/opportunity approach. - Can't be mob only, because they don't have pull to control Secret Service, FBI, Police in regards to protection. - Can't be Cuba alone for same reasons. - The CIA had their director fired, and strangely enough he becomes one of the commissioners on the Warren Report? - The CIA was threatened by Kennedy to be "smashed into a million pieces...". - The CIA are spies, they can say to the secret service. Oh the FBI and Police got it covered. And say the same thing to the police and FBI. - The CIA can find a perfect patsy, plant evidence, threaten Hoover with exposing his fashion choices, and dates with young men. CIA might have been working with others, but someone in the inside has to be able to exert pressure to get Kennedy's body out of Dallas and examined by an unqualified Navy Doctor who was more of a teacher, than a pathologist. As a result the autopsy got botched. And the Warren Report said what they wanted it to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 There had to have been a second spitter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Just read the National Post article on the release of the documents. What a total whitewash and a totally untrue character assassination of Oswald. The coverup still continues to this day as the people responsible for the coup on JFK are still in power and continue to make a mockery of American democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 2017-10-21 at 7:36 PM, Rounoush said: You can throw in Hitler and a few other places like Cuba who have fought the law and the law won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 On 10/21/2017 at 8:35 PM, SabreFan1 said: I believe it was the mob mostly involved in RFK's killing by Jack Ruby however. Wait, what? Jack Ruby had no involvement with Bobby''s death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 They’ve only had 54 years to doctor up or completely get rid of any documents that they don’t want out in the event society gets pissed off. Hoover’s memoirs are supposively neat, with the account of 2-cia agents coming into his office the day after the assassination... their names were Bush and Nixon. A neat alternative theory is JFK-The Bush connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Lionized27 said: Wait, what? Jack Ruby had no involvement with Bobby''s death. Whoops. Sirhan. My brain got stuck on the JFK part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 On October 21, 2017 at 10:35 PM, SabreFan1 said: I've never thought it was the mob who killed JFK. If there was a true JFK conspiracy, I've always figured LBJ played a big role in it. I believe it was the mob mostly involved in RFK's killing by Jack Ruby however. I am not so sure about the mob part. Living in Chicago area for the last few decades, level of corruption is astonishing. I mean it goes from top to bottom, from getting contracts for the city, drivers licenses, casino licenses, unions, political ties etc. At one point, we had former and current governor both in prison, Ryan and Blagojevich. It is not just Chicago, but other towns like Cicero, Stone Park, Rosemont, Harvey etc. I find it hard to believe considering how close Giancana was with JFK, that somewhere down the line he did not use a favor from the outfit. Momo and JFK were both close to Sinatra and shared lot of other friends. Once these guys do you a favor, you are in their debt forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: I am not so sure about the mob part. Living in Chicago area for the last few decades, level of corruption is astonishing. I mean it goes from top to bottom, from getting contracts for the city, drivers licenses, casino licenses, unions, political ties etc. At one point, we had former and current governor both in prison, Ryan and Blagojevich. It is not just Chicago, but other towns like Cicero, Stone Park, Rosemont, Harvey etc. I find it hard to believe considering how close Giancana was with JFK, that somewhere down the line he did not use a favor from the outfit. Momo and JFK were both close to Sinatra and shared lot of other friends. Once these guys do you a favor, you are in their debt forever. Didn't Jack Ruby have ties to the Mob? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 25 minutes ago, Alflives said: Didn't Jack Ruby have ties to the Mob? Grew up on Maxwell street, delinquent during his early years, involved with gambling, strip clubs etc. Most likely crossed paths with Chicago mob back in the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, CBH1926 said: I am not so sure about the mob part. Living in Chicago area for the last few decades, level of corruption is astonishing. I mean it goes from top to bottom, from getting contracts for the city, drivers licenses, casino licenses, unions, political ties etc. At one point, we had former and current governor both in prison, Ryan and Blagojevich. It is not just Chicago, but other towns like Cicero, Stone Park, Rosemont, Harvey etc. I find it hard to believe considering how close Giancana was with JFK, that somewhere down the line he did not use a favor from the outfit. Momo and JFK were both close to Sinatra and shared lot of other friends. Once these guys do you a favor, you are in their debt forever. Not sure if the mob was involved in Robert Kennedy's assassination? I don't think they had anything to do with JFK. I think there's a possibility they were involved in Robert's killing. Who knows though. The 60's were an odd time in US history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Didn't Jack Ruby have ties to the Mob? 1 hour ago, CBH1926 said: Grew up on Maxwell street, delinquent during his early years, involved with gambling, strip clubs etc. Most likely crossed paths with Chicago mob back in the day. Ruby killed Oswald. Sirhan Sirhan killed Robert Kennedy supposedly over his views on the Middle East. That whole situation is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted October 26, 2017 Share Posted October 26, 2017 Trump is allowing a six month delay on most of the rest of the documents while government agencies redact the hell out of them. It gives that clown 6 extra months to cave to pressure. Funny enough, according to an article this morning, the CIA was pretty much the only agency almost ready to sign off on a release. I guess a quarter of a century wasn't long enough for the rest of the 3 letter agencies to be prepared. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/jfk-assassination-files/release-jfk-assassination-file-delayed-deadline-looms-n814691 *edit* NBC edited their story: Quote In the end, the president allowed the release of 2,891 of at least 3,140 documents, with the rest subject to a 180-day review of redactions from objecting agencies. The White House said later that the remaining records would be released "on a rolling basis in the coming weeks." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 This one is interesting. Is Miguel Cruz Ted’s father? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey Spector Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 KGB claims to have evidence that LBJ was responsible for assassination of JFK... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 27, 2017 Share Posted October 27, 2017 Well looks like @SabreFan1 was right the most important stuff was held back on the advice of the FBI and CIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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