gameburn Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Years left in Gagner's contract. He barely got here. But it's clear that he's neither an impact player nor even a decent defensive player. What do they do with him? Virtanen needs ice time, Gaunce needs a chance to prove himself one way or another. And new players are coming up very soon: not just Petterson next year, but Goldobin this year. Saddled with years more of this guy, what are they going to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Just now, gameburn said: Years left in Gagner's contract. He barely got here. But it's clear that he's neither an impact player nor even a decent defensive player. What do they do with him? Virtanen needs ice time, Gaunce needs a chance to prove himself one way or another. And new players are coming up very soon: not just Petterson next year, but Goldobin this year. Saddled with years more of this guy, what are they going to do? Sadly, We suffer with him until our young guys are ready. Still, should never have given him term. That is NOT what a truly rebuilding team does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Wait. His contract has no trade restrictions and isn't particularly damning. If he hasn't done well enough for anyone to bite at the deadline, simply hold onto him, hope he has a better second season, and if he does, move him then. It's 3 years at roughly 3 mill per with no trade restrictions. A very easy contract to work with. Despite what some others may say, the sky is not falling. Besides, if the twins do retire at the end of the year, we'll need someone else who can play center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bllewellyn Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Trade him back to the blue jackets for a draft pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted November 25, 2017 Author Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sadly, We suffer with him until our young guys are ready. Still, should never have given him term. That is NOT what a truly rebuilding team does. It will be hard to watch, and frustrating. 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wait. His contract has no trade restrictions and isn't particularly damning. If he hasn't done well enough for anyone to bite at the deadline, simply hold onto him, hope he has a better second season, and if he does, move him then. I am so conflicted. He was a terrific junior, and he is good with the younger players... but Goldobin... Virtanen... they need his space and toi. I hope you are right, and he picks up his game. He is heading toward the Chris Higgins end of things. Not nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, gameburn said: It will be hard to watch, and frustrating. I am so conflicted. He was a terrific junior, and he is good with the younger players... but Goldobin... Virtanen... they need his space and toi. I hope you are right, and he picks up his game. He is heading toward the Chris Higgins end of things. Not nice. It's not like it's an Eriksson situation, where he's making massive money, has a ton of term, and a NTC. I think we'll be able to pawn him off on someone before his contract ends. Goldobin likely slots in once Vanek is gone, and, as I mentioned before, if the twins don't retire after this season, they'll retire after the next one, so we have some room coming up in pretty short order. Out- Henrik, Daniel, Vanek In- Goldobin, Gaudette, Pettersson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Eat a mill of that debacle. Maybe Gagner(at 2 mill) for Honey Badger, near deadline? Even throw in a middlish pick, if necc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sygvard Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 23 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Eat a mill of that debacle. Maybe Gagner(at 2 mill) for Honey Badger, near deadline? Even throw in a middlish pick, if necc Hansen isn't coming back man. I love the guy, but reacquiring the vets that we just traded for futures isn't the way to go. Lets move this ship forward, not tread water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: It's not like it's an Eriksson situation, where he's making massive money, has a ton of term, and a NTC. I think we'll be able to pawn him off on someone before his contract ends. Goldobin likely slots in once Vanek is gone, and, as I mentioned before, if the twins don't retire after this season, they'll retire after the next one, so we have some room coming up in pretty short order. Out- Henrik, Daniel, Vanek In- Goldobin, Gaudette, Pettersson It’s not the end of the world but it was a contract with term that didn’t need to be signed. Plenty of people called this before the signing. It’s not like Rodin couldn’t have done exactly what he’s accomplished so far and because of it we are down an asset. He’s always been inconsistent. Two years ago he was waived and it looks like it is could be heading down that road again. Gameburn summed it up nicely, it’s another higgins situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Eat a mill of that debacle. Maybe Gagner(at 2 mill) for Honey Badger, near deadline? Even throw in a middlish pick, if necc I wouldn’t eat any cap but I would much rather have hansen and his work ethic teaching the young players for the remainder of this year, than gagner for 3 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Moving Edler I think is a bigger priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 as far as the many ufas signed by JB last summer he has easily been the worst. Totally ineffective on the PP and as a third/fourth liner Gag 23gp 8pts -7. Pp time virt 19gp 5pts +4. No pp time. Brumistrov 15gp 5pts +1 3mill contract the only reason he’s not a pressbox superstar. can’t think of any team (including us)that needs a player like this at 3mill and 3years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: I wouldn’t eat any cap but I would much rather have hansen and his work ethic teaching the young players for the remainder of this year, than gagner for 3 more years. Thing is we're eating 500k of Badger's cap-pie, anywhoo. With all the cap opening in summer, we can handle a mill for 2 seasons. Understand the reluctance, but I'd suggest it's reasonably debatable to upgrade from Gag-me to the Badger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 he is an average player on an average contract brought in mostly to help the pp the coach and gm did not expect boeser to start the season with the canucks and boeser has now taken his pp spot gagner was a high draft pick and does have some skills but he barely played 4th line in columbus what were people really expecting from him? i was expecting average to slightly less then average to me he is pretty much what i expected as one poster said we need some bodies next year if the sedins do not return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 You need some veteran help on a rebuilding team, there isn't a team of U22 in the NHL. After next year Loui, Sutter, Gagne and Dorsett are our veteran F's. All of them are sound defensively and can be effective line mates. I don't see what the big deal is in terms of Gagner specifically, he's not a liability and has always been streaky offensively. Sure he's a -7 right now but Del Zotto is a -8. Gagner also has 8 points, right around what you'd think for the 1/4 mark and is over 50% on face-offs so I don't agree with the OP theory on this one. We're going to have 3 more open spots for kids next year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 49 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It’s not the end of the world but it was a contract with term that didn’t need to be signed. Plenty of people called this before the signing. It’s not like Rodin couldn’t have done exactly what he’s accomplished so far and because of it we are down an asset. He’s always been inconsistent. Two years ago he was waived and it looks like it is could be heading down that road again. Gameburn summed it up nicely, it’s another higgins situation. But Gagne is an asset too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I am going to go against the grain and say Gagner has value for this team. Sure, I think there is room for criticism but I see a guy who works hard, has good talent and is a committed team player. I firmly believe if he can get some chemistry going with whomever we will see him contribute more regularly. Keep in mind every player on this team makes defensive mistakes and gets tired from time to time. It's too easy as fans to criticize athletes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Wait. His contract has no trade restrictions and isn't particularly damning. If he hasn't done well enough for anyone to bite at the deadline, simply hold onto him, hope he has a better second season, and if he does, move him then. It's 3 years at roughly 3 mill per with no trade restrictions. A very easy contract to work with. Despite what some others may say, the sky is not falling. Besides, if the twins do retire at the end of the year, we'll need someone else who can play center. Funny, because he was so stoked to sign in Van and sink roots. He said exactly the same thing last year in CBJ. His pal Ryan Whitney always speaks of him like he's a prodigy. I have a feeling that he's here until his UFA trade deadline, and that's if someone wants a squishy PPish veteran richboy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 I think there are worse contracts on the Canucks roster than Gagner's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 3 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: But Gagne is an asset too. Rodin was a one year stop gap which was much more inline with our prospects, Gagner is locked for 3 years. Dumb signing....Oh well, I guess isn't not coming out of my pay check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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