thedestroyerofworlds Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 10 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: but there are so many who simply seem to refuse to work - put them to work. When you actually crunch the numbers this represents a drop in the bucket when you compare it to the money that can best be described as corporate welfare. You want waste look at the cost overruns in the Harper navy shipbuilding program. Billions was spent before even the first ship was started. The navy ends up getting fewer ships that cost way way more than if they had built the ships elsewhere and outfitted them here. This is also akin to the calls for welfare recipients passing drug tests to get welfare. Whenever it has been tried the testing program cost more than what the taxpayer saved in not having to pay druggies welfare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: She is a liberal, not a BC liberal just a liberal. i find that conclusion hilarious. Very few in BC would agree with you but I guess we can agree to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: It doesn't help the gridlock you have near Vancouver nor does it assist in moving Canadian goods to market. It should help your electrical grid needs for the future in a renewal/green manner but was the least impactful major project in terms of assisting BC/Canadian economy. PS - this isn't for me, it is for all of you in BC and people across Canada who need to have our export portals open for business as Canada is not able to live in bubble. Importing fossil fuels into Canada when most of Canada's need can be developed internally (and with much less impact on the global environment) is not logical. Having traffic gridlock for the movement of goods and services is not logical. Good thing the feds just kicked the lower mainland over $4 billion then eh? The new LRT and new skytrain expansion as well as more buses are on the way. Horgan moved fast honestly. especially when so much of that infrastructure money is just kind of sitting in limbo https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2018/04/02/federal-government-promises-4-1-billion-b-c-infrastructure/ A new agreement between Ottawa and B.C. will see the federal government spend $4.1 billion on infrastructure in the province over the next decade. Federal Infrastructure Minister Amarjeet Sohi says the money will go to transit, green infrastructure, recreation facilities, and projects in rural and northern communities. The federal and provincial governments have already reached a deal to fund a $7-billion transit expansion in the Lower Mainland over 10 years, including increased bus service, a SkyTrain along Vancouver’s Broadway corridor and light rail in Surrey. The federal and provincial governments will each cover 40 per cent of the cost, while the municipalities will raise transit fares, property taxes and other expenses to fill the remaining funding gap. B.C. Transportation Minister Claire Trevana says the agreement they signed today will see $1.1 billion put toward green infrastructure projects and $157 million will be spent on playgrounds and recreation centres. View image on Twitter Mayors' Council@mayors_council Mayors Corrigan and @MayorStewart with Ministers @SohiAmarjeet and @clairetrevena announcing signing of federal-provincial infrastructure funding program that pave the way for 10-Year Vision. Good news. Onwards! 3:06 PM - Apr 2, 2018 24 21 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy Sohi says various projects funded under the deal will create good jobs and support a greener economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, gurn said: Slavery was outlawed quite some time back. Who said anything about that? Sweden does what I am saying. Provide those who can work up to three jobs to say yes to and after that, too bad. That isn't slavery - it is logical. Why should people's hard earned resources be used to take care of people who simply refuse to work but can? There are enough people who deserve our societal support that supporting people who simply refuse to work but can....sorry, that isn't slavery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: When you actually crunch the numbers this represents a drop in the bucket when you compare it to the money that can best be described as corporate welfare. You want waste look at the cost overruns in the Harper navy shipbuilding program. Billions was spent before even the first ship was started. The navy ends up getting fewer ships that cost way way more than if they had built the ships elsewhere and outfitted them here. This is also akin to the calls for welfare recipients passing drug tests to get welfare. Whenever it has been tried the testing program cost more than what the taxpayer saved in not having to pay druggies welfare. I am not so sure about the drop in bucket. And where did I say anything about liking corporate welfare or shipbuilding program? I have no problem drug tests in public sector so why not for public sector money. I have had to take drug tests to make my living in the past - I didn't find it a problem. It isn't always about saving money but making a point about what public monies are best spent on. However, red herring to me as I believe in harm reduction through provision of drugs to people so not sure how that fits here anyway. Anyway, you in BC need to start building things that allow your economy/and that of all of Canada, to get moving again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Good thing the feds just kicked the lower mainland over $4 billion then eh? The new LRT and new skytrain expansion as well as more buses are on the way. Horgan moved fast honestly. especially when so much of that infrastructure money is just kind of sitting in limbo https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/2018/04/02/federal-government-promises-4-1-billion-b-c-infrastructure/ A new agreement between Ottawa and B.C. will see the federal government spend $4.1 billion on infrastructure in the province over the next decade. Federal Infrastructure Minister Amarjeet Sohi says the money will go to transit, green infrastructure, recreation facilities, and projects in rural and northern communities. The federal and provincial governments have already reached a deal to fund a $7-billion transit expansion in the Lower Mainland over 10 years, including increased bus service, a SkyTrain along Vancouver’s Broadway corridor and light rail in Surrey. The federal and provincial governments will each cover 40 per cent of the cost, while the municipalities will raise transit fares, property taxes and other expenses to fill the remaining funding gap. B.C. Transportation Minister Claire Trevana says the agreement they signed today will see $1.1 billion put toward green infrastructure projects and $157 million will be spent on playgrounds and recreation centres. View image on Twitter Mayors' Council@mayors_council Mayors Corrigan and @MayorStewart with Ministers @SohiAmarjeet and @clairetrevena announcing signing of federal-provincial infrastructure funding program that pave the way for 10-Year Vision. Good news. Onwards! 3:06 PM - Apr 2, 2018 24 21 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy Sohi says various projects funded under the deal will create good jobs and support a greener economy. Isn't Corrigan the buffoon who is blocking a pipeline that his city was built around over the past 60 years? PS - that is a very good thing that the Feds did here. Very happy to see this! Edited April 3, 2018 by Rob_Zepp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) Slavery really isn't outlawed, various entities have ensured however that the general cost of living continues to rise, you continue to be taxed to the gills, younger people are struggling to do much of anything never mind saving for retirement so they can leave the work force, and those that still can retire have to work longer days and more years just to do that. If the government could force you to pay for the oxygen you breathe, they would. And most of us would die. Hell, that's kind of what the carbon tax is. Edited April 3, 2018 by Tortorella's Rant 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 36 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Isn't Corrigan the buffoon who is blocking a pipeline that his city was built around over the past 60 years? PS - that is a very good thing that the Feds did here. Very happy to see this! No idea who corrigan is honestly but apparently the province is also on the verge of having the feds also fund in part the new bridge and possible tunnel replacement If they can swing that they'll be damned heroes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 More on the funding for BC (and it's kind of galling it's almost entirely earmarked for the lower mainland again) http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/ottawa-pledges-4-1b-for-b-c-infrastructure-including-transit-1.4602563 Ottawa has announced a new multibillion-dollar infrastructure deal with British Columbia, just a week after a report found the federal government was falling behind on the spending program. Federal Infrastructure Minister Amarjeet Sohi and B.C. Transportation Minister Claire Trevana signed an agreement Monday that will see $4.1 billion doled out over the next decade for transit, green infrastructure, recreation facilities, and projects in rural and northern communities across the province. Mayors' Council announces historic $7 billion transportation deal "Partnerships like this are going to have an immense effect on people's lives throughout the Lower Mainland and across the province," Trevana said. "It's going to mean better transit for everyone. It's going to mean that local infrastructure can be upgraded and work for people." The federal government is investing in infrastructure because well-maintained and efficient infrastructure is the foundation of strong communities, Sohi said. "We believe that this investment will help us achieve the vision we have for Canadian communities," he said, adding the projects will create jobs and support a green economy. Commitment follows critical report The new agreement between B.C. and Ottawa follows a report last week from parliamentary budget officer Jean-Denis Frechette's office, which found that only half of the money the Liberals earmarked for their infrastructure spending program had been allocated. The report said 10,052 projects with a combined cost to federal coffers of $7.2 billion have been approved for funding across 32 departments, agencies and Crown corporations since 2016, when the Liberals unveiled the first phase of their infrastructure program. An additional $7.2 billion had not yet been allotted. Critical PBO report lacks information on infrastructure spending, minister says Speaking in Vancouver on Monday, Sohi said the issue comes down to getting a bill. "This is not about holding back on projects or construction activity not happening," he said. "It's just a matter of cash flow for us, where we just have to wait until we get the invoices to pay out the federal contribution to our partners." Sohi vowed that "every single cent" of the $180 billion the federal government has promised for infrastructure spending over 12 years will be invested in Canadian communities. Four new B-Line express bus routes are set to come online in Metro Vancouver before the end of 2019. (Peter Scobie/CBC) Funding for transit expansion For B.C., that will include a "massive investment" in public transit, Trevana said. The federal and provincial governments have already reached a deal to fund a $7-billion transit expansion in the Lower Mainland over 10 years, including increased bus service, a SkyTrain along Vancouver's Broadway corridor and light rail in Surrey. If cities won't accommodate B-Line buses, they shouldn't get them: Mayors' Council chair The federal and provincial governments will each cover 40 per cent of the cost, while the municipalities will raise transit fares, property taxes and other expenses to fill the remaining funding gap. Trevana said the agreement will also see $1.1 billion put toward green infrastructure projects and $157 million will be spent on playgrounds and recreation centres across B.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: When anyone mumbles how Obama increased the debt then defends Harper for increasing the debt I shake my head I also chuckle when people bring up the 90s and claim one government did something. When the truth is across Canada NAFTA cost hundreds of thousands of jobs in the 90s. As well. The NDP left BC with an actual budget surplus when they left office I've linked these and more to you numerous times and you never EVER read them. Ignorance is bliss I guess https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/gabriel-yiu/bc-ndp-lost-decade_b_16252392.html http://commonsensecanadian.ca/rafe-mair-liberal-myths-ndp-distort-bcs-political-history/ I love when you're to lazy to look for yourself even though it only takes a few keystrokes. Proves you know when you're wrong and just want someone to do the work for you https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/consumer-credit Intentionally misreading the comment to ensure you don't have to answer. Who created the artificially low interest rates in canada over the last 10 years which has lead to historical rates of consumer debt Strome? Lmao you slam Harper and defend Obama. You need to learn the difference between surplus/defecit and debt. The so creds left 17 billion in debt the ndp doubled it in 10 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Strong economies create taxation revenue that can pay for infrastructure. I have no idea what Patulla Bridge is but if that is the one to get rid of your tunnel near airport that is excellent step! You need to stop spending money on things people need to do for themselves and spend money on what governments should do - shared infrastructure/services that are best funded collectively for everyone's use. Further, providing services for those who cannot take care of themselves is essential for a caring society but there are so many who simply seem to refuse to work - put them to work. Stop the mentality that has people serving coffee expecting same wage as teachers/nurses and so forth. The money can be there from changing priorities and once the infrastructure is in place and gets things flowing, the revenues will also rebound. Exactly. Those who do work and pay taxes to support our current (pretty darned easy) life-style will soon not be able to pay any more than they are already! There is a growing non-working class (who are fully capable of working) leaching from society. It's not a matter of if we no longer support this group; it's a matter of when. We will have an extremely right wing government elected in Canada, who will take very progressive measures to protect those who do contribute from those who do not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Lmao you slam Harper and defend Obama. You need to learn the difference between surplus/defecit and debt. The so creds left 17 billion in debt the ndp doubled it in 10 years. Again you refuse to read what I keep pointing out. The height of ignorance is the lack of desire to understand the facts You sir...are entirely ignorant. Completely, utterly and totally ignorant. I'm rather over trying to show you the truth or facts when you refuse to actually read them. Keep living in your bubble of stupidity pretending that the internet does not in fact have all the facts recorded on it and believing your opinion is more important or truthful than the facts. And when pressed for merit just keep attacking one single point instead of actually trying to understand the entire picture because it's safer for you to do so. It would be sad if it wasn't so regular for you. Also, is it ignorance or just a lack of intelligence to understand why bringing up Harper/Obama in that context was important? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Exactly. Those who do work and pay taxes to support our current (pretty darned easy) life-style will soon not be able to pay any more than they are already! There is a growing non-working class (who are fully capable of working) leaching from society. It's not a matter of if we no longer support this group; it's a matter of when. We will have an extremely right wing government elected in Canada, who will take very progressive measures to protect those who do contribute from those who do not. Ya..we call them baby boomers They created the system that they whine about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 45 minutes ago, Warhippy said: No idea who corrigan is honestly but apparently the province is also on the verge of having the feds also fund in part the new bridge and possible tunnel replacement If they can swing that they'll be damned heroes If that happens, I would applaud both the BC and Federal governments for sure. I don't care who the government is in name, to me it is about what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: If that happens, I would applaud both the BC and Federal governments for sure. I don't care who the government is in name, to me it is about what they do. As per the story, there's over $7 billion more dollars needing allocation. A bridge and tunnel would sure eat up a fair amount of that no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 39 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Ya..we call them baby boomers They created the system that they whine about. Boomers are worker bees. (They are, however, responsible for destroying the planet.) We are talking about a young crowd of people, who don't work, and will never work. There are plenty of jobs, but this group lives off government hand-outs. Maybe my Boomer generation created this group? I don't know, but the group does exist, it's growing, and we can't continue to afford to pay their free ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Again you refuse to read what I keep pointing out. The height of ignorance is the lack of desire to understand the facts You sir...are entirely ignorant. Completely, utterly and totally ignorant. I'm rather over trying to show you the truth or facts when you refuse to actually read them. Keep living in your bubble of stupidity pretending that the internet does not in fact have all the facts recorded on it and believing your opinion is more important or truthful than the facts. And when pressed for merit just keep attacking one single point instead of actually trying to understand the entire picture because it's safer for you to do so. It would be sad if it wasn't so regular for you. Also, is it ignorance or just a lack of intelligence to understand why bringing up Harper/Obama in that context was important? Actually I gave you facts, your response was a budget surplus. You are correct about ignorance and stupidity you just have the wrong person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Boomers are worker bees. (They are, however, responsible for destroying the planet.) We are talking about a young crowd of people, who don't work, and will never work. There are plenty of jobs, but this group lives off government hand-outs. Maybe my Boomer generation created this group? I don't know, but the group does exist, it's growing, and we can't continue to afford to pay their free ride. Uhhh....wrong again Show me some numbers to prove that. And be quick please Because the largest demographic that is not working per age is 45+ with the average age of the working poor or underemployed being ages 25 to 45 and the largest group of people accepting benefits being 45+ as well. Numbers being skewed by those taking early retirement while still maintaining functional employment http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor20a-eng.htm As for "maybe they created this group" There is no question they did. Looking at the numbers on this chart shows a large population of people looking for work but receiving little in the way of benefits. The largest group of people being underemployed or currently unemployed shows as 25-44 but are also the largest group not receiving benefits Edited April 3, 2018 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: As per the story, there's over $7 billion more dollars needing allocation. A bridge and tunnel would sure eat up a fair amount of that no? I thought the bridge would get rid of the tunnel? If some of that is for assisting with port infrastructure for the pipeline too that would great. We have to get this country moving in terms of goods and services! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted April 3, 2018 Share Posted April 3, 2018 25 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: I thought the bridge would get rid of the tunnel? If some of that is for assisting with port infrastructure for the pipeline too that would great. We have to get this country moving in terms of goods and services! I still say high speed rail from Ontario to Alberta....7 hours to cross the bulk of country vs 3 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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