kingofsurrey Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: LNG. Site C soon. Tunnel replacement. They want to shut down Kinder Morgan and the new marine safety centre that would come with it. Lots of great apprentice jobs there for our kids wouldn't you say? LNG was not killed by NDP - it was never economically feasible. It was a scam to sway BC voters. Site C is not killed Tunnel replacement is not killed . BC has never been in better shape than now with a government in place that is working for BC citizens instead of offshore investors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: LNG was not killed by NDP - it was never economically feasible. It was a scam to sway BC voters. Site C is not killed Tunnel replacement is not killed . BC has never been in better shape than now with a government in place that is working for BC citizens instead of offshore investors. and that 2 billion dollar surplus they were left with. There's been a lot of media since the decision saying Petronas was not happy with the NDP/Green and that tipped the decision. We'll see what Horgan does, he has all kinds of jobs waiting, my bet is the No Don't Party will be happy to kill them off once and for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 4 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: Maybe the NDP should stop killing projects that need apprentices then? Not when that project doesn't make sense and costs everyone else money. We already got screwed by the Libs on the IPP run of river bull$&!#. The Site C dam is a terrible idea and waste of money as the evidence in the inquiry has confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, Gnarcore said: Not when that project doesn't make sense and costs everyone else money. We already got screwed by the Libs on the IPP run of river bull$&!#. The Site C dam is a terrible idea and waste of money as the evidence in the inquiry has confirmed. I am sure certain people stand to profit quite nicely from site c. Unfortunately it will not be the BC taxpayer. I am glad to see projects now being given the green light only after careful study. BC taxpayers deserve responsible government that bases its project decisions on science and study.. not based on who you know / are connected to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Gnarcore said: Not when that project doesn't make sense and costs everyone else money. We already got screwed by the Libs on the IPP run of river bull$&!#. The Site C dam is a terrible idea and waste of money as the evidence in the inquiry has confirmed. no thats not correct. This is the actual summary statement. Suspension is a disaster. Completion has a similar benefit to the cost of alternative energy schemes. Summary We have not been asked to make recommendations or to identify which option has the highest cost to ratepayers or more significant implications than others. Nevertheless, we have provided our view that not only is the suspension scenario the greatest cost to ratepayers of the three scenarios, it also has other negative implications. We take no position on which of the termination or completion scenarios has the greatest cost to ratepayers. The Illustrative Alternative Portfolio we have analyzed, in the low-load forecast case, has a similar cost to ratepayers as Site C. If Site C finishes further over budget, it will tend to be more costly than the Illustrative Alternative Portfolio is for ratepayers. If a higher load forecast materializes, the cost to ratepayers for Site C will be less than the Illustrative Alternative Portfolio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 7 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I am sure certain people stand to profit quite nicely from site c. Unfortunately it will not be the BC taxpayer. I am glad to see projects now being given the green light only after careful study. BC taxpayers deserve responsible government that bases its project decisions on science and study.. not based on who you know / are connected to. Thats just not the case. Read the actual report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Thats just not the case. Read the actual report. This project like most supported by the BC liberal party were approved without proper research / study. BC liberals approved projects based on getting votes. Even if the projects made zero economic sense and would cost taxpayers dearly. I am glad to see these days over. BC needed a change. Our youth deserve so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 Just now, kingofsurrey said: This project like most supported by the BC liberal party were approved without proper research / study. BC liberals approved projects based on getting votes. Even if the projects made zero economic sense and would cost taxpayers dearly. I am glad to see these days over. BC needed a change. Our youth deserve so much better. huh? read the BC Utilities Commission report. Its very likely that we find ourselves in a scenario where we need more power in BC, and if Trump screws us on the Columbia River treaty we will be in big trouble. I get that your hate for Clark still burns bright but if you read the report yourself, not what the the Tyee tells you to think, you'll see that there are scenarios where it makes sense to move ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: huh? read the BC Utilities Commission report. Its very likely that we find ourselves in a scenario where we need more power in BC, and if Trump screws us on the Columbia River treaty we will be in big trouble. I get that your hate for Clark still burns bright but if you read the report yourself, not what the the Tyee tells you to think, you'll see that there are scenarios where it makes sense to move ahead. You can believe what you want. Basically the BC liberal government has screwed the BC tax payer by approving a project that will never make economic sense for our province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 15 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: You can believe what you want. Basically the BC liberal government has screwed the BC tax payer by approving a project that will never make economic sense for our province. I like you. The NDP-stacked utilities commission says the project is viable under certain conditions and you say this. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 13 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I like you. The NDP-stacked utilities commission says the project is viable under certain conditions and you say this. Oh well. Basically the NDP are looking at what is best for them in this current political situation. If the NDP kill site C project , the BC Liberals will use it against them to win the next election. NDP has no choice , they will need to finish the project for political reasons. This does not change the fact that the project never should have went ahead. It was rushed with no science / no proper study. It is way over budget and it will be a huge money loser for our province. I like you. You probably also believed that LNG would make BC rich and that the Easter Bunny is real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 12 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Basically the NDP are looking at what is best for them in this current political situation. If the NDP kill site C project , the BC Liberals will use it against them to win the next election. NDP has no choice , they will need to finish the project for political reasons. This does not change the fact that the project never should have went ahead. It was rushed with no science / no proper study. It is way over budget and it will be a huge money loser for our province. I like you. You probably also believed that LNG would make BC rich and that the Easter Bunny is real. what are you saying about the easter bunny? LNG would have been very nice to have. Weaver and actually to a lesser extent Horgan used Site C for their own political purposes just as much. Its funny tho, if we really want to move metro Vancouver to a green future powered by renewable energy we need a large power project. Site C is that project. Even the BC utilities commission couldn't prove that alternatives like wind were better or more cost effective. You should actually be happy about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: what are you saying about the easter bunny? LNG would have been very nice to have. Weaver and actually to a lesser extent Horgan used Site C for their own political purposes just as much. Its funny tho, if we really want to move metro Vancouver to a green future powered by renewable energy we need a large power project. Site C is that project. Even the BC utilities commission couldn't prove that alternatives like wind were better or more cost effective. You should actually be happy about that. There is much cheaper green energy than site C https://globalnews.ca/news/3802330/alternative-power-2b-to-4b-cheaper-than-site-c-says-international-energy-consultant/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: There is much cheaper green energy than site C https://globalnews.ca/news/3802330/alternative-power-2b-to-4b-cheaper-than-site-c-says-international-energy-consultant/ go figure a consultant gave a report favourable to her clients. What a banner day for green energy. And the BCUC didn't agree with this... so you're valuing the opinion on a single consultant over the BCUC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: go figure a consultant gave a report favourable to her clients. What a banner day for green energy. And the BCUC didn't agree with this... so you're valuing the opinion on a single consultant over the BCUC? Site C Project decision by BC liberals was made for political reasons. The BCUC / NDP will decide to proceed with the project but again sadly this decision will be based on politics - not science / study. Hopefully the BC voters in the Future will remember who caused this monumental waste of tax payers money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 23 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Site C Project decision by BC liberals was made for political reasons. The BCUC / NDP will decide to proceed with the project but again sadly this decision will be based on politics - not science / study. Hopefully the BC voters in the Future will remember who caused this monumental waste of tax payers money. Oh come on, the NDP somehow have no choice? And its bad for the Liberals to make a political choice but fine for the NDP to? Huh? Please, they are in power and can make whatever decision they want to. If the NDP-G chooses to go ahead with it, or cancel it, its their decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: Oh come on, the NDP somehow have no choice? And its bad for the Liberals to make a political choice but fine for the NDP to? Huh? Please, they are in power and can make whatever decision they want to. If the NDP-G chooses to go ahead with it, or cancel it, its their decision. Sadly a partly built Site C project is now a political football. NDP have no choice but to finish the ill planned project. To cancel the project now would be political suicide for the NDP. Site C will turn into a 10 Billion dollar white elephant and it will dwarf the fast ferry fiasco. I am sure the NDP will be reminding voters who initiated the project next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 4 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: Sadly a partly built Site C project is now a political football. NDP have no choice but to finish the ill planned project. To cancel the project now would be political suicide for the NDP. Site C will turn into a 10 Billion dollar white elephant and it will dwarf the fast ferry fiasco. I am sure the NDP will be reminding voters who initiated the project next election. thats just silly. Of course they have a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: thats just silly. Of course they have a choice. How do you see that the NDP have any kind of a choice. If the NDP were to cancel the project and lay off thoussands of workers / moth ball the partly completed project...... BC would the laughing stock of the rest of Canada. No way the NDP can handle the kind of publicity... damage to their image. The project must go ahead. Even if the project will cost BC taxpayers for generations ... NDP will finish the project and then use it to blame the Liberals for the next 20 years. Site C will be the next Fast Ferry Issue. 10 Billion dollar waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: How do you see that the NDP have any kind of a choice. If the NDP were to cancel the project and lay off thoussands of workers / moth ball the partly completed project...... BC would the laughing stock of the rest of Canada. No way the NDP can handle the kind of publicity... damage to their image. The project must go ahead. Even if the project will cost BC taxpayers for generations ... NDP will finish the project and then use it to blame the Liberals for the next 20 years. Site C will be the next Fast Ferry Issue. 10 Billion dollar waste of money. umm, they're in power? you cannot claim that making a political decision that only impacts the NDP is good leadership, sorry King thats the kind of thing you claimed to hate Clark over. When you are in power, you're in power, its on you. "Damage to their image" is a BS excuse and you know it. The one thing I hope you'll see someday is that the project actually may be good for BC, particularly if Trump gets re-elected and tries to screw over BC with the Columba treaty. I'm sure you'd agree that power independence is an important goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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