ronthecivil Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 15 minutes ago, coastal.view said: and we have yet to see how the court rules on the issue of jurisdiction over this pipeline if it sides with bc i guess the 4.5 billion dollar value becomes what ? a nickel ? i think the liberals are involved in a high stakes game of chicken in their approach to this project The right of way is worth billions even if you don't run oil under it... They bought the EXISTING pipeline. The Feds can overrule the courts. And no way in hell does the court go against the feds on this anyways. Now it truely is in the national interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJSkingz Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: I'd love to leave Canada and join Washington, Oregon and California in starting the new country of Cascadia. Drumpf and Turdeau are harbingers of doom. I second this. Lets unite and stand up. Ontario does not care about BC and never will. Lets see how they like having to deal with another country instead of one of its Provinces. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I might be biased because I'm from SK, but I'm happy this pipeline is going through, as are most of my friends. I just wish the feds would keep Kinder Morgan Canada instead of trying to sell it off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 11 minutes ago, RonMexico said: I am by no means happy about this deal. My concern is the cost to me and my family as a result. I would rather the project be completed and not have my money just line the pockets of a multinational corporation anymore than it already does. I sincerely hope there is a well plaid out plan but since the time line appears relatively short, I have my doubts. If the project is completed it lines the pockets of Canadians. Canada owns the pipeline. (Well they will once all the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, RonMexico said: I am by no means happy about this deal. My concern is the cost to me and my family as a result. I would rather the project be completed and not have my money just line the pockets of a multinational corporation anymore than it already does. I sincerely hope there is a well plaid out plan but since the time line appears relatively short, I have my doubts. so the moment you become involved with an ownership interest you feel it is ok to take on and prioritize business values and principles over all other values? cuz questionable decision making might cost you some money i think it worded that incorrectly since you already have money as your top priority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: The right of way is worth billions even if you don't run oil under it... They bought the EXISTING pipeline. The Feds can overrule the courts. And no way in hell does the court go against the feds on this anyways. Now it truely is in the national interest. explain how the right of way has that value? please.. i'm curious the existing pipeline has value for sure but is not worth 4.5 billion i think your understanding of separation of powers between the courts and the government is flawed but have no need to debate this point with you all i can say is the federal government does not control the courts like you hope and cannot overule them like you state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 minute ago, thejazz97 said: I might be biased because I'm from SK, but I'm happy this pipeline is going through, as are most of my friends. I just wish the feds would keep Kinder Morgan Canada instead of trying to sell it off. I understand the pro pipeline stance in Sask and Alberta as it is an economic driver (especially in Alberta) but what I think a lot of people in these provinces don't understand is the risk it poses to the west coast environmentally as well as the fact its offers nothing economically to BC for such risk. Great article I read a few weeks ago here: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-sustainable-way-forward-for-canadas-energy-sector/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MikeBossy said: I understand the pro pipeline stance in Sask and Alberta as it is an economic driver (especially in Alberta) but what I think a lot of people in these provinces don't understand is the risk it poses to the west coast environmentally as well as the fact its offers nothing economically to BC for such risk. Great article I read a few weeks ago here: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-sustainable-way-forward-for-canadas-energy-sector/ The other part of it is my friends' families' farms can't get their crops out to the coast nearly as easy, as the extra oil is being shipped on trains and taking up a lot of space that could be used to transport wheat, grains, canola, lentils, etc. At least, that's the story I've been told. Edited May 29, 2018 by thejazz97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, coastal.view said: explain how the right of way has that value? please.. i'm curious the existing pipeline has value for sure but is not worth 4.5 billion i think your understanding of separation of powers between the courts and the government is flawed but have no need to debate this point with you all i can say is the federal government does not control the courts like you hope and cannot overule them like you state On account of it's land. The value of the land and right of way and the terminal can be argued in both directions until everyone is blue in the face. What do you suppose fair value is? The feds can overrule the constitution if they want, though they have never done so. The feds of course do NOT control the courts, but the most likely scenario is the courts simply ask the feds to be clear on the rules. The lawyers will have a field day on this, and you can find ones that agree with anyone on any side of the debabe. But in the end the feds will win, because they always do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, MikeBossy said: I understand the pro pipeline stance in Sask and Alberta as it is an economic driver (especially in Alberta) but what I think a lot of people in these provinces don't understand is the risk it poses to the west coast environmentally as well as the fact its offers nothing economically to BC for such risk. Great article I read a few weeks ago here: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-the-sustainable-way-forward-for-canadas-energy-sector/ That is a great article. Thanks for posting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeBossy Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: The other part of it is my friends' families' farms can't get their crops out to the coast nearly as easy, as the extra oil is being shipped on trains and taking up a lot of space that could be used to transport wheat, grains, canola, lentils, etc. At least, that's the story I've been told. Totally understand their frustration - I spent the past year in Winnipeg - just moved back to Edmonton and I could not believe the length of the rail cars that were carrying oil. Might just be me but I'd rather transport grain by rail car than oil as most rail tracks go thru cities and along rivers and other environmentally sensitive areas. I guess my big issue with pipelines is much like it is in BC with raw log exports - makes more sense to refine the product then export it as there are decent wages attached to the refinery of the oil. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 38 minutes ago, coastal.view said: so the moment you become involved with an ownership interest you feel it is ok to take on and prioritize business values and principles over all other values? cuz questionable decision making might cost you some money i think it worded that incorrectly since you already have money as your top priority Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 43 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: I'd love to leave Canada and join Washington, Oregon and California in starting the new country of Cascadia. Drumpf and Turdeau are harbingers of doom. You've obviously never been to California. 40+ million people alone, with ALL those social issues. Pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stelar Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 The only thing left to do is figure out which leg of this line will be named after @kingofsurrey 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: You've obviously never been to California. 40+ million people alone, with ALL those social issues. Pass Been to California quite a few times. I love that state. Way ahead of the curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 hour ago, gurn said: wonder if the old Western Canada Concept Party reforms and starts running a separatist campaign.? I certainly hope so liberal party is now finished in bc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 I like firearms, but Conservatives ideas are bad (MP's dictating what firearms should be accepted, there's a bribery column right there). I hate the changes the Liberals want make. They won't make anything safer just more paperwork. And paying to buy Trans Mountain Pipeline? NDP is an unknown. Maybe I'll just be a part of the militant arm of the Green Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 46 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: If the project is completed it lines the pockets of Canadians. Canada owns the pipeline. (Well they will once all the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed). I only meant if the sale goes through and the project yet again is halted or never completed then KM still gets their money. I don't see that as a likely outcome because once the project is called a Crown project in the national interest, Canada has special allowances to proceed that private sector companies do have access to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 14 minutes ago, Stelar said: The only thing left to do is figure out which leg of this line will be named after @kingofsurrey From an aerial view won't this new pipeline look like a snake? Who, in current Canadian politics is a snake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted May 29, 2018 Author Share Posted May 29, 2018 Just now, Alflives said: From an aerial view won't this new pipeline look like a snake? Who, in current Canadian politics is a snake? Thats easy.. Justin Trudeau. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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