JFK Files: Never Seen by Public Files to Be Released

[SabreFan1]

51 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Well looks like @SabreFan1 was right the most important stuff was held back on the advice of the FBI and CIA.

They're redacting the crap out of what's left.

[SabreFan1]

6 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

 

That's not what that memo says....

[Dral]

On 10/21/2017 at 7:36 PM, Rounoush said:

 

 

 

 

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• Both presidents were elected to the House of Representatives in '46.
• Both were losing candidates for their party's vice-presidential nomination in '56.
• Both presidents were elected to the presidency in '60, after a series of debates with their opponent.
• Both died after being shot by a gun
• Lincoln defeated incumbent Vice President John C. Breckinridge for the presidency in 1860; Kennedy defeated incumbent Vice President Richard M. Nixon for the presidency in 1960.
• Both their predecessors were the last presidents to be born in their respective centuries.
• Both their predecessors left office in their seventies and retired to Pennsylvania. James Buchanan, whom Lincoln succeeded, retired to Lancaster Township; Dwight D. Eisenhower, whom Kennedy succeeded, retired to Gettysburg. They both then died before the end of the decade.
• Both their Vice Presidents and successors were Southern Democrats named Johnson (Andrew Johnson and Lyndon B. Johnson) who were born in '08.
• Both presidents were concerned with issues affecting African Americans and made their views strongly known in '63. Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation in 1862, which took effect in 1863. In 1963, Kennedy presented his reports to Congress on issues related to the Civil Rights Movement, and in June of that year delivered his Civil Rights Address on radio and television in which he proposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
• Both presidents, and their successors, conferred with a nationally known black leader about civil rights. Both Lincoln and Andrew Johnson conferred with Frederick Douglass. Both Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson conferred with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr..
• Both presidents were known for their wit and eloquence, and both frequently quoted Shakespeare and the Bible in their speeches.
• Both presidents had been captains of ships in their private lives: Lincoln on a river boat, and Kennedy on PT-109.
• Each president suffered from a genetic disease. Lincoln had Marfan's syndrome. Kennedy had Addison's disease.
• Both presidents were shot in the head on a Friday seated beside their wives. Both Fridays preceded a major holiday observed within the week.
• During the assassination, they were sitting in an alphabetical pattern. Their spouses first name and both president's last name. J,K,L,M- Jackie, Kennedy, Lincoln, Mary. Jackie was seated to the left of Kennedy and Mary to the right of Lincoln.
• Both presidents were accompanied by another couple.
• The male companion of the other couple was wounded by the assassin.
• Both presidents fathered four children, and had a son die during his presidency.
• Both presidents had only one child survive into the next century. That child served another president by political appointment.
• Both presidents' wives died in their sixties after an untimely decline in health, during the administration of a president who had seen their husbands in Washington, D.C. the same year as the assassination (Mary Todd Lincoln died during the presidency of Chester A. Arthur. Arthur had attended President Lincoln's 1865 inauguration. Jacqueline Kennedy died during the presidency of Bill Clinton. Clinton met President Kennedy in 1963 during a Boys State summer program).
• Lincoln was shot by John Wilkes Booth at Ford's Theatre; Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald in a Lincoln automobile, made by Ford.
• Both presidents' last names have 7 letters.
• Both assassins' full names have 15 letters.
• Each assassin committed his crime in the building where he was employed.
• Both presidents were purportedly smiling immediately before the assassination began.
• After shooting Lincoln, Booth ran from a theatre to a warehouse; after shooting Kennedy, Oswald ran from a warehouse to a theatre.
• Both assassins died in the same month as their victim in a state adjacent to the state of their birth.
• Both assassins were Southern white males born in the late '30s, who were in their mid-20s, and were 5'8" in height with hazel eyes and brown hair.
• Both assassins were sympathetic to a government that opposed the United States, and both had once resided within that government's borders.
• Both assassins were killed before being tried, by men who were reared in the North, changed their name as adults, and were bachelors.
• Both assassins suffered injuries during escape.
• Both assassins fled using modes of transportation they did not own. Booth rented a horse, Oswald rode a bus.
• Both had body guards named William, William H. Crook told Lincoln not to go to the assassination point, William Greer drove JFK to the assassination point.
• Both body guards named William died within 48 hours of being aged 75 years, 5 months.
• Presidential security was heavily criticized, after each assassination, for being too lax.
• Lincoln sat in box number 7 at Ford's Theater; Kennedy sat in car number 7 in the motorcade.
• The doctors who primarily attended to each president were both named Charles. Dr. Charles Leale treated Lincoln. Dr. Charles Crenshaw treated Kennedy.
• Each president died in a place with the initials "P.H." Lincoln died at the Petersen House and Kennedy died at Parkland Hospital.
• Kennedy was the second president in U.S. history who issued interest-free money. The first was Lincoln, who issued greenbacks to finance the war between the states in the American Civil War.
• Both were male.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln–Kennedy_coincidences_urban_legend

 

 

nothing about the Federal Reserve tho....

[Harvey Spector]

 

So Bush Sr.’s name will be redacted on all the juicy stuff...

[SabreFan1]

18 minutes ago, Harvey Spector said:

I'll believe it when I see it.  They're going to have to re-release already released documents that currently have a whole lot of redactions.

[Down by the River]

This is just a distraction for the fact that the FBI's report on crime (released last week) included 70% fewer data tables than the year previous.

 

JFK docs are an attempt at trying to seem more transparent than previous administrations while simultaneously hiding information that actually affects Americans currently. 

[Canucks-12]

Why does any of this even matter at this point? 

 

 

[SabreFan1]

1 hour ago, Down by the River said:

This is just a distraction for the fact that the FBI's report on crime (released last week) included 70% fewer data tables than the year previous.

 

JFK docs are an attempt at trying to seem more transparent than previous administrations while simultaneously hiding information that actually affects Americans currently. 

The deadline was set 25 years ago. 

The release was scheduled for this year long ago.

 

I'll bet the FBI isn't the only entity who snuck something by knowing it was coming up.  I'll bet other government agencies and even regular companies and corporations did shady stuff and released bad news as well in the hopes that the JFK and Trump/Russia issues us would dominate the news cycle.

[SabreFan1]

1 hour ago, Canucks-12 said:

Why does any of this even matter at this point?

It's a matter of history.  Some of us in society choose not to be willfully ignorant no matter how much time has passed.

[nickels]

On 10/27/2017 at 5:53 AM, Dral said:

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln–Kennedy_coincidences_urban_legend

 

 

nothing about the Federal Reserve tho....

Only 2 presidents to try to take the issuance of the US currency out of the hands of the Rothschild  controlled central bank.

 

Forget any conspiracy theory...if you want to know why Kennedy was shot...research executive order 11110.

One of LBJs first acts as president was to reverse...

 

Lincoln tried to issue US controlled  "Greenbacks".....the criminal banksters would have none of it.

 

 

[Down by the River]

42 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said:

The deadline was set 25 years ago. 

The release was scheduled for this year long ago.

 

I'll bet the FBI isn't the only entity who snuck something by knowing it was coming up.  I'll bet other government agencies and even regular companies and corporations did shady stuff and released bad news as well in the hopes that the JFK and Trump/Russia issues us would dominate the news cycle.

And?

[SabreFan1]

Just now, Down by the River said:

And?

You said the release was "just a distraction".  I'm saying it is what it always has been for the last quarter century. 

 

If anything it's being used by the FBI and others to bury any potential story on them.

 

Go back to the recent hurricanes and you'll find that companies used those to bury their bad news.  It's a tactic used that's as old as PR.

[Down by the River]

1 minute ago, SabreFan1 said:

You said the release was "just a distraction".  I'm saying it is what it always has been for the last quarter century. 

 

If anything it's being used by the FBI and others to bury any potential story on them.

 

Go back to the recent hurricanes and you'll find that companies used those to bury their bad news.  It's a tactic used that's as old as PR.

Ahhh, gotcha. I didn't read where it said it had to be released by "this thursday", I thought that they could have released it at any point in 2017 and chose this specific week to do so, my bad.

[SabreFan1]

Just now, Down by the River said:

Ahhh, gotcha. I didn't read where it said it had to be released by "this thursday", I thought that they could have released it at any point in 2017 and chose this specific week to do so, my bad.

25 years to the day of the passage of the bill.

[SabreFan1]

53 minutes ago, nickels said:

Only 2 presidents to try to take the issuance of the US currency out of the hands of the Rothschild  controlled central bank.

 

Forget any conspiracy theory...if you want to know why Kennedy was shot...research executive order 11110.

One of LBJs first acts as president was to reverse...

 

Lincoln tried to issue US controlled  "Greenbacks".....the criminal banksters would have none of it.

 

 

Hate to burst your bubble but JFK tried to strengthen the federal reserve, not weaken it....

http://www.thinkadvisor.com/2010/02/01/the-fed-and-its-enemies?slreturn=1509225863

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Perhaps the wildest accusation against the Fed is that it was involved in Kennedy's assassination. This idea was promoted by a 1989 book Crossfire: The Conspiracy That Killed Kennedy, by a writer named Jim Marrs, who also has written about conspiracies involving Freemasons, psychics and extraterrestrials. Crossfire was an influence on Oliver Stone's film JFK.

 

The alleged Fed conspiracy has to do with Executive Order 11,110, which was signed by Kennedy on June 4, 1963. It delegates to the Treasury secretary the president's authority to issue silver certificates, paper dollars that were redeemable in silver coins or bullion. Marrs presented this as an effort by Kennedy to replace Federal Reserve notes with silver certificates, thus transferring power from the Fed to the Treasury -- and providing a possible motive for the president's assassination less than half a year later.

 

However, the executive order was just a technicality. It did not expand the issuance of silver certificates -- which actually were being phased out, since rising silver prices had raised concerns that redemptions would drain the Treasury's silver supply. Indeed, Kennedy also signed a bill giving the Fed authority to issue small-denomination notes to replace the silver certificates, something hard to explain if he were trying to reduce the Fed's involvement with the money supply.

 

Someone tell Oliver Stone.

 

As for the Lincoln greenbacks, I addressed that earlier in the thread.  That had little to do with 1860's U.S. bankers.

 

[Harvey Spector]

 

[Harvey Spector]

 

[Ghostsof1915]

8 hours ago, Down by the River said:

And?

There's no statute of limitations on murder. 

Bottom line if the one of the most powerful individuals can get bumped off, who's really safe? 

Worse yet, if a person tries to make positive changes and gets whacked because of it, who's really in charge?

[Ghostsof1915]

2 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

 

To have an ego that big that you take responsibility for everything, that's got to be a a sign of psychological disorder. 

[Gurn]

4 hours ago, Harvey Spector said:

 

Sorry Patricia, but you are wrong. The memo says a guy claims the Klan has documented proof of LBJ being a member of the Klan. It does not prove LBJ was in the Klan.