Warhippy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 47 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Should be everywhere. A lecherous creep is a creep no matter political stripe. Just finding it odd that this has been so quiet because it seems so hypocritical of him if it is true (and the account sure seems to have a lot of credibility to it). Trying to compare it off to "the Conservative leader" or anyone else is not a deflection that holds water. It is same thing Trump supporters do. You are above that. This is where essential reading is important. Something you and Strome have utterly failed to do. Now you can take offense to me saying this, that's fine. I know Strome will certainly fire back with some inane babble in short order. But at no point in time am I comparing them. I am instead pointing out the laughable hypocrisy of divisive politics and the current climate in which we find ourselves. Trudeau possibly groped a woman. K that's bad. Scheer has spoken out against the LGBTQ other religions and about abortion. That's bad. Yet in keeping with current tradition the idiocy will be in a rush to outdo each other in ignoring these issues to point their finger at the other guy as though somehow what the other guy did is so much worse It's pretty laughable honestly, the hypocrisy is so glaring people refuse to accept that someone can be speaking of both sides in their rush to self righteous condemnation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: This is where essential reading is important. Something you and Strome have utterly failed to do. Now you can take offense to me saying this, that's fine. I know Strome will certainly fire back with some inane babble in short order. But at no point in time am I comparing them. I am instead pointing out the laughable hypocrisy of divisive politics and the current climate in which we find ourselves. Trudeau possibly groped a woman. K that's bad. Scheer has spoken out against the LGBTQ other religions and about abortion. That's bad. Yet in keeping with current tradition the idiocy will be in a rush to outdo each other in ignoring these issues to point their finger at the other guy as though somehow what the other guy did is so much worse It's pretty laughable honestly, the hypocrisy is so glaring people refuse to accept that someone can be speaking of both sides in their rush to self righteous condemnation. I am not talking about Scheer and have not a clue why he is involved in this discussion. I fully read the article about Trudeau and was discussing that. I also have no clue why I am mentioned with "Strome" as I didnt' consult with him, have no idea who he is and do not really care one way or another about what he thinks about this story as he didn't write it or was involved. This has nothing to do with divisive politics. This is a thread about Trudeau and this seemed relevant. The divisive nature comes when people bring in others as if to say "sure he is bad but not as bad as"..... I am not ignoring anything. I have said, a creep is as creep. If there is another thread and a story about another creep then let's talk about him/her there. Cheers....carry on with Strome doing whatever it is you two do but that has nothing to do with me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: its not clear what actually happened, and thats part of the problem. It should be investigated as to exactly what happened. Are we talking about a hand on a shoulder? a hug? something far worse? the paper's editor used the word "grope" but thats not evidence of anything. I'm sure the reporter remembers it well, hopefully she'll come forward and say what actually happened. She should be able to do it anonymously as well imo, I'm sure that could be arranged in some way. As it stands right now, it isn't even an allegation, for that there needs to be an accuser which we do not have yet. This is a third party account which fails to even explain what happened. Even the quotes of Trudeau provide very little. We don't know what Trudeau means by "being forward". The author then cherrypicks the word "handling" without providing any context on how it was used. Then he throws in the word "grope" for shock value. It's poor journalism when the reader is left to guess what happened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: I am not talking about Scheer and have not a clue why he is involved in this discussion. I fully read the article about Trudeau and was discussing that. I also have no clue why I am mentioned with "Strome" as I didnt' consult with him, have no idea who he is and do not really care one way or another about what he thinks about this story as he didn't write it or was involved. This has nothing to do with divisive politics. This is a thread about Trudeau and this seemed relevant. The divisive nature comes when people bring in others as if to say "sure he is bad but not as bad as"..... I am not ignoring anything. I have said, a creep is as creep. If there is another thread and a story about another creep then let's talk about him/her there. Cheers....carry on with Strome doing whatever it is you two do but that has nothing to do with me. OK then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 23 minutes ago, Toews said: As it stands right now, it isn't even an allegation, for that there needs to be an accuser which we do not have yet. This is a third party account which fails to even explain what happened. Even the quotes of Trudeau provide very little. We don't know what Trudeau means by "being forward". The author then cherrypicks the word "handling" without providing any context on how it was used. Then he throws in the word "grope" for shock value. It's poor journalism when the reader is left to guess what happened. There was an apology....and that's the issue for me. It reportedly wasn't "I'm sorry for what I did" but, rather, "If I'd have known who you were". That's an issue...because you can't pick and choose and "target" that way. That makes it more of a sneaky position of weakness over power deal. But, truth be told, I honestly don't like this going back decades to cherry pick people of (now) status in order to assassinate their character so much. To revisit and scrutinize anything that, in the time, may have been different and, by way of that, ok. Times WERE different two decades ago and, unfortunately, groping wasn't in the same light and often was done tongue in cheek as a way to "hit" on others or see if they responded favorably. We've learned and evolved a lot since then and that's escalated recently. Was a grope a hand on her back? Pushing her hair off her shoulder to whisper something? If so, what? I am not JT's biggest supporter, however, I hate witch hunts and dramatics. So I, too, need to know more before I crucify him. Been super busy, so will dig a little deeper. Rapes and other atrocities took place and this is an important "movement", however, where are the lines drawn? We have to keep context over what was appropriate then and now. It used to be that a man swooping in for a kiss was "flattering" ... but we've come to recognize boundaries and personal space as we should. Remember, there were days when ads showed that a woman should be dressed in heels and a dress, holding a broom in the kitchen as she prepared for her husband's return home from work so she could "serve" him dinner. Things are changing and equality is a beautiful thing....it just can't undo things that were done in a different time and light. So, unless it was cut and dry and a clear assault, it gets a little blurry for me. Just jumping in here, so don't have all the facts and might need to re examine my stance....which, basically is: what are all the facts (before I persecute). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: There was an apology....and that's the issue for me. It reportedly wasn't "I'm sorry for what I did" but, rather, "If I'd have known who you were". That's an issue...because you can't pick and choose and "target" that way. That makes it more of a sneaky position of weakness over power deal. But, truth be told, I honestly don't like this going back decades to cherry pick people of (now) status in order to assassinate their character so much. To revisit and scrutinize anything that, in the time, may have been different and, by way of that, ok. Times WERE different two decades ago and, unfortunately, groping wasn't in the same light and often was done tongue in cheek as a way to "hit" on others or see if they responded favorably. We've learned and evolved a lot since then and that's escalated recently. Was a grope a hand on her back? Pushing her hair off her shoulder to whisper something? If so, what? I am not JT's biggest supporter, however, I hate witch hunts and dramatics. So I, too, need to know more before I crucify him. Been super busy, so will dig a little deeper. Rapes and other atrocities took place and this is an important "movement", however, where are the lines drawn? We have to keep context over what was appropriate then and now. It used to be that a man swooping in for a kiss was "flattering" ... but we've come to recognize boundaries and personal space as we should. Remember, there were days when ads showed that a woman should be dressed in heels and a dress, holding a broom in the kitchen as she prepared for her husband's return home from work so she could "serve" him dinner. Things are changing and equality is a beautiful thing....it just can't undo things that were done in a different time and light. So, unless it was cut and dry and a clear assault, it gets a little blurry for me. Just jumping in here, so don't have all the facts and might need to re examine my stance....which, basically is: what are all the facts (before I persecute). It would be good if he did come forward with the details, it would protect the anonymity of the reporter (assuming she still has that) and get it all out in the open. The only thing you can do at this point is let the voting public decide on how big an issue it is. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to come forward and have some moment like this define the rest of your career, so imo he should clarify the issue, its not going to go away. If it was some awkward moment where he was hitting on someone just own it. Maybe thats where the "if I had known" stuff comes from? who knows but I'd like to see him address it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said: its not clear what actually happened, and thats part of the problem. It should be investigated as to exactly what happened. Are we talking about a hand on a shoulder? a hug? something far worse? the paper's editor used the word "grope" but thats not evidence of anything. I'm sure the reporter remembers it well, hopefully she'll come forward and say what actually happened. She should be able to do it anonymously as well imo, I'm sure that could be arranged in some way. I’m sure they will get right on that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I think the main thing agreed upon is that Trudeau is terrible and why cant we have someone like Trump MCGAing??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said: I think the main thing agreed upon is that Trudeau is terrible and why cant we have someone like Trump MCGAing??? We need more Ford Nation, Scheerly anyone can see that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: We need more Ford Nation, Scheerly anyone can see that Think Ford would accept the title of Arch-Duke if Trump were to become Emperor of North America? Of should i say Emperor of Awesomeness and MCGA!!!! Edited June 28, 2018 by Ronaldoescobar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said: Think Ford would accept the title of Arch-Duke if Trump were to become Emperor of North America? Of should i say Emperor of Awesomeness and MCGA!!!! I think the honorific would be The Grand High Super Duty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 2018-06-28 at 10:13 AM, Warhippy said: This is where essential reading is important. Something you and Strome have utterly failed to do. Now you can take offense to me saying this, that's fine. I know Strome will certainly fire back with some inane babble in short order. But at no point in time am I comparing them. I am instead pointing out the laughable hypocrisy of divisive politics and the current climate in which we find ourselves. Trudeau possibly groped a woman. K that's bad. Scheer has spoken out against the LGBTQ other religions and about abortion. That's bad. Yet in keeping with current tradition the idiocy will be in a rush to outdo each other in ignoring these issues to point their finger at the other guy as though somehow what the other guy did is so much worse It's pretty laughable honestly, the hypocrisy is so glaring people refuse to accept that someone can be speaking of both sides in their rush to self righteous condemnation. Why bother you can't even recognize what you're doing. Btw I never jumped all over JT for this. So I guess I didn't ignore Scheer and attack JT right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 On 2018-06-28 at 10:13 AM, Warhippy said: Yet in keeping with current tradition the idiocy will be in a rush to outdo each other in ignoring these issues to point their finger at the other guy as though somehow what the other guy did is so much worse Funny thing is you are the only one doing this and you're doing it while saying you are not doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Funny thing is you are the only one doing this and you're doing it while saying you are not doing it. Ok bud. But hey. How about that groping incident amirite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Ok bud. But hey. How about that groping incident amirite Try to find one post of mine even mentioning it. But hey keep assuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: Try to find one post of mine even mentioning it. But hey keep assuming. Am not saying you posted it, am asking your opinion on it. Stop being so damned sensitive all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 19 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Am not saying you posted it, am asking your opinion on it. Stop being so damned sensitive all the time Lol I'm not sensitive hip. I don't really care if he allegedly was drunk and made advances but if he did he sure looks like a hypocrite doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyBoy44 Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Lol I'm not sensitive hip. I don't really care if he allegedly was drunk and made advances but if he did he sure looks like a hypocrite doesn't he? I mostly agree with this. Doesn't matter to me what people do on off time. Michael Jackson apparently liked kids alot. Never stopped me from buying his music. Lol not that I'd ever vote for this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 22 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Lol I'm not sensitive hip. I don't really care if he allegedly was drunk and made advances but if he did he sure looks like a hypocrite doesn't he? And now we're getting to the point I was making. Hypocritical to hold someone accountable for their actions almost 2 decades ago while ignoring the same kind of stuff from their chosen political pony. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 30, 2018 Share Posted June 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Warhippy said: And now we're getting to the point I was making. Hypocritical to hold someone accountable for their actions almost 2 decades ago while ignoring the same kind of stuff from their chosen political pony. No? Hip, I never said anything about it. Hypocritical based on his own words and actions. Can you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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