hammertime Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 @ the deadline To Washington: Vanek 50% retained To Van: Madison Bowey Let's face it Washington needs to win now. Its now or rebuild soon for them. Madison has slipped in their prospect pool the once highly touted offensive RHD prospect has had trouble making the jump and will be RFA this offseason. He has been passed by Christian Djoos and Hobbs in their prospect pool. Time is running out for Bowey in Washington. Cue Vanek the thought of slipping Vanek into that forward group is terrifying. Have to retain 50% to make it fit but I think it would be worth it. Bowey has JB dumpster dive treasure written all over him. Thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Washington needs more D, not less. Vanek isn't going to get us much more than a 3rd rounder. He's been rented out a couple of times, and the results weren't great for the teams that acquired him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Yeah, let's just land all the young dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted December 17, 2017 Author Share Posted December 17, 2017 @D-MoneyJust because Vanek's value is around a 3rd doesn't make a 3rd the only possible return. I doubt many teams would be flipping a 3rd for Bowey at this point. Since trading Vanek for a third would be relatively worthless to us and trading Bowey for a 3rd not beneficial to them as said prospect would be 3 years from making the jump if at all swapping Bowey for Vanek would be IMO a worthwhile risk on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 They wouldn't do that, they've been patient with Bowey's development for a long time and see him as a big part of their future... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 Just now, TheHitman said: They wouldn't do that, they've been patient with Bowey's development for a long time and see him as a big part of their future... I think that was true in 2016 but I'm not convinced it is still the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 10 minutes ago, hammertime said: I think that was true in 2016 but I'm not convinced it is still the case. Look at their top four though, Carlson is more than likely leaving, Niskanen hasn't been his regular self, Orpiks a shell of what he was and gone after next season, and Orlov has failed to live up to expectations. If anything Washington needs a lot of young defensemen, they're basically hoping on Bowey, Chorney, Djoos, and Johansen to take big steps soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 35 minutes ago, TheHitman said: Look at their top four though, Carlson is more than likely leaving, Niskanen hasn't been his regular self, Orpiks a shell of what he was and gone after next season, and Orlov has failed to live up to expectations. If anything Washington needs a lot of young defensemen, they're basically hoping on Bowey, Chorney, Djoos, and Johansen to take big steps soon. You could be right. I'm not in their mind over in Washington. Just read a few captions from the Washington beat that he is running out of time to "show me" there. Could just be smoke. Kid has been cooking for 4 years he's 22 almost 23 eventually patience runs thin. His 7 apples in 28 games so far isn't exactly setting the world a blaze. Fresh start could be what the Doc ordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzbottom Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 25 minutes ago, hammertime said: I think that was true in 2016 but I'm not convinced it is still the case. Somebody call the Capitals with this breaking development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, D-Money said: Washington needs more D, not less. Vanek isn't going to get us much more than a 3rd rounder. He's been rented out a couple of times, and the results weren't great for the teams that acquired him. Not Vanek's fault Florida missed the playoffs. His .5 ppg for MTL and MINI combined in 2014-2016 would be a pretty good return for a 3rd not his fault they over paid. Vanek on Washington's PP would be lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, hammertime said: @D-MoneyJust because Vanek's value is around a 3rd doesn't make a 3rd the only possible return. I doubt many teams would be flipping a 3rd for Bowey at this point. Since trading Vanek for a third would be relatively worthless to us and trading Bowey for a 3rd not beneficial to them as said prospect would be 3 years from making the jump if at all swapping Bowey for Vanek would be IMO a worthwhile risk on both sides. Seriously? You think a 22 year-old former 1st round defenseman...who was a WHL and Memorial Cup 1st Team All-Star...who is already playing regularly in the NHL, and has 7 points in his first 28 games... ...is only worth a 3rd round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, hammertime said: Not Vanek's fault Florida missed the playoffs. His .5 ppg for MTL and MINI combined in 2014-2016 would be a pretty good return for a 3rd not his fault they over paid. Vanek on Washington's PP would be lethal. It's not just about the points with Vanek, as his current -16 suggests. There is a reason he waited so long to get signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 21 minutes ago, D-Money said: Seriously? You think a 22 year-old former 1st round defenseman...who was a WHL and Memorial Cup 1st Team All-Star...who is already playing regularly in the NHL, and has 7 points in his first 28 games... ...is only worth a 3rd round pick? Drafted late 2nd 53rd not that I'm saying you're wrong I like Bowey or I wouldn't recommend the trade. I see his upside. Also didn't think we could get Dahlen and Goldy for what we gave up. Come's down to when teams are willing to pull the plug on a prospect for immediate help. As mentioned Bowey is in a show me now scenario in Washington as this is his final year of ELC with Djoos and Hobbs knocking I'm merely suggesting perhaps he is out of leash. What have you done for me lately. Cole Cassels went "GOD MODE" in the OHL at the age Bowey was a Mem All star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 58 minutes ago, hammertime said: Drafted late 2nd 53rd not that I'm saying you're wrong I like Bowey or I wouldn't recommend the trade. I see his upside. Also didn't think we could get Dahlen and Goldy for what we gave up. Come's down to when teams are willing to pull the plug on a prospect for immediate help. As mentioned Bowey is in a show me now scenario in Washington as this is his final year of ELC with Djoos and Hobbs knocking I'm merely suggesting perhaps he is out of leash. What have you done for me lately. Cole Cassels went "GOD MODE" in the OHL at the age Bowey was a Mem All star. Oh yeah, forgot he was a 2nd. I'm not suggesting that Washington wouldn't trade him, just that he's worth more than a 3rd. However, I'd suspect they'd only trade him for a better (but older) D-man. Bowey (+pick/prospect) for Gudbranson actually makes a lot more sense. And I'd pull the trigger on that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 30 minutes ago, D-Money said: Oh yeah, forgot he was a 2nd. I'm not suggesting that Washington wouldn't trade him, just that he's worth more than a 3rd. However, I'd suspect they'd only trade him for a better (but older) D-man. Bowey (+pick/prospect) for Gudbranson actually makes a lot more sense. And I'd pull the trigger on that for sure. That is an interesting idea! I'm not yet sold on trading Gud however if negotiations are indeed at an impasse that would be attractive if the Caps were willing to pay Gud the numbers being bandied about. I like Gud and I do believe that he is a team first guy. I do not believe he will sign a contract to make him an immediate buyout candidate. He is a prideful man. He will re sign for <4.5 with term and will be worth every penny when it finally counts. Just my opinion though fwiw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHitman Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, hammertime said: You could be right. I'm not in their mind over in Washington. Just read a few captions from the Washington beat that he is running out of time to "show me" there. Could just be smoke. Kid has been cooking for 4 years he's 22 almost 23 eventually patience runs thin. His 7 apples in 28 games so far isn't exactly setting the world a blaze. Fresh start could be what the Doc ordered. In any case it'd be unlikely that they go for this trade because Vanek isn't the type of player that they need and Bowey isn't a player they can lose atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Vanek will be worth more at the TDL or part of a bigger package for us to get a true goal scorer or a good PP D man which we need more then anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underrated Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 On 12/17/2017 at 6:29 PM, D-Money said: Oh yeah, forgot he was a 2nd. I'm not suggesting that Washington wouldn't trade him, just that he's worth more than a 3rd. However, I'd suspect they'd only trade him for a better (but older) D-man. Bowey (+pick/prospect) for Gudbranson actually makes a lot more sense. And I'd pull the trigger on that for sure. This was my original thought when I saw this trade idea. They need a much better third pairing D, because they rely so heavily on the top four and give absurd minutes. A Gudbransson for Bowey trade makes more sense for Washington, and also leaves flexibility in the offseason for Washington. They can re-sign Gudbransson if Carlson leaves, or if they have cap space, but also have flexibility if Carlson signs a big deal. We'd probably have to retain salary to make it happen. I'd be more than happy to take a shot on Bowey as a young RHD who hasn't really proven himself, but could still develop into a top four guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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