J-23 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 If Bo is out for a while, I'm going to cry. People don't understand Horvats importance to Boeser. He is the leader of that 1st line 5v5, forchecking, backchecking, hustling every play, keeping pucks alive, winning faceoffs etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: I'm guessing Granlund will take Horvat's spot on the top line, while Burmistrov goes in to cover Granlund's spot. Chaput as the 13th forward. I'm just hoping Horvat's injury isn't serious - our most important player on the team. Goldobin - Granlund - Boeser Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Baertschi - Gagner - Vanek Gaunce - Burmistrov - Virtanen Granlund is a very capable center who knows how to take care of his own house. Short term, he is the best option there. Plus, he's been used by Greener in a shut down role most of the season so...... there goes my theory about Greener playing guys like elastic bands again... Granlund could bust out offensively and propel that line. He hasn't really been given the chance this year, and don't forget, if not for getting injured he could have popped 25 instead of 19 last year. That's more than Bo ended up with, playing a full season. The thing I love about Greener, is he recognized Granlund's offensive jump in production last year, but also saw he was -19 ( Bo was -7 by comparison It's my belief that he put Granlund is a prominent shut-down role to: 1. Show him trust and respect by giving him a role that wasn't offensive, but equally important to the teams success 2. Make him understand that when he learns that side of the game, the offence will blossom when given the opportunity. Seems like a recurring theme, yeah? We'll see what happens if he's the guy between Boeser and Goldy tomorrow. Let's go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DownUndaCanuck Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Sutter and Horvat out, ouch, this team is going to struggle just when they started stringing wins together and getting into a prime playoff spot. Henrik back to 1st line center. Convert Granlund to center, get Burmistrov in the middle too and Gagner back to center as well. Cam Darcy is intriguing too, he's had a decent start to the Utica season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 10 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Sutter and Horvat out, ouch, this team is going to struggle just when they started stringing wins together and getting into a prime playoff spot. Henrik back to 1st line center. Convert Granlund to center, get Burmistrov in the middle too and Gagner back to center as well. Cam Darcy is intriguing too, he's had a decent start to the Utica season. Time for Daniel to start practicing face offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Chaput Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 hours ago, JamesB said: +1 to Brad Marchand for providing hope. According to CapFriendly, Dorsett is on IR, but not LTIR. Therefore, if the plan is to shift Dorsett to LTIR and maximize the cap relief, then bringing up Demko makes sense for that reason. Let's hope that is what is going on. The alternative is that it is Horvat going on LTIR -- or maybe both guys are going on LTIR. The basic point is that cap relief is highest if the team is as close as possible to the Cap on the day when a player is placed on LTIR. I think the way it works is that the cap relief (amount by which the team can exceed the cap) equals the player's salary minus any existing cap room. If the existing cap room is zero and Horvat goes on LTIR, the Canucks would get a full 5.5 million (Horvat's cap hit) as extra space. If the existing cap room was 5.5. million, then the Canucks would get no extra relief -- they would still have the same 5.5 million in cap space. There are also some complications related to bonuses. Personally, I would be happy if the Canucks did not maximize cap relief. The extra cap relief only has value if the Canucks bring in a replacement player with a fairly high cap hit. That is something I don't want to see if they give up an assets to acquire such a player. On the other hand, I would not mind seeing the Canucks bring in a bad contract if another asset like a draft pick comes along with it. In any case, the chances of Horvat needing to go on LTIR are looking higher than is comfortable. I guess there will be an announcement of some sort tomorrow. I agree that it is pretty obvious that Horvat won't play on Thursday. One or two games we can live with and I will feel like we dodged a bullet if that is all it is. Burmistrov and the three G's (Granlund, Gagner, and Gaunce) can all play center, but none of those guys is close to being a replacement for Horvat. In terms of match-ups, other teams will probably view Henrik as 1C put their top shutdown D pairing against the Sedin line. This will give Boeser and Goldy a chance to show what they can do without Horvat -- the same "opportunity" Baertschi has had for the past three games. It is hard to be optimistic but maybe Green can work some magic. The Canucks have limited cap space available. CapFriendly has them at 730K with an accrued cap space of 1.1M. They have only been able to accrue about 370K since the start of the year (1.1 less 730K). They used LTIR for the Eriksson injury. They don't seem to have the ability to bring in bad contracts or make a significant trade unless an equivalent cap hit goes the other way. I don't think it's Horvat going on LTIR but more likely Dorsett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Our first line is lacking it's offensive dynamo, and I don't think we have anyone who can replace it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 hours ago, samurai said: Chaput <snip> Came for the Michael Scott reference. Was not disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlwaysACanuckFan Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Qwags said: Our first line is lacking it's offensive dynamo, and I don't think we have anyone who can replace it. In a year or two.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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UticaHockey Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 5 hours ago, mll said: The Canucks have limited cap space available. CapFriendly has them at 730K with an accrued cap space of 1.1M. They have only been able to accrue about 370K since the start of the year (1.1 less 730K). They used LTIR for the Eriksson injury. They don't seem to have the ability to bring in bad contracts or make a significant trade unless an equivalent cap hit goes the other way. I don't think it's Horvat going on LTIR but more likely Dorsett. Don't they also have to keep enough cap space for Boeser if he hits his performance bonuses or is that already figured into the current cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, UticaHockey said: Don't they also have to keep enough cap space for Boeser if he hits his performance bonuses or is that already figured into the current cap space? It's not accounted for yet because it's performance base. Any bonuses that aren't covered will simply count against next season's cap. It happened two seasons ago where they had about 300K for bonuses earned the previous season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spitfire_Spiky Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 6 hours ago, mll said: The Canucks have limited cap space available. CapFriendly has them at 730K with an accrued cap space of 1.1M. They have only been able to accrue about 370K since the start of the year (1.1 less 730K). They used LTIR for the Eriksson injury. They don't seem to have the ability to bring in bad contracts or make a significant trade unless an equivalent cap hit goes the other way. I don't think it's Horvat going on LTIR but more likely Dorsett. I hope your right about Horvat but how does that work with Dorsett? Is he going on LTIR or does he retire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Just now, Spitfire_Spiky said: I hope your right about Horvat but how does that work with Dorsett? Is he going on LTIR or does he retire? Horvat is apparently out for close to 6 weeks. Dorsett goes on LTIR. His contract still runs and he will still receive his salary - it's likely insured. It's the same situation as with Pronger, Clarkson etc. They retired on injury but stay on the books as they have not given up their contract and continued to receive salary. Salaries of injured players still count against the cap and teams have the option to put them on LTIR instead of just IR to get some cap relief if they need it. Vegas has Clarkson on IR because they are operating under the cap. Chicago has Hossa on LTIR because they need the cap space. Canucks now need the cap space to be able to make recalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbanezRG Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 Demko gets paid for 6 weeks while Horvat heals up? Part of it im sure, but no way he stays up that whole time without playing, either they cycle a few AHL guys who deserve some extra money, or he gets a start. I think he should play a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 7 hours ago, Crimson said: Came for the Michael Scott reference. Was not disappointed. knew someone would be looking and so went with the remix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 17 hours ago, D-Money said: Brenton looks like bad news. Maybe Canucks are just protecting Thatcher? easily solution if he was. when thatcher is in van. the team offers him a cruise to van so he arrives is a super good mood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted December 7, 2017 Share Posted December 7, 2017 8 hours ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: In a year or two.. Pettersson is our savior! all hail Pettersson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 8, 2017 Share Posted December 8, 2017 Demko has been re-assigned to Utica. CapFriendly now has Dorsett on LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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