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22 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Hip, I never said anything about it. Hypocritical based on his own words and actions. Can you agree?

I think maybe you misunderstood me as I'm not speaking of you at all in any specific sense.

 

I am speaking of the current political climate.  People REFUSE to accept their own pony or chosen horse has committed horrible acts in their past while racing to point their fingers at the person they don't likes past issues instead.

 

Example, look at ANY comments section about Trudeaus groping mess 18 years ago.  Everyone in a rush to decry what he did and how he's a hypocrite but they ignore the guy they'll vote for entire lifestyle prior to becoming party leader.

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From the media outlet and the reporter herself RE: the groping

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-grope-allegation-1.4730674

 

An unsigned editorial appeared in the Creston Valley Advance after the event accusing Trudeau of "groping" and "inappropriately handling" a young female reporter while she was on assignment. It suggests the woman felt "blatantly disrespected" but provides no other details about what occurre

 

Earlier this year, CBC News spoke by phone and emailed with the woman who was the subject of the editorial. She said she was not interested in being associated with any further coverage of the story. She also asked that her name not be used and that she not be contacted about the story again.

A former co-worker remembers the reporter's account of the encounter. Valerie Bourne was the publisher of the Creston Valley Advance at the time and says the reporter was "distressed" by her contact with Trudeau.

"My recollections of the conversation were that she came to me because she was unsettled by it. She didn't like what had happened. She wasn't sure how she should proceed with it because of course we're talking somebody who was known to the Canadian community."

There's no question in my mind that what was alluded to, written about in that editorial, did happen.- Brian Bell, Creston Valley Advance editor

Bourne told CBC News that the reporter was interviewing Trudeau when he touched her. "It was a brief touch," said Bourne.

"I would not classify it or qualify it as sexual assault."

The paper's editor at the time, Brian Bell, also spoke to CBC News.

"I don't recall that the reporter was coming across as having been traumatized or distraught about it, but definitely that, whatever physical touch or whatever had occurred in that moment was definitely not welcome and definitely inappropriate.

"I certainly believe that it happened, this reporter was of a high character in my opinion and was professional in the way she conducted herself and there's no question in my mind that what was alluded to, written about in that editorial, did happen."

Bourne believes the editorial was written by the reporter herself. Both Bourne and Bell say they did not write the editorial and that it must have been one of the two reporters on staff. The second reporter, Paul Frey, told The National Post that he didn't know anything about it.

 

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5 minutes ago, RottenCanuck22 said:

Just made a post about the grope not realizing there’s a thread on the traitor already. 

When you say traitor you of course mean what again?

 

The duly elected PM of our country?  Or the business group and the politicians openly supporting a president in another country in harming our nation economically?

 

Do tell

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On 2018-06-29 at 7:59 PM, Warhippy said:

I think maybe you misunderstood me as I'm not speaking of you at all in any specific sense.

 

I am speaking of the current political climate.  People REFUSE to accept their own pony or chosen horse has committed horrible acts in their past while racing to point their fingers at the person they don't likes past issues instead.

 

Example, look at ANY comments section about Trudeaus groping mess 18 years ago.  Everyone in a rush to decry what he did and how he's a hypocrite but they ignore the guy they'll vote for entire lifestyle prior to becoming party leader.

Why I loathe them all and support none.

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2 minutes ago, riffraff said:

Why I loathe them all and support none.

I actually hope for a return to the true conservative values that helped make this country great in the same way I hope for the same return to truly liberal values for the same reason.

 

But sadly...there is to much divisiveness and blurring of party lines and a true loss of those values on both sides to even make that possible.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I actually hope for a return to the true conservative values that helped make this country great in the same way I hope for the same return to truly liberal values for the same reason.

 

But sadly...there is to much divisiveness and blurring of party lines and a true loss of those values on both sides to even make that possible.

 

 

Let's all vote Libertarian. Hell they can't do any worse.

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5 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Let's all vote Libertarian. Hell they can't do any worse.

When people say no to proportional representation....this is why I shake my head in wonder.

 

"fringe candidates/parties" still own support by and from the people.

 

I don't care if we have 2 parties running parliament or 20, as long as the people are listened too, and if the people wanted 10 libertarians and 3 pirates well they deserve it.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Warhippy said:

I actually hope for a return to the true conservative values that helped make this country great in the same way I hope for the same return to truly liberal values for the same reason.

 

But sadly...there is to much divisiveness and blurring of party lines and a true loss of those values on both sides to even make that possible.

 

 

The leaders need to have had these values throughout there lives and the confidence/integrity to maintain them once elected.

 

thats a huge ask.

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People can talk GropeGate and ClimateBarbie all they want but I think what will be the real reason for the one and done Trudeau in Canada is his treatment of Canada's veterans.

“TREATED LIKE ROADKILL” – A VETERAN’S EXPERIENCE WITH THE TRUDEAU GOVERNMENT

 

An excerpt....

TRUDEAU’S BROKEN PLEDGE

Cousineau remembers very clearly when Justin Trudeau pledged in Belleville to support Canada’s Veterans. He laid out his program and promised to do better than the previous government.

 

Instead, he took Veterans to court to make them return lifelong pensions.

 

Cousineau was not a big fan of the previous Conservative government. He was even invited by Justin Trudeau to visit with the Liberal Caucus when Trudeau was in opposition. When they met, Trudeau promised Cousineau that he would be there to help him.

 

But now, Cousineau’s disillusionment with the Trudeau Liberals is even worse than it was towards the Conservatives.

 

Said Cousineau, “It’s taken me 15 months to get as fed up with the Liberals as I did with the Conservatives after 8 years.”

 

Cousineau said he had a great working relationship with previous Veterans Affairs Ministers Erin O’Toole and Julian Fantino, and “had respect that we got work done.”

 

“At least the Harper government knew what they didn’t know and were willing to address it,” Cousineau said. In contrast, the new government “just has talking points. They have their talking points, they won’t move off them, they won’t listen, it’s extremely disingenuous.”

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Justin Trudeau is losing the argument on border crossings, poll suggests

 

Justin Trudeau is losing the argument on border crossings, poll suggests

More Canadians trust Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer than Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on border crossings

 
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Éric Grenier · CBC News · Posted: Aug 03, 2018 3:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 3 minutes ago
 
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A new poll suggests Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is losing ground with Canadians over the issue of irregular border migration. (Patrick Doyle/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
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A new poll suggests Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals are losing the political debate over the issue of irregular border crossings.

 

A majority of Canadians polled by the Angus Reid Institute say that the number of asylum seekers crossing into the country is too high, while a plurality point to Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer as the best major party leader to handle the issue.

The survey comes as the federal Conservatives and provincial governments put pressure on the Liberals to take control of what they've called a "crisis" — a sentiment that the poll suggests is also shared by a majority of respondents.

The poll — which was conducted between July 25-30 based on interviews with 1,500 members of the Angus Reid Forum, an online panel — suggests that the border issue is resonating with Canadians. Fully 70 per cent of respondents to the poll said they were either "following it in the news and discussing it with friends and family" or "seeing some media coverage and having the odd conversation."

But despite the high level of interest, only 22 per cent of respondents were able to correctly identify the number of irregular border crossers in 2017. About half of the respondents thought the number was over 50,000, when it's actually closer to 30,000.

Those who overestimated the rate of border crossings were also more likely to consider the situation a 'crisis' than those who either underestimated the number or gave the correct figure.

'Too generous'

Nevertheless, once informed about the actual number of crossings, 65 per cent of those polled said they felt that it was "too many people for Canada to handle," with only 29 per cent stating that it's a "manageable number of people." Just six per cent said they felt Canada could handle more border crossers.

 

People who voted for the Conservatives in the last election were far more likely to say the number was too high than Liberals or New Democrat supporters. Younger and more educated respondents were more likely to say that the number of irregular border crossers was manageable.

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The poll records that the share of Canadians who believe that the country has been "too generous" to asylum seekers increased to 58 per cent from 53 per cent since September.

 

By a margin of two-to-one, Canadians said that the situation is a crisis. The question polled, however, only gave respondents a choice between two statements — "Canada's ability to handle the situation is at a limit," or "The situation is being overblown by politicians and the media" — which leaves little room for nuance.

 

Ralph Goodale, the minister for public safety, has called the situation a "challenge", though not one that the government is unable to handle.

 
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While 87 per cent of respondents who voted for the Conservatives in the last election called it a crisis, that percentage fell to 55 and 56 per cent, respectively, among New Democrats and Liberals. In Quebec, where the vast majority of the crossings have taken place, the percentage who said it was a crisis was no different than in the country as a whole.

 

The ARI poll suggests that the issue could be a political problem for the Liberals. When asked which major party leader they trusted most to handle the irregular border crossings, 48 per cent chose Scheer — including 30 per cent of people who voted for the Liberals in 2015.

 

Trudeau followed with 35 per cent, while NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh came in third with 16 per cent.

 

A recent survey by Abacus Data shows how the issue has the potential to seriously sap the Liberals' re-election chances in 2019. Among the 57 per cent who said they would like to see a change of government, 42 per cent cited immigration/refugees as one of the reasons they want a change — second only to the issue of debt and deficits.

 

But the Abacus survey shows that the issue has particular resonance among voters on the right side of the political spectrum. A majority of voters who want change and who would consider voting for the Conservative Party listed immigration and refugees as one of their top motivating factors. Only a quarter of potential NDP voters said the same.

Fear or opportunism?

The Angus Reid Institute survey suggests that Canadians want to see more of a priority placed on border security than on welcoming and assisting refugees. It also shows some doubts about the legitimacy of those asylum seekers, particularly among Conservatives.

Though 27 per cent of respondents said that most or all of the border crossers were "genuine refugees" fleeing danger, 40 per cent said they believe that most or all of them are "looking for economic opportunities." The remainder believe the border crossers are driven by a mix of both motivations.

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But only 27 per cent of Liberal and NDP voters say that the border crossers are mostly economic migrants — compared to nearly two-thirds of Conservatives who say they believe that's the case.

The vast majority of respondents said that "assigning police, immigration officers and technology (such as drones) to monitor and secure the unguarded areas of our border" is an important or major priority, while the country was split down the middle on whether "getting new arrivals safely into Canada and providing medical, housing and other needed assistance" was an important priority.

 

According to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the RCMP intercepted just under 11,000 people at irregular border crossings in the first six months of this year. In June, the number of irregular crossings dropped to 1,263 from 1,869 the previous month.

 


The survey by the Angus Reid Institute was conducted July 25-30, 2018, interviewing 1,500 members of the Angus Reid Forum over the Internet. A probabilistic sample of this size would yield a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

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37 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Justin Trudeau is losing the argument on border crossings, poll suggests

 

Justin Trudeau is losing the argument on border crossings, poll suggests

More Canadians trust Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer than Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on border crossings

 

its easy to scare people with the barbarians at the gate argument the CPC like to recycle in different ways.

 

I think once things are explained to people the poll would be very different. Maybe not on the conservative side but on the centre-to-left. Thats why election campaigns matter, people pay more attention and more facts come out particularly in the debates. 

 

The number of "irregulars" for lack of a better term isn't anything close to a crisis, its about 10% of our annual immigration. Its significant but its not deserving of the fear mongering Michelle Rempel is trying to pull off. 

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6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

its easy to scare people with the barbarians at the gate argument the CPC like to recycle in different ways.

 

I think once things are explained to people the poll would be very different. Maybe not on the conservative side but on the centre-to-left. Thats why election campaigns matter, people pay more attention and more facts come out particularly in the debates. 

 

The number of "irregulars" for lack of a better term isn't anything close to a crisis, its about 10% of our annual immigration. Its significant but its not deserving of the fear mongering Michelle Rempel is trying to pull off. 

You have Trump south,  Ford in the most populous area and the Scheer madness on the right in Canada

 

rest assured the sheep will be scrubbed clean of anything resembling common sense before the election

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47 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Justin Trudeau is losing the argument on border crossings, poll suggests

 

Justin Trudeau is losing the argument on border crossings, poll suggests

More Canadians trust Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer than Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on border crossings

 
eric-grenier.jpg
Éric Grenier · CBC News · Posted: Aug 03, 2018 3:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 3 minutes ago
 
child-migrants-trudeau-20180620.jpg
A new poll suggests Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is losing ground with Canadians over the issue of irregular border migration. (Patrick Doyle/THE CANADIAN PRESS)
3336 comments
 

A new poll suggests Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's Liberals are losing the political debate over the issue of irregular border crossings.

 

A majority of Canadians polled by the Angus Reid Institute say that the number of asylum seekers crossing into the country is too high, while a plurality point to Conservative Leader Andrew Scheer as the best major party leader to handle the issue.

The survey comes as the federal Conservatives and provincial governments put pressure on the Liberals to take control of what they've called a "crisis" — a sentiment that the poll suggests is also shared by a majority of respondents.

The poll — which was conducted between July 25-30 based on interviews with 1,500 members of the Angus Reid Forum, an online panel — suggests that the border issue is resonating with Canadians. Fully 70 per cent of respondents to the poll said they were either "following it in the news and discussing it with friends and family" or "seeing some media coverage and having the odd conversation."

But despite the high level of interest, only 22 per cent of respondents were able to correctly identify the number of irregular border crossers in 2017. About half of the respondents thought the number was over 50,000, when it's actually closer to 30,000.

Those who overestimated the rate of border crossings were also more likely to consider the situation a 'crisis' than those who either underestimated the number or gave the correct figure.

'Too generous'

Nevertheless, once informed about the actual number of crossings, 65 per cent of those polled said they felt that it was "too many people for Canada to handle," with only 29 per cent stating that it's a "manageable number of people." Just six per cent said they felt Canada could handle more border crossers.

 

People who voted for the Conservatives in the last election were far more likely to say the number was too high than Liberals or New Democrat supporters. Younger and more educated respondents were more likely to say that the number of irregular border crossers was manageable.

BLAIR_FTR_2500kbps_852x480_1291684419509
 
Blair on Angus Reid refugee poll
 WATCH
 
00:00 01:25
 
Minister of Border Security Bill Blair offers his take on an Angus Reid poll suggesting Canadians think too many refugees are crossing into Canada 1:25

The poll records that the share of Canadians who believe that the country has been "too generous" to asylum seekers increased to 58 per cent from 53 per cent since September.

 

By a margin of two-to-one, Canadians said that the situation is a crisis. The question polled, however, only gave respondents a choice between two statements — "Canada's ability to handle the situation is at a limit," or "The situation is being overblown by politicians and the media" — which leaves little room for nuance.

 

Ralph Goodale, the minister for public safety, has called the situation a "challenge", though not one that the government is unable to handle.

 
border-poll.png
(CBC News)

While 87 per cent of respondents who voted for the Conservatives in the last election called it a crisis, that percentage fell to 55 and 56 per cent, respectively, among New Democrats and Liberals. In Quebec, where the vast majority of the crossings have taken place, the percentage who said it was a crisis was no different than in the country as a whole.

 

The ARI poll suggests that the issue could be a political problem for the Liberals. When asked which major party leader they trusted most to handle the irregular border crossings, 48 per cent chose Scheer — including 30 per cent of people who voted for the Liberals in 2015.

 

Trudeau followed with 35 per cent, while NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh came in third with 16 per cent.

 

A recent survey by Abacus Data shows how the issue has the potential to seriously sap the Liberals' re-election chances in 2019. Among the 57 per cent who said they would like to see a change of government, 42 per cent cited immigration/refugees as one of the reasons they want a change — second only to the issue of debt and deficits.

 

But the Abacus survey shows that the issue has particular resonance among voters on the right side of the political spectrum. A majority of voters who want change and who would consider voting for the Conservative Party listed immigration and refugees as one of their top motivating factors. Only a quarter of potential NDP voters said the same.

Fear or opportunism?

The Angus Reid Institute survey suggests that Canadians want to see more of a priority placed on border security than on welcoming and assisting refugees. It also shows some doubts about the legitimacy of those asylum seekers, particularly among Conservatives.

Though 27 per cent of respondents said that most or all of the border crossers were "genuine refugees" fleeing danger, 40 per cent said they believe that most or all of them are "looking for economic opportunities." The remainder believe the border crossers are driven by a mix of both motivations.

TORY_MONEY_2500kbps_852x480_129169568371
 
Tory on $11-million for refugees
 WATCH
 
00:00 01:16
 
Toronto Mayor John Toronto on the $11-million from the federal government for the housing of refugees 1:16

 

But only 27 per cent of Liberal and NDP voters say that the border crossers are mostly economic migrants — compared to nearly two-thirds of Conservatives who say they believe that's the case.

The vast majority of respondents said that "assigning police, immigration officers and technology (such as drones) to monitor and secure the unguarded areas of our border" is an important or major priority, while the country was split down the middle on whether "getting new arrivals safely into Canada and providing medical, housing and other needed assistance" was an important priority.

 

According to Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada, the RCMP intercepted just under 11,000 people at irregular border crossings in the first six months of this year. In June, the number of irregular crossings dropped to 1,263 from 1,869 the previous month.

 


The survey by the Angus Reid Institute was conducted July 25-30, 2018, interviewing 1,500 members of the Angus Reid Forum over the Internet. A probabilistic sample of this size would yield a margin of error of +/- 2.5 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

We are moving, as a society, to the right with several issues: border security, safer streets, and universal healthcare costs.

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12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

its easy to scare people with the barbarians at the gate argument the CPC like to recycle in different ways.

 

I think once things are explained to people the poll would be very different. Maybe not on the conservative side but on the centre-to-left. Thats why election campaigns matter, people pay more attention and more facts come out particularly in the debates. 

 

The number of "irregulars" for lack of a better term isn't anything close to a crisis, its about 10% of our annual immigration. Its significant but its not deserving of the fear mongering Michelle Rempel is trying to pull off. 

I agree to a point Jimmy.   I am becoming less convinced all the time that "explaining" solves anything.   People seem to keep hard and fast their first impression of issues and the massively divisive pictures from the US are emblazened on people's minds in Canada as they are in Europe.   I think this, the carbon tax and the gropegate (which will come back to life) will be hit hard by those who are anti-Trudeau and it will work.

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7 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

You have Trump south,  Ford in the most populous area and the Scheer madness on the right in Canada

 

rest assured the sheep will be scrubbed clean of anything resembling common sense before the election

Warhippy, I don't share your optimism for the sheep being able to see past these sorts of headlines.    

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41 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

 

I don't trust any poll.

 

I don't know anyone who takes them.

I also don't trust an internet forum.

 

I have trust issues....not to mention, I think I can smell your intention.

My intention is to show what the rest of Canada is starting to see and what the world is trending to see.   You are becoming the victim of what is going on in the US and the surprising thing is the majority (hence, poll results) in places like Europe and Canada are trending in support of the very thing that you would think they wouldn't be.

 

I think this and carbon tax will undo the guy with the nice hair in Canada.   Gropegate will be icing for media.

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8 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Warhippy, I don't share your optimism for the sheep being able to see past these sorts of headlines.    

Just slap the same erroneous cherry picked single line statement from 29 pages of report and push it out of context towards the idiocy between the hours of news at 5 and 10 and 11 for the blue hairs and boom.

 

Them scary immugruntz is dakking der jerbs

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