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38 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

Canucks need to either keep him or get some muscle back too. This team is already soft as is.

I don’t necessarily think that when/if they part with Gudbranson, that they require “muscle” back in return. Not all 31 teams succeed or fail based on whether they have too much or not enough muscle.

 

If a team has a good system in place, then it’s up to the collective to ensure they stick to the game plan. Canucks could lose 2-0, but actually won the game on the ice, because they stuck to the system that they know works. Some days, the team that played the worse game, wins. Can hit the post 3 times, lose the game, but they did everything right.

 

Long story short, parting with Gudbransson doesn’t necessarily mean they need to replace him with a big man. What they need to do is ensure that, whoever takes his place, brings something the team needs more of. If that’s muscle, great. If something else, great.

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I honestly believe we as fans underestimate how important UFA is for players.  It's one of the few moments, especially for players that other teams would definitely have interest in to exert their interests.  Unless Guddy REALLY has his heart set in VAN I see no reason why he would have much interest signing what we as fans think are reasonable/and/or frugal deals. 

 

Teams will sign this guy long term if he goes to UFA.

 

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Not sure Gudbranson needs to go, he is getting the " Dana Murzyn " treatment but provides something the team needs albeit maybe top four is not where the best fit is and that's ok.

 

I am more concerned about Tanev as an asset that is depreciating due to continued injury troubles every year. Yes he can play solid minutes but would have thought they'd try to maximize a return on him. The limited ntc really is not an issue as its only 8 teams he could say no to.

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1 hour ago, SILLY GOOSE said:

I honestly believe we as fans underestimate how important UFA is for players.  It's one of the few moments, especially for players that other teams would definitely have interest in to exert their interests.  Unless Guddy REALLY has his heart set in VAN I see no reason why he would have much interest signing what we as fans think are reasonable/and/or frugal deals. 

 

Teams will sign this guy long term if he goes to UFA.

 

You are absolutely right.

 

The hometown discount almost never happens anymore.  On top of that, Gudbranson isn't a long time Canucks and it could really be a stint he would like to forget and move on from as it so far has been two injury plagued seasons with little success.

The whole reason teams try to buy UFA years is most players want to leverage that.  Instead of comparables and one suitor, they only need one GM out of 31 to overvalue them and give an above market long term deal. 

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3 hours ago, oldnews said:

You're either being intentionally obtuse or simply weren't paying attention to context.

 

What Willie MItchell said was "WTF" - you tell a cool story about being professional and 'commending' a departing team-mate, but that's not remotely what was taking place there - players like Luongo and Mitchell were publicly calling out their management for making a stupid move.  

You don't see players like Luongo or Mitchell doing that very often - and moreover, the things Luongo said about Gudbranson were entirely consistent with the types of outcomes the two produced together.  Put your head in the sand if it suits your narrative, but @ohmy was making a far more relevent point than your attempt to wash it as mundane smalltalk.

 

Turns out those players had good reason to call out their arrogant pseudo 'analyticz' management - the fixed what wasn't broken and sent a 100+ pt team straight back out of the playoffs in short order.   Now Tallon is left once again to put the pieces back together in Florida - and they're fortunate to still have him around after the way they railroaded him - and Gerard Gallant - who is also getting the last laugh - with his team - an expansion team - in 2nd in the Western Conference with 46 points, while the post 'analyticz' Panthers sit in a mediocre 3rd last in the East.

 

Yes because the Panthers' fall from grace can be directly attributed to Gudbranson's trade. There's putting your head in the sand and then there's this.

 

Teammates support and commend those traded away regularly in all sports. If you have evidence to suggest that a three-letter tweet or Luongo's rather comical "Will always remember the great chemistry we shared on the ice together. Gonna miss you buddy" tweet with both of them sprawled on the ice was reflective of internal discontent and "calling out their management for making a stupid move," feel free to back it up. I'm not going anywhere. 

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29 minutes ago, guntrix said:

Yes because the Panthers' fall from grace can be directly attributed to Gudbranson's trade. There's putting your head in the sand and then there's this.

While I certainly don’t proclaim to know (or care) what Gudbranson’s value is/was to the Panthers, I think their fall from “one season grace” has far more to do with one person, as you’ve said. It’s a collective mess up on so many levels:

 

- Losing Jonathan Marchessault

- Losing Reilly Smith

- Knowing how injury prone Luongo is and banking on James Reimer

- And yes, Gudbranson

 

Gudbranson definitely had value to them, though. Where he fit in was where they likely acted proactively on. With Ekblad and Petrovic, they likely thought that Gudbranson wasn’t needed, and therefore, not worth the money. No way they could have foreseen Petrovic turning into an absolute disappointment since then. 

 

They have a young blue line. And while Gudbranson is around the same age, perhaps he brought a more stable presence (wise beyond his years? idk) than the current blue line has (beyond Yandle).

 

Either way, I can see why people here want to keep him.

 

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13 minutes ago, Monty said:

While I certainly don’t proclaim to know (or care) what Gudbranson’s value is/was to the Panthers, I think their fall from “one season grace” has far more to do with one person, as you’ve said. It’s a collective mess up on so many levels:

 

- Losing Jonathan Marchessault

- Losing Reilly Smith

- Knowing how injury prone Luongo is and banking on James Reimer

- And yes, Gudbranson

 

Gudbranson definitely had value to them, though. Where he fit in was where they likely acted proactively on. With Ekblad and Petrovic, they likely thought that Gudbranson wasn’t needed, and therefore, not worth the money. No way they could have foreseen Petrovic turning into an absolute disappointment since then. 

 

They have a young blue line. And while Gudbranson is around the same age, perhaps he brought a more stable presence (wise beyond his years? idk) than the current blue line has (beyond Yandle).

 

Either way, I can see why people here want to keep him.

 

I agree. Also, Barkov battling with injuries and Campbell getting traded to the Blackhawks hurt them as well. All in all, a combination of things played a part. 

 

And yes, he should stay. The discussion here focuses on his value as a hockey player though.

 

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40 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said:

Oh, shut the hell up. Everyone has been saying that the Gudbranson trade was only PART of the reason Florida fell, not the sole reason. Maybe you and your precious little buddies like forsbergthegreat and toews need to pull your heads out of your collective a-holes and pay attention to what people have been REPEATEDLY saying to you.

 

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2 hours ago, guntrix said:

Yes because the Panthers' fall from grace can be directly attributed to Gudbranson's trade. There's putting your head in the sand and then there's this.

 

Teammates support and commend those traded away regularly in all sports. If you have evidence to suggest that a three-letter tweet or Luongo's rather comical "Will always remember the great chemistry we shared on the ice together. Gonna miss you buddy" tweet with both of them sprawled on the ice was reflective of internal discontent and "calling out their management for making a stupid move," feel free to back it up. I'm not going anywhere. 

I think Guddy took a lot of hard minutes, allowing Ekblad to play softer and more offensive minded.  There was a trickle down affect on their D.  Losing Guddy meant guys like Ekblad had to pick up those really hard minutes.  

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I am a big Gudbranson supporter and hope that he re signs with the club. I think we saw glimpses of what he brings early in the season when the team was playing well and were healthy.

 

unfortunately as injuries piled up guddy along with some of our other D have looked shaky in their own end along with our goal tending. Hutton has looked pretty bad so far and pouliot while looking like a fantastic player some times still makes mistakes in his own end regularly. They're young it's going to happen.

 

 I think with injuries piling up it's actually been more on the forwards not being responsible in their own end which makes our D men look bad. Guys like Vanek, Sedins, are slow and I'm constantly noticing them turning pucks over in our own end. Couple that with young guys like virtanen, granny, goldy etc making youthful mistakes here and there and it's not good.

 

point I'm trying to make is it's easy to blame guddy or Hutton etc on a lot of plays but when you look closer many times they've been hung out to dry by our forwards. Once horvat, sutter etc are healthy guys like guddy and Hutton will look a whole lot better.

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Gudbranson is definitely a solid bottom pairing defenseman, but there's obvious issues with re-signing him.

 

1) He's injury prone af. He's never played through a full season in his career. As he gets older, the injuries will only pile up more and more.

 

2) He's expensive af. He's definitely going to be demanding a solid payoff, which he likely doesn't deserve. A Sbisa-esque contract would be fine, but anything above that might be a disaster.

 

3) His style isn't as important anymore. The only reason why the Canucks would bring him back is because they are deficient on physicality on the back-end, even though a strong puck-moving presence is the most important thing in hockey today. He's okay as a bottom-pairing guy, but anything otherwise could be a major issue.

 

I really hope they deal his arse at the deadline. I don't hate him, but he's not worth the payoff.

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4 hours ago, Mike Vanderhoek said:

Not sure Gudbranson needs to go, he is getting the " Dana Murzyn " treatment but provides something the team needs albeit maybe top four is not where the best fit is and that's ok.

 

I am more concerned about Tanev as an asset that is depreciating due to continued injury troubles every year. Yes he can play solid minutes but would have thought they'd try to maximize a return on him. The limited ntc really is not an issue as its only 8 teams he could say no to.

I agree with you on both points !

 

Point one is term and $ concern though

Point 2 is the return we could get as a deciding factor ( Didn't Benning state before, that he was getting no offers about Tanev, before his limited trade contract kicked in)?

 

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19 hours ago, Monty said:

While I certainly don’t proclaim to know (or care) what Gudbranson’s value is/was to the Panthers, I think their fall from “one season grace” has far more to do with one person, as you’ve said. It’s a collective mess up on so many levels:

 

- Losing Jonathan Marchessault

- Losing Reilly Smith

- Knowing how injury prone Luongo is and banking on James Reimer

- And yes, Gudbranson

 

Gudbranson definitely had value to them, though. Where he fit in was where they likely acted proactively on. With Ekblad and Petrovic, they likely thought that Gudbranson wasn’t needed, and therefore, not worth the money. No way they could have foreseen Petrovic turning into an absolute disappointment since then. 

 

They have a young blue line. And while Gudbranson is around the same age, perhaps he brought a more stable presence (wise beyond his years? idk) than the current blue line has (beyond Yandle).

 

Either way, I can see why people here want to keep him.

 

You've got your timelines (and the point) fundamentally confused.

 

First, Marchessault was there all of last season - and none of 2015/16 - so he's actually an outlier to the point you're attempting to make.  He was a Lightning in 15/16.

 

Likewise - Reilly Smith spent the entire 16/17 season in Florida last year - he, like Marchessault moved to Vegas this year. 

That move can be seen as a consequence of the failed analytics venture, which effectively set their window back years, and caused Florida to dump cap.

 

2015/16 was the Panthers 47-26 season.  Tallon and Gallant weren't good enough.... Nor was the team Tallon built.  Promptly 'upgraded' by analyticz cling-ons.

 

In any event, no one reduced it to one Gudbranson trade - correction - @guntrix attempted to, but he fed you some straw.

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33 minutes ago, oldnews said:

so, it's the obtuse option.

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I knew you were gonna totally ignore that second paragraph. You know why? Because you were totally projecting. If you want to convince yourself that two tweets give you inside knowledge of the dressing room’s feelings towards the Guddy trade, be my guest. Don’t expect others to bite though. 

 

Seems like posters on here are finally catching up to the fact that you like to write a lot but don’t really say much. I do like to read through your patented catchphrases and edgy monotonous material though, I’ll give you that. 

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25 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I think Guddy took a lot of hard minutes, allowing Ekblad to play softer and more offensive minded.  There was a trickle down affect on their D.  Losing Guddy meant guys like Ekblad had to pick up those really hard minutes.  

A good point Alf.

And it wasn't just Gudbranson - it was a virtual overhaul.  the blueline alone - Gudbranson, Kulikov, Campbell, Mitchell - out - Yandle, Demers (promptly cap dumped), Pysyk brought in.

Tom Rowe somehow convinced ownership that Tallon was building the 'wrong' kind of team - that he and some analytics geniuses should be enabled to fix what wasn't broken.

Tallon relieved of his GM duties.

Gerard Gallant along with him.

Rowe et al turn the team into a loser and run the franchise back into a financial rock and a hard place.

Looks good on them after what Tallon and Gallant had done for that franchise.

Tallon built repeated SCChampions and had that franchise in great shape.

Gallant put together a 100+ pt season....and is doing so again with an expansion team.

Rowe....don't know or care what he's up to.

 

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28 minutes ago, Nancouver said:

I am a big Gudbranson supporter and hope that he re signs with the club. I think we saw glimpses of what he brings early in the season when the team was playing well and were healthy.

 

unfortunately as injuries piled up guddy along with some of our other D have looked shaky in their own end along with our goal tending. Hutton has looked pretty bad so far and pouliot while looking like a fantastic player some times still makes mistakes in his own end regularly. They're young it's going to happen.

 

 I think with injuries piling up it's actually been more on the forwards not being responsible in their own end which makes our D men look bad. Guys like Vanek, Sedins, are slow and I'm constantly noticing them turning pucks over in our own end. Couple that with young guys like virtanen, granny, goldy etc making youthful mistakes here and there and it's not good.

 

point I'm trying to make is it's easy to blame guddy or Hutton etc on a lot of plays but when you look closer many times they've been hung out to dry by our forwards. Once horvat, sutter etc are healthy guys like guddy and Hutton will look a whole lot better.

I think you've touched on a few really relevent points.

First - we're seeing presently how important and integral it is to have solid, two way forwards - without a gaggle of guys like Sutter, Horvat, Dorsett (to a lesser extent Baertschi) it inevitably effects team defense fairly deeply, and even as the blueline gets a bit healthier, it's still an integrated unit and losses to the forward group or blueline effect the other on all sorts of levels.

Second is Hutton's struggles - which have spanned last season and this, regardless of whether he's been paired with Gudbranson, Tanev, Stecher or Tryamkin.  I personally think he was very shaky to start last season, which is when his first trial run with a more experienced shutdown partner took place, but also shaky to start this year, even when playing with Tanev....I think there is certainly an element of forward support that can't be separated from struggling to move the puck particularly in one's own zone (all the D have experienced this the past few years on depleted bluelines with depleted forward groups).  I'm not sure where I see Hutton being paired tbh - I like him and think he's a good young two way D - perhaps he'll play with Tanev more if/when he sees more time - but I see Pouliot as more decisisve even if he makes the odd error - Pouliot is driving to transition the puck - he's taking more risks and he's been here less time than Hutton has and is less experienced.  I hope Hutton regains some of the confidence he had earlier in his career - if he does that it might enable them to make another transition trade, otherwise I'm not sure I see the team moving Edler - he might be here through more transition time.

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