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do we need someone else in management  

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1 minute ago, riffraff said:

Really?

 

so them having a great chance of not making the playoffs this year is due to blundering management?

Their prolonged rebuild was due to incompetent management.  First they were rebuilding around Gagner-Cogliano, but couldn't build anything around them.  Then they tried again around Hall-Eberle-RNH, but again couldn't build anything around them.  It wasn't until McDavid came in and the emergence of Draisaitl that they started to improve.  Of course Chiarelli has made his own blunders (Hall for Larsson, Eberle for Strome) that the team lacks depth up front now.

 

The Lowe-McTavish-Tambellini regimes all ignored goaltending and defense, relying on bandaid and low quality signings to address those holes.  

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45 minutes ago, THINKER said:

I honestly can't believe the results of the poll.  How can anyone who's paid attention to this team over the last 4 years want to keep things the same?  This is one of the worst teams in the NHL and it's because of their incompetent management that has bled value, traded away more draft picks and prospects than the previous regime, blown 2 of the highest draft picks this team has had in decades, and has suffered massive pro scouting failures.

 

Fire Benning, Fire Linden, Fire Weisbrod.  

 

44 minutes ago, THINKER said:

Except we're not rebuilding.  This is just a veteran team that's poorly constructed and sucks.

 

Rebuilding teams stockpile draft picks and prospects.  Benning so far has traded those away.  How is that ar ebuild?

32 minutes ago, THINKER said:

Edmonton's demise has been due to incompetent management that didn't understand how to build a hockey team, kinda like what we have right now.  

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33 minutes ago, THINKER said:

Their prolonged rebuild was due to incompetent management.  First they were rebuilding around Gagner-Cogliano, but couldn't build anything around them.  Then they tried again around Hall-Eberle-RNH, but again couldn't build anything around them.  It wasn't until McDavid came in and the emergence of Draisaitl that they started to improve.  Of course Chiarelli has made his own blunders (Hall for Larsson, Eberle for Strome) that the team lacks depth up front now.

 

The Lowe-McTavish-Tambellini regimes all ignored goaltending and defense, relying on bandaid and low quality signings to address those holes.  

The problem with the oilers was always their drafting. You can't build a team from the ground up by trading assets that you Don't have. Their drafting outside of the top picks was horrendous. 

The Canucks future will also be baced on how well we draft and whether they allow time to get the organization depth up to a high level. As fans we should all hope that they focus on drafting their way back to health. 

We will never compete for a cup if we Don't.

Benning and Linden seem to be getting better as they go. 

Sometimes the evil you know is better then the one you Don't.

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I like TL where he is. He's passionate about this city and team. He wants success.

It seems everyone is assuming it's management waiting to see how this season ends, but there's little to no consideration being given to the thought that JB may not be entirely comfortable being under the microscope that comes with the GM job; especially in Canadian markets.

It doesn't take long to recognize his discomfort with public speaking or being in front of a camera on a regular basis. 

 

I think that Benning should not speak to the media at all, let Linden speak to the public in a PR manner.  Benning is not accountable to the fans by talking to the media.   He can only speak to the media after the trades is made, or contract is signed or after the draft table.  He can be a GM and not speaking to media at the same time is what it should be and let Linden speak to the media as an update so that Benning can focus on his job.  More minutes spent talking to media is minutes wasted distracted from his job by the phone talking with 30 other GM on any potential deals or any update from his scouting staff on any pro or amateur side of things or doing research on over 1000 potential prospects worldwide and 700 other NHL players, including fringe NHlers to see whether he could help this club.   So therefore, I do not think Benning should be speaking to media at all except for task done by him.  I see him at the press box during the game anytime the camera panned on Linden and Benning is that Benning looks at the paper doing some research on anything so he is working during games analyzing on what's going on over there, even scouting Canucks' opponents for any potential goods that could have been made in the future.

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On 04/01/2018 at 3:43 AM, xereau said:

Give these guys three seasons after the Sedin era.  The rebuild hasn't even really begun yet.  This has all been the preamble.

Clarity in a minefield of jumble from the OP.  I've had the same mindset since the beginning, that the team is on a holding pattern until they depart and we really won't know if what we've got is enough to sink or swim.  Pencilling in two thirds of our most promising prospects makes for fun debate but it's as you say, preamble.

 

Take the long view and look at all teams that have been at the top of the league for a stretch of time, then have to pay the piper and it's an interesting exercise.   Given we never won the cup we can't really compare ourselves to Det, COl, PIT, EDM, NYI etc, but the regular season success is similar enough for us to fall into the same catagotizations as far as rebuilding is concerned.  The bottom line is any team as good as we were, with the exception of DET who managed to bridge their two very different teams with Lidstrom, Zetterberg,  Datsyuk and Osgood and keep at or near the top, has gone through a very long process to get back on top. Decades in some cases, not happened yet in others.

 

To expect Benning to break that mold is a bit ludicrous, but give him credit for trying and you never know, but realistically we are looking at the core after Horvats to be the next great team.  It certainly fits the pattern.  Anything less would make him a master guru GM and of course that's what I'm hoping for.  Draft draft draft.  It's the best path back.  

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27 minutes ago, IBatch said:

To expect Benning to break that mold is a bit ludicrous, but give him credit for trying and you never know, but realistically we are looking at the core after Horvats to be the next great team.  It certainly fits the pattern.  Anything less would make him a master guru GM and of course that's what I'm hoping for.  Draft draft draft.  It's the best path back.  

We're only a few short years away from being a decade removed from our last cup run. Horvat will be 25+/- and just entering the meat of his prime (along with hopefully a good number of our other prospects entering/scratching the surface of their primes).

 

Guys who likely won't be around are the Granlund's, Baer's etc and certainly not the vet UFA's CDC likes to fret about.

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2 hours ago, Honky Cat said:

Add Ed Willes to the group of reporters (Moj,Patterson) that do not think JB will be extended....??

I still think he will get signed to a  new contract. It was just a short time ago that Aquallini was praising him and saying he has done a good job, i would be surprised if this has changed.

 

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18 hours ago, THINKER said:

Their prolonged rebuild was due to incompetent management.  First they were rebuilding around Gagner-Cogliano, but couldn't build anything around them.  Then they tried again around Hall-Eberle-RNH, but again couldn't build anything around them.  It wasn't until McDavid came in and the emergence of Draisaitl that they started to improve.  Of course Chiarelli has made his own blunders (Hall for Larsson, Eberle for Strome) that the team lacks depth up front now.

 

The Lowe-McTavish-Tambellini regimes all ignored goaltending and defense, relying on bandaid and low quality signings to address those holes.  

Look, know you joined a few days ago just to knock Jim Benning but to use the Oilers as success example with arguably the world's best player and payment to another if he is the second best and yet they are stuck in same standings position with the Canuck team that has been devastated by injuries and according to you is only blessed with crappy players - well, you need better bait buddy.   Why not at least offer up a comparison of a team headed in the right direction instead of a trainwreck of an organization that has taken more first overall picks than any team over the past 20 years and turned into a complete mess let alone the "dynasty" many were talking about after a year last year propped up by a goalie who simply played over his head and a team that won more than 15 games they were outplayed in but got "bounces".

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19 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Look, know you joined a few days ago just to knock Jim Benning but to use the Oilers as success example with arguably the world's best player and payment to another if he is the second best and yet they are stuck in same standings position with the Canuck team that has been devastated by injuries and according to you is only blessed with crappy players - well, you need better bait buddy.   Why not at least offer up a comparison of a team headed in the right direction instead of a trainwreck of an organization that has taken more first overall picks than any team over the past 20 years and turned into a complete mess let alone the "dynasty" many were talking about after a year last year propped up by a goalie who simply played over his head and a team that won more than 15 games they were outplayed in but got "bounces".

According to 'Thinker's account, he joined 11 years ago, yet only 14 posts.

Only real question here is, who removed the rock, he was hiding under..... 

Troll

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47 minutes ago, spook007 said:

According to 'Thinker's account, he joined 11 years ago, yet only 14 posts.

Only real question here is, who removed the rock, he was hiding under..... 

Troll

Zero activity until a few days ago - perhaps the 11 years was an account opened when he/she/it entered a two-year trolling course and it is now activated upon graduation?    The possibilities of background story are endless.   :)

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2 hours ago, spook007 said:

According to 'Thinker's account, he joined 11 years ago, yet only 14 posts.

Only real question here is, who removed the rock, he was hiding under..... 

Troll

Try to keep your metaphors straight. Trolls live under bridges, it's other disgusting creatures that live under rocks.

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1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said:

Zero activity until a few days ago - perhaps the 11 years was an account opened when he/she/it entered a two-year trolling course and it is now activated upon graduation?    The possibilities of background story are endless.   :)

You are suggesting that this poster is so stupid that he took 11 years to complete a 2 year trolling course? Well, seeing his posts, I can't really argue with that.

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