Van/Winterpeg (Proposal)

[Nuxfanabroad]

I'll confess to a soft spot for the Jets. Folks livin' out there deserve a Cup(no Clint quotes/memes please).

 

This deal is predicated upon acceptance. Jets are closer than we are. They should go all-in. We should stockpile for 2~4 yrs later.. being legit contenders. Therefore suggesting these two teams could assist each other, with that reality in mind.

send:

- Tanev..brilliant D & good soldier. Play with his younger bro(I'd love to see him become a Champ/name engraved)

- Markstrom ..tired of waiting for him to(consistently) achieve potential

- Granlund ..versatility, can go up vs his bro in Central Div

 

From Jets:

- Trouba. Could be an undisputed top RH-D for us(RFA in summer). 5 yrs younger than Tanev. Fits in well with our young fwds

- Mason. Basically a lump. Only this yr & next. Hand Nilsson the starter's reins. He earns it, or Demko's ready in 2 yrs, when these two would clear out. Jets dumping Mason for Markstrom would enhance return. WE take more risk, so they add conditional pick.

- Dano/Petan. Both 2 yrs younger than Granny, & cap-status similar

- Conditional pick: 5th rounder. If Jets make 3rd round(Markstrom has majority of wins), make it 2018 2nd rounder.

IF Jets win Conference(reasonably possible, & Marky has half of wins)..2018 1st rounder.

 

***Summary***

Cap's almost a saw-off. We get younger. Give 3 pieces for their 4. Continuing my recent theme of trying to build up a younger, deeper D. If Tram ever returns, him & Trouba would be a sweet top-2, RH-side.

[qwijibo]

Can't think of a single reason for Winnipeg to pull the trigger on this deal 

[zzbottom]

I forgot all about Dano. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

3 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Can't think of a single reason for Winnipeg to pull the trigger on this deal 

Buff & Tanev as your 2 RH-d's for an excellent, contrasting-style? I'd call that a damn-good reason.

 

You'll say Myers is enough, I bet. Oft-injured, he's a 5.5 mill cap-hit(owed 3 mill per yr, this season & next). Sunbelt teams love them upside-down numbers. They could keep him for this yr's depth, & summer-flip him for youth.

 

The way CT skates(combined with Winn's young fwds) throws cold water on your skepticism.

[Pears]

10 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Can't think of a single reason for Winnipeg to pull the trigger on this deal 

Can’t think of a single reason for why you always shoot down trade proposals on this site. This trade isn’t as bad as you think it is. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

14 minutes ago, Pears said:

Can’t think of a single reason for why you always shoot down trade proposals on this site. This trade isn’t as bad as you think it is. 

Imagine you open a restaurant, Pears..Day one, this bloke would amble in, blathering about the food's quality, like he's a NYT's food critic!(at home, likely burns his toast)

 

Just scrolled about 8 pages of Proposals section(dating to last May!), & I don't see ONE thread, with any of your ideas @qwijibo, yet you appear as ubiquitous to p*ss on parades as Van's weather :^)

 

The "black hole" of input...

[Phil_314]

I don't see Granny as much of an upgrade.  Connor - Schief - Wheeler and Ehlers - Little - Laine are two solid lines, and guys like Brandon Tanev, Hendricks, Lowry, Armia, Perreault and maybe Copp(?) are offering a good mix of physical and quick skaters who are at least as good at him.  We're pretty much trimming the fat with Dano.

 

Marky vs. Mason is an upgrade but if Hellebuyck is the undisputed #1 (12-2 so far) then this upgrade just might be negligible.

 

What benefit then would it give them to trade Trouba then?  He's young, physical, big-minute and living up to his billing, likely as a #1 defender.  With him, Buffy, Myers, Kulikov, Morrissey and Enstrom that's a solid group.  Tanev would likely solidify things further but again the gain for them is nominal.

Simply put we aren't stealing Trouba and scraps, even if we include Tanev, Granny and Marky.  The last two aren't doing great themselves either, and Tanev for Trouba is at best a wash.
 

[Nuxfanabroad]

4 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

I don't see Granny as much of an upgrade.  Connor - Schief - Wheeler and Ehlers - Little - Laine are two solid lines, and guys like Brandon Tanev, Hendricks, Lowry, Armia, Perreault and maybe Copp(?) are offering a good mix of physical and quick skaters who are at least as good at him.  We're pretty much trimming the fat with Dano.

 

Marky vs. Mason is an upgrade but if Hellebuyck is the undisputed #1 (12-2 so far) then this upgrade just might be negligible.

 

What benefit then would it give them to trade Trouba then?  He's young, physical, big-minute and living up to his billing, likely as a #1 defender.  With him, Buffy, Myers, Kulikov, Morrissey and Enstrom that's a solid group.  Tanev would likely solidify things further but again the gain for them is nominal.

Simply put we aren't stealing Trouba and scraps, even if we include Tanev, Granny and Marky.  The last two aren't doing great themselves either, and Tanev for Trouba is at best a wash.
 

Reasonable points, Phil. In truth don't see enough of the Jets to reasonably counter.

 

Scuttlebutt on Jets HFpage had them talking with TBay..speculating Trouba going there. Don't think he wants to be in Winnipeg, dating back to his last contract-squabble. Might be steep to re-sign too. Deterents for some, could prove opportunities for others.

 

There's pros & cons, but I could see the Jets bullish on adding the 3 vets I proposed. Helleb & Markstrom might make for a strong tandem?

 

Pretty sure Tan-man must be HIGHly regarded amongst GM's league-wide. They could move on from further Trouba-negotiations(next summer, nip it in the bud), & intro a Cdn bro-act, to enhance vet-depth & unity.

[qwijibo]

41 minutes ago, Pears said:

Can’t think of a single reason for why you always shoot down trade proposals on this site. This trade isn’t as bad as you think it is. 

Hellybuck has been spectacular this year and they have mason. So why do they need Markstrom? Granlund isn't really an upgrade on the wing for them.  So it's Tanev and two players they don't really need for Trouba ++.  

[J.I.A.H.N]

1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

I'll confess to a soft spot for the Jets. Folks livin' out there deserve a Cup(no Clint quotes/memes please).

 

This deal is predicated upon acceptance. Jets are closer than we are. They should go all-in. We should stockpile for 2~4 yrs later.. being legit contenders. Therefore suggesting these two teams could assist each other, with that reality in mind.

send:

- Tanev..brilliant D & good soldier. Play with his younger bro(I'd love to see him become a Champ/name engraved)

- Markstrom ..tired of waiting for him to(consistently) achieve potential

- Granlund ..versatility, can go up vs his bro in Central Div

 

From Jets:

- Trouba. Could be an undisputed top RH-D for us(RFA in summer). 5 yrs younger than Tanev. Fits in well with our young fwds

- Mason. Basically a lump. Only this yr & next. Hand Nilsson the starter's reins. He earns it, or Demko's ready in 2 yrs, when these two would clear out. Jets dumping Mason for Markstrom would enhance return. WE take more risk, so they add conditional pick.

- Dano/Petan. Both 2 yrs younger than Granny, & cap-status similar

- Conditional pick: 5th rounder. If Jets make 3rd round(Markstrom has majority of wins), make it 2018 2nd rounder.

IF Jets win Conference(reasonably possible, & Marky has half of wins)..2018 1st rounder.

 

***Summary***

Cap's almost a saw-off. We get younger. Give 3 pieces for their 4. Continuing my recent theme of trying to build up a younger, deeper D. If Tram ever returns, him & Trouba would be a sweet top-2, RH-side.

I get it! Nux

 

I was thinking about a Trouba for Tanev trade in my proposal, but I couldn't put it together......I like it, but maybe shorten it a bit????

 

Trouba + 2nd  (Mason is a throw in for cap...correct?)

 

for

 

Tanev + Marky + Granlund

 

Like you said Trouba is 5 years younger

 

?

 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

5 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I get it! Nux

 

I was thinking about a Trouba for Tanev trade in my proposal, but I couldn't put it together......I like it, but maybe shorten it a bit????

 

Trouba + 2nd  (Mason is a throw in for cap...correct?)

 

for

 

Tanev + Marky + Granlund

 

Like you said Trouba is 5 years younger

 

?

 

 

Yeah thanks..this simplification is prob more logical/likelier style of deal. Winn's in a Hellish division, but I think they've got the horses, & expect big things from them.

 

If we could land a 23 yr old talent like Trouba, the long-term pay-off is quite a consolation.

 

But imagine the frenzy in that town if they went on a run to the Finals? The excitement/revenue generated makes me think it's reasonable for us to request the 2018(late) 1st, if Marky spearheaded a deep run.

[J.I.A.H.N]

5 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Yeah thanks..this simplification is prob more logical/likelier style of deal. Winn's in a Hellish division, but I think they've got the horses, & expect big things from them.

 

If we could land a 23 yr old talent like Trouba, the long-term pay-off is quite a consolation.

 

But imagine the frenzy in that town if they went on a run to the Finals? The excitement/revenue generated makes me think it's reasonable for us to request the 2018(late) 1st, if Marky spearheaded a deep run.

I could see the 2nd being a conditional 1st if Winnipeg ended up in the win the cup, but only then

 

It then becomes a flyer, but I think Winnipeg thinks they give up the best piece (rightly or wrongly).........but they would be right....especially LT

 

Interesting proposal...... I think Winnipeg goes for it because of budget issues with Trouba as much as anything....adding Marky and Granlund, just fill in holes (small upgrades)

[Nuxfanabroad]

2 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I could see the 2nd being a conditional 1st if Winnipeg ended up in the win the cup, but only then

 

It then becomes a flyer, but I think Winnipeg thinks they give up the best piece (rightly or wrongly).........but they would be right....especially LT

 

Interesting proposal...... I think Winnipeg goes for it because of budget issues with Trouba as much as anything....adding Marky and Granlund, just fill in holes (small upgrades)

& heck, with JB a 2nd/1st is prob no difference! Okay..you've approved it..I'll send memo to Jimbo :^)

[BowtieCanuck]

Why does everyone want to trade our most valuable defensemen? (Tanev)

[c00kies]

That's a lot to give up for a cap dump. 

 

Trouba for Tanev is basically a wash, and Granlund is a good depth winger, but Winnipeg has depth up front.

 

The timing is also wrong, as Winnipeg, despite their loss to San Jose, is playing pretty well and won't want to subtract from that roster.

 

Not a terrible proposal, but I don't think it makes sense.

 

Also, if Winnipeg wanted Tanev, they probably would give up a depth player or pick/prospect rather than take from their roster.

 

 

[ForsbergTheGreat]

1 hour ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Reasonable points, Phil. In truth don't see enough of the Jets to reasonably counter.

 

Scuttlebutt on Jets HFpage had them talking with TBay..speculating Trouba going there. Don't think he wants to be in Winnipeg, dating back to his last contract-squabble. Might be steep to re-sign too. Deterents for some, could prove opportunities for others.

Trouba doesn't just want out of WPG, he wants out of canada.

 

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Dreger also said there's “Canadian interest aimed at Winnipeg.” In other words, some unnamed Canadian teams could be pitching offers to the Jets for Trouba. However, Dreger claims the American-born rearguard doesn't see a fit in Canada.

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

11 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said:

Trouba doesn't just want out of WPG, he wants out of canada.

 

 

'tis a drag if twits of Dregs produces reason/insight...

[luckylager]

1 hour ago, BowtieCanuck said:

Why does everyone want to trade our most valuable defensemen? (Tanev)

Only because he's the only Dman with real value.

 

I like the trade from a value perspective. Hate the thought of losing Tanev. Our D has no "cool" without him.

[Pears]

14 minutes ago, luckylager said:

Only because he's the only Dman with real value.

 

I like the trade from a value perspective. Hate the thought of losing Tanev. Our D has no "cool" without him.

That’s why we have to get a serious haul for us to even consider moving him. 

[luckylager]

2 minutes ago, Pears said:

That’s why we have to get a serious haul for us to even consider moving him. 

I couldn't agree more.

 

Problem is- I believe Tanev, though injury prone, to be the last Dman we should be moving until Stech is ready to play the smart, subtle, hyper-aware role.

Bonus is- Stech has a bit more flare to his game. If he can get Tanev's positional game and awareness down pat...