Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 It's a sign of the (hard) times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Bagues Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Yes. This team was playing well before 2 of our 3 top centers got hurt. Since then too much defensive responsibility and ice time for the Sedins. When they were sheltered in a 2/3 role the team was playing quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 "Ward, don't you think you were little hard on the Beaver"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 14 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I`m more frustrated with the play of the vets than I am for the younger guys or coaching or management. The Canucks have been losing since Bo went out and our supposed leadership isn`t getting it done. Henrik - $7 Daniel - $7 Eriksson - $6 Edler - $5 That`s $25,000,000 spent on players who aren`t doing their job well enough. I`ll give some credit to Vanek and Gagner, but only because of the lift Boeser`s given them. I have very little issue with the twins making the money they make in this, their last year of the contract. When they signed they were fair value for what they brought and anyone with any hockey knowledge knew they wouldn't be producing at a ppg pace at the end of that contract or anywhere close to it. Plus we had them at a discount when they were entering their prime so it evens out over the length of their careers in my view - perhaps not what the 'what have you done for me lately' perspective would agree with but I'm fine with it since it's done after this year. On the other hand, LE is a complete BUST so far and looks bad on JB. That said, you win some and you lose some as an NHL GM and it's not the reason whey we're where we are in the standings. It'll be a tough contract to swallow for many years, yes - but it's not going to determine the fate of this team. Edler is a diminishing return which should be moved before it diminishes beyond reasonable value imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: "Ward, don't you think you were little hard on the Beaver"? MAN! ..(language evolution & context) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Between fans who expect a high level of hockey ALL the time, and media who will find something bad to say about the team no matter how good they are doing, this team *does* tend to have it harder than others. I think the several years of doing so well made some people accustomed to success so now that we are in rebuild mode they just can't accept it. Don't worry - all those people will likely be back on the bandwagon in a couple of years. Fairweather fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooby Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Incursio said: Losing in 2011 sucked. Hard. That was a team that should have won the Stanley Cup, and not winning it was hard to accept. I remember thinking "Holy ****, this is it. We did it" after Burrows scored in game 2. Even in the dying seconds of game 7 it was like my mind couldn't process the fact that we lost. So, everyone looks to 2012 and what it's going to take to beat Boston in the rematch. There's no way we're not getting there again right? We just won the President's Trophy again after all. We're out in 5 games to LA. Okay...Well, maybe they were tired, or looking ahead too much. It's rare that a team goes to back-to-back finals. This year (2013) we'll get there. Out in 4 straight. The window is slammed shut and that's it. Now it's 2018 and we've missed the playoffs 3 of 4 years and we're going to miss them again this season. It's just...Frustrating. When you're this invested in a team and you want them to win so badly it makes you feel physically ill when they're eliminated each year, it's hard not to get angry, or upset after being so close. I don't think we'd see half the amount of raging if we won in 2011. We are too hard on the team. They're trying (Even Edler), and they want to win. We have a lot to be excited for in the next few years; Horvat, Boeser, Juolevi, Demko, Pettersson, Gaudette, Dahlen, Dahlin, Gadjovich, Lind, DiPietro, Lockwood, and more. Things are turning around, things will get better. People just need to be patient. Pretty much described everything I felt and my thought process during those times. We do need patience, and bright things are coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Nuxfanabroad said: MAN! ..(language evolution & context) Yes sir, I figured us older folk will get the reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooby Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, SILLY GOOSE said: I like what you say about being behind the guys on the ice- most of us have no conception of what it takes to achieve the highest level in their respective sport, let alone what's like to compete against the best. I think that's why I try to get behind guys like Gagner or Edler or Eriksson because I want them to be their best for our team. If over time it's just not working out then hey, I understand that too, but some of the harsh words fans have while they sit on their fat asses eating chips......... It's not an easy game to play at any level, let alone the NHL. Far easier to stuff your face and yell "You're a pylon!" The boys are just people, they make mistakes, they have bad days/months. Damn I had a bad year last year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooby Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Yes sir, I figured us older folk will get the reference. Sadly. I got the reference as well. Flashbacks of black and white.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I would generally say so. Particularly, there is a stark lack of patience, which is somewhat understandable, but patience is a virtue that should be practiced by Canuck fans *cough*Neely*cough*. Rosters rarely work themselves out overnight and some players can take a long time to improve or fit in on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooby Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, -AJ- said: I would generally say so. Particularly, there is a stark lack of patience, which is somewhat understandable, but patience is a virtue that should be practiced by Canuck fans *cough*Neely*cough*. Rosters rarely work themselves out overnight and some players can take a long time to improve or fit in a team. Neely.... That is one that I will never ever let go of. Was just complaining about it two days ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I think back to the dog yrs of the 80's..of course, no internet/CDC, & folks threw timbits at'cha to indicate a minus. Even quoting a pos(t)er, might incite a brouhaha. The contrast? I think there was more general prosperity then, so folks had more things to do(varied interests). Didn't mean we loved hockey less..just weren't as fully engrossed with the minutiae of struggling 6th round picks, compared with 2018. Perhaps people/everyday life was more interesting then, & we didn't get mired in the boring details?..Excuse me, as I go rearrange my sock drawer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooby Posted January 9, 2018 Author Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: I think back to the dog yrs of the 80's..of course, no internet/CDC, & folks threw timbits at'cha to indicate a minus. Even quoting a pos(t)er, might incite a brouhaha. The contrast? I think there was more general prosperity then, so folks had more things to do(varied interests). Didn't mean we loved hockey less..just weren't as fully engrossed with the minutiae of struggling 6th round picks, compared with 2018. Perhaps people/everyday life was more interesting then, & we didn't get mired in the boring details?..Excuse me, as I go rearrange my sock drawer... It's those damn kids nowadays! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Personally, CDC has a far more balanced and informed approach to fandom than literally any other media source. There is some swaying to either extreme, most commonly found in GDT threads. Take a stroll over to the HF boards, the HockeyBuzz boards, and the comments section in Sportsnet articles to see true vitriol. Those folks are straight up miserable sacks of spent mustard. Clearly 98% of the people posting here love the Vancouver Canucks. Many are fans of the game in general, which helps to keep them far more informed than fans who show up donning jerseys coming playoff time. That being said, that passion for the team coupled with an arduous journey since 1970, which has included two trips to the finals, both culminating in bridesmaid status, do color the way many react, myself included, that's for sure. During that time, for some strange reason, the team became vilified to the point where the rest of the country cheered for the Bruins during 2011. The local sports media has picked up on this, and due to the fact that Vancouver is a small city with only a MLS and a CFL team to whet the sports appetite, coverage of the Canucks remains the top draw. Factor in the fact that the majority of the local "journalists" scour this very board, as well as the aforementioned (and inferior) message boards, and you have what you have here today. Canucks fans have been through a lot, and I'm sure many suffer some form of mild post traumatic sports disorder that causes there to be some friction. I'll never cheer for another hockey team in the NHL, and I predict that when, not if, the Canucks raise the Cup, we will lose our collective $&!#, in the best possible way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mooby said: It's those damn kids nowadays! Up-hill both ways..in pursuit of my entitled gen X success... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, mooby said: I know if I take a step back I am guilty of this. In certain games I’ve yelled at my TV “Get rid of Nilson, Marky, Eriksson, Edler… trade for xxx yyyy whatever.” Yes we have player performance and team performance issues. It isn’t an overnight fix to get us in a level of compete for the cup. Most of us all know that. Yet still, (and I am speaking for myself more than anyone else)we forget that when the game is on. I think as a fan this is exactly what happens, we want to over manage. I think you have to think of it like a work place as well- tuning over staff constantly doesnt necessarily help or guarantee better results. I really did like what WD stood for in that he would never be disappointed with his team if he knew they were working hard. The way I view this team is that when 100% healthy they were going to have to work their butts off to be a top team. JB is slowly building the top end depth of this team and hopefully after this dismal year maybe through a trade or getting lucky at the draft he can (hopefully it's him) improve the team for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, mooby said: It's not an easy game to play at any level, let alone the NHL. Far easier to stuff your face and yell "You're a pylon!" The boys are just people, they make mistakes, they have bad days/months. Damn I had a bad year last year! Easy to say to the TV or on a message board for sure. I am proud that Canucks fans haven't resorted to wearing paperbags on their heads, or chucking jerseys on the ice (I think?), or yelling and cursing at players in the concourse as they head off the ice after the game (stay classy Edmonton.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Personally, CDC has a far more balanced and informed approach to fandom than literally any other media source. There is some swaying to either extreme, most commonly found in GDT threads. Take a stroll over to the HF boards, the HockeyBuzz boards, and the comments section in Sportsnet articles to see true vitriol. Those folks are straight up miserable sacks of spent mustard. Clearly 98% of the people posting here love the Vancouver Canucks. Many are fans of the game in general, which helps to keep them far more informed than fans who show up donning jerseys coming playoff time. That being said, that passion for the team coupled with an arduous journey since 1970, which has included two trips to the finals, both culminating in bridesmaid status, do color the way many react, myself included, that's for sure. During that time, for some strange reason, the team became vilified to the point where the rest of the country cheered for the Bruins during 2011. The local sports media has picked up on this, and due to the fact that Vancouver is a small city with only a MLS and a CFL team to whet the sports appetite, coverage of the Canucks remains the top draw. Factor in the fact that the majority of the local "journalists" scour this very board, as well as the aforementioned (and inferior) message boards, and you have what you have here today. Canucks fans have been through a lot, and I'm sure many suffer some form of mild post traumatic sports disorder that causes there to be some friction. I'll never cheer for another hockey team in the NHL, and I predict that when, not if, the Canucks raise the Cup, we will lose our collective $&!#, in the best possible way. It's basically like the ultimate donut shop..where if ya can't answer two Nuckers trivia questions..no ***in' Fritter & double-double 4U! :^) edit..btw, PB great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 the canucks need more fans and fewer armchair analysts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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