189lb enforcers? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 We need less victimhood culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, riffraff said: U2 1 hour ago, riffraff said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted January 19, 2018 Author Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Jester13 said: 2) Men need to learn how consent works. Forcefulness is not ok, and neither is coercion. Men need to take responsibility for their actions, both past, future and present. I'm pretty sure the only people who don't know how consent works are 2 years olds. Some people just don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: We need less victimhood culture. Or fewer victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Yes the movement is needed. Obviously.. But women and individuals who make statements like that last tweet only serve to damage, destroy or erode the movement that others literally suffered to create Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jester13 said: I'm so sorry you have experienced what you have. Thank you for sharing. It's stories like yours that are change-makers. We men need to learn that even what they think is the most innocuous action towards a women is simply wrong and far from harmless and/or funny. Going "too far" is part of the process when a society goes through such an eye-opening culture change. This is how we ensure everyone is heard and everyone learns. Yeah, I disagree. Those actions are the actions of a very small group of men. They are dogs and the majority of men would never consider making such forceful approaches. There’s likely far more underlying issues going on with those types of guys that goes way beyond not knowing it is wrong to do. I dont think you will ever change those types of people without doing a major dive into their mental state. I do think you can provide more preventative measure to help reduce occurrences, like how a lot of companies will provide security assistance to walk women to their car. Or in Japan they have a train cars that only women can enter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: We need less victimhood culture. Care to elaborate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Dral said: I'm pretty sure the only people who don't know how consent works are 2 years olds. Some people just don't care. Evidently not or we wouldn't even be discussing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, inane said: Or fewer victims. Isreal has some interesting guilty until proven innocent laws. Won’t be long until that is here too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, 189lb enforcers? said: Isreal has some interesting guilty until proven innocent laws. Won’t be long until that is here too. Lol what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jester13 said: Care to elaborate? I’ve been the guy being falsely accused of things before. unless it’s happened to you, you won’t get it. At any rate, what’s one more movement? What will tomorrow’s be? It certainly won’t be for men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yeah, I disagree. Those actions are the actions of a very small group of men. They are dogs and the majority of men would never consider making such forceful approaches. There’s likely far more underlying issues going on with those types of guys that goes way beyond not knowing it is wrong to do. I dont think you will ever change those types of people without doing a major dive into their mental state. I do think you can provide more preventative measure to help reduce occurrences, like how a lot of companies will provide security assistance to walk women to their car. Or in Japan they have a train cars that only women can enter. When I say we men, it's not meant for men to take offence but rather taking collective responsibility to ensure we are always present to advocate or act when we can for what's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 1 minute ago, inane said: Lol what. It’s not funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, Jester13 said: When I say we men, it's not meant for men to take offence but rather taking collective responsibility to ensure we are always present to advocate or act when we can for what's right. I understand. I’m just stating that it’s not like the people crossing the line just simply don’t know that what they are doing is wrong. Raise awareness is all good but don’t expect a change in attitude among the perpetrators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I’ve been the guy being falsely accused of things before. unless it’s happened to you, you won’t get it. At any rate, what’s one more movement? What will tomorrow’s be? It certainly won’t be for men. I mean this in the best way, but is it possible you weren't falsely accused but rather are unable to fully see where the women was coming from? For example, some people believe Ansari is being falsely accused, but he did something wrong: he tried to coerce the women into a situation she didn't want to be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 My first thought is 'compared to what'? It wasn't that long ago that our society had the discussion over "no means no". The movement is bringing up a lot of things that we really don't have a good understanding of yet in power relationships, who's responsible for consent, and even what constitutes consent and withdrawal of it (e.g., discussions around non-verbal communications). For a lot of people much of this is new and we don't have a great framework to discuss it in the media or even the courts so this must continue to be an issue that keeps getting discussed and explored. But just because people in the movement have different opinions on things (e.g., like if they agree with Atwood or not) it doesn't invalidate the some of the core discussions around abuse, consent and power like many on the conservative side I suspect would like it too. No movement is perfectly in alignment within all its members, and certainly not one this complex and far reaching. It needs to keep going for quite a while I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jester13 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Just now, ForsbergTheGreat said: I understand. I’m just stating that it’s not like the people crossing the line just simply don’t know that what they are doing is wrong. Raise awareness is all good but don’t expect a change in attitude among the perpetrators. I think lots of men cross the line and don't know it. There's a belief out there that women need to be coerced into sex because they hold all the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: I’ve been the guy being falsely accused of things before. unless it’s happened to you, you won’t get it. At any rate, what’s one more movement? What will tomorrow’s be? It certainly won’t be for men. Probably one of my largest fears - I'm heading into journalism. One false accusation and my life could be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 The movement hasn't gone too far at all. But the odd idiot will always take things too far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 As far as the Aziz Ansari story goes, this might be the best thing I've read on the subject. It's a long read, but worth it if you have the time: https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/aziz-ansari-and-the-paradox-of-no/550556/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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