Kinder Morgan Pipeline Talk

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

5 minutes ago, chon derry said:

thats not the question , the question is , if it happened could we clean it up.

 

I drive a car and yes I leave a carbon foot print , , the fact is the the method of oilsand extraction is not cost effective at the rate of damage to the climate so comparing ' do you drive a car' to the size and impact of the oilsands production and its carbon foot print isnt relavant. factor in the potential  tanker spill then the argument isnt an argument

Again so you have no problem polluting the air quality for BC residents or ruining the atmosphere, and then say you care about the climate... Another Hypocrite.

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

Canada receiving more is not really relevant to BC facing a massive Bitumen spill in our coastal waters.

Sorry but BC citizens need to think first about our own province / communities / industries.

 

Beautiful BC is our identity / slogan.  If Alberta wants to destroy its natural environment and pollute its own waters.... go for it. 

The saddest thing is that Alberta has even squandered most it previous oil royalties earned back in the day of high oil prices...

 

Is there a worse history of provincial government performance ... than that of Alberta's governments in the past ? Now Alberta is crying about gas royalties... 

Kind of ironic no ?

1) Considering BC is one of the most socialist provinces in Canada, yes Ottawa making more money is beneficial to BC.

 

2) You keep saying Alberta. Trudeau bought the pipeline he wants it.

 

3) Squandered?? I think you mean used money to build many nice highways, hospitals, schools, generously pay doctors, teachers and nurses. You see everything is second rate in B.C if it wasn't for natural beauty no one would be there. The #1 economy in BC is taxing their citizens to death, meanwhile the healthcare there sucks and teachers and doctors make peanuts.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

3 minutes ago, Toews said:

This is a silly argument and I wish advocates of pipelines would stop using it because it manages to convince absolutely no one. As it stands right now I drive a car and can easily afford the price of gas. If you are trying to convince me that this pipeline is of benefit then why would you use an argument that does nothing to move me. Its simplistic and it may make you feel good but it puts people on the defensive and you will never get anywhere doing that.

 

There is definitely a good argument to be made that we can ensure that the pipeline gets built and make sure that measures are put in place to safeguard against the kind of disasters kos is referring to. 

If only he properly answered the question you would of seen what my point was, but instead he couldn't and now get responses like this speculating, good job, point was how many Hypocrites are actually here turning this down for environmental and climate concerns, when they drive a car and pollute the air already, you can't say you care about the environment and climate when you're polluting it yourself already that's being a hypocrite.

[kingofsurrey]

3 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Again so you have no problem polluting the air quality for BC residents or ruining the atmosphere, and then say you care about the climate... Another Hypocrite.

I am a human so of course i am a hypocrite.

Just try to live me life by making the smallest imprint on this planet that a can.   Walk to work.  Walk to store as much as possible. Try to consume as little as possible.

 

But your right.... i am a hypocrite as i still have a negative impact on the planet....

[chon derry]

Just now, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Again so you have no problem polluting the air quality for BC residents or ruining the atmosphere, and then say you care about the climate... Another Hypocrite.

not until affordable achievable   realistic alternatives can be realized i'll live with my negative contribution to enviromental damage . and the label. I have no choice, at least monetarily. 

[Ryan Strome]

8 minutes ago, Toews said:

This is a silly argument and I wish advocates of pipelines would stop using it because it manages to convince absolutely no one. As it stands right now I drive a car and can easily afford the price of gas. If you are trying to convince me that this pipeline is of benefit then why would you use an argument that does nothing to move me. Its simplistic and it may make you feel good but it puts people on the defensive and you will never get anywhere doing that.

 

There is definitely a good argument to be made that we can ensure that the pipeline gets built and make sure that measures are put in place to safeguard against the kind of disasters kos is referring to. 

he doesn't need to move you. Trudeau purchased the pipeline but didn't have his ducks in a row but it will be all figured out in 2019.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

Gas prices across Canada are $1.00-1.06 average, BC gas prices $1.50 average, get the pipeline done.

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

I am a human so of course i am a hypocrite.

Just try to live me life by making the smallest imprint on this planet that a can.   Walk to work.  Walk to store as much as possible. Try to consume as little as possible.

 

But your right.... i am a hypocrite as i still have a negative impact on the planet....

That's pretty dangerous considering you live in Surrey

[Ryan Strome]

Just now, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Gas prices across Canada are $1.00-1.06 average, BC gas prices $1.50 average, get the pipeline done.

88.9 in Calgary this morning.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

I am a human so of course i am a hypocrite.

Just try to live me life by making the smallest imprint on this planet that a can.   Walk to work.  Walk to store as much as possible. Try to consume as little as possible.

 

But your right.... i am a hypocrite as i still have a negative impact on the planet....

So you couldn't of said that first? You had to wait for me to bring up my point first so you could make your answer the opposite of course nice job!

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

I'll look forward to some of you on TV protesting holding signs next time! But I'm sure they won't be there 

[chon derry]

i'll repost this since there was nobody around when I did post it.

1 hour ago, chon derry said:

                             prawns off the hyder dock big as small lobsters , but now that were onto the sea food aspect maybe you would have some understanding of why coastal residence are so protective of ANY threat to the economic , socio impact to The very basic way of life on the coast, and i'm not talking 'hippys ' a term that Albertans throw around losely and wrongly accuse BCers of , bc used to be a booming province ,forest industry , mining ,commercial fishing. all of which have been impacted by ASIA  and the desire to only trade in raw resource's , ie;raw logs unproccessed fish,  to the point of a hand full of sawmills, pulp mills ,and fish cannerys but resource extraction levels are higher than they were when we were up and running , because china says we dont want your pulp, dimension lumber ,we want your raw logs oh and you can dismantle the sawmills and pulp mills and well buy them too.. ya send us your unprocessed fish while your at it, now alberta wants to do the same with its oil, and with whats left of a once prosperous coastal economy we have to further accept albertas plan that threaten's  the  coast line and way of life to further benefit alberta ,of which prior to oil and gas development production levels that have gone thru the roof , HOW DID CANADA SURVIVE WITHOUT THESE PRODUCTION LEVELS? PRIOR TO THE INCREASED LEVELS?  and now we have  something that doesnt out weigh the benefit to bc.  financially or environmentally, BC  cant afford it. and since we never had it to begin to the point of being reliant on it ,how would we ever miss it? AND SINCE THE ECONOMIC ASPECT OF IT HASNT BEEN PROVEN BENIFICIAL  NOR THE ENVIROMENTAL ASPECT been proven fail safe , so how and why is that so hard to understand? whilst bearing in mind that these are bc's concerns , I guess if alberta had an ocean front that they could actually see and appreciate or bear witness to its well being or lack of , alberta will fail in respecting these very REAL concerns!

 

[Toews]

1 minute ago, Ryan Strome said:

he doesn't need to move you. Trudeau purchased the pipeline but didn't have his ducks in a row but it will be all figured out in 2019.

No he doesn't because I am already convinced that the pipeline is of benefit but it doesn't convince others who do not know all the facts and have a vague idea of what the issue is about. Maybe we would have had that pipeline already if oil advocates were better in their messaging but its that kind of crap that @bishopshodan mentioned that ensures nothing ever gets built in this country. Attacking your opponents when you are trying to get something built only ends up benefiting them as everyone looks immature in the process. 

[Ryan Strome]

1 minute ago, Toews said:

No he doesn't because I am already convinced that the pipeline is of benefit but it doesn't convince others who do not know all the facts and have a vague idea of what the issue is about. Maybe we would have had that pipeline already if oil advocates were better in their messaging but its that kind of crap that @bishopshodan mentioned that ensures nothing ever gets built in this country. Attacking your opponents when you are trying to get something built only ends up benefiting them as everyone looks immature in the process. 

1) Has nothing to do with advocates. A majority of BCers support it however KM should have done a better job consulting first nations and certain communities.

 

2) Pretty much agree.

[Ryan Strome]

5 minutes ago, chon derry said:

i'll repost this since there was nobody around when I did post it.

 

I was going to respond but you have a lot going on in there. But FYI I'm well aware of the raw resource issue in this country, especially in BC. My family has been logging forever. I'm from BC if you weren't aware.

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

Oh and they said instead of $1.50 for Christmas in BC they're going to give residents a Christmas present and expect the price to be $1.40 for Christmas, wow what a Christmas present 

[chon derry]

Just now, Ryan Strome said:

I was going to respond but you have a lot going on in there. But FYI I'm well aware of the raw resource issue in this country, especially in BC. My family has been logging forever. I'm from BC if you weren't aware.

glad to hear some understanding on the issue , me being called a hypocrite by the other guy thats a good one  I drove truck for 31 years and have more miles on bridge decks than your average joe in his volvo station wagon has on highways lol

[I.Am.Ironman]

28 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Again so you have no problem polluting the air quality for BC residents or ruining the atmosphere, and then say you care about the climate... Another Hypocrite.

C'mon you are straw manning here. Just because people own a car doesn't mean they aren't environmentally conscious. I own a car but walk to most places I need to go, or bus, or bike. I am lucky to live close enough to commute by foot or bus everyday. I still drive on weekends or for road trips; does that make me a hypocrite for wanting a better deal for BC in re to the pipeline? BC coastline bears all the risk and many communities and major industries with it. I understand, and want, the economic boost that the pipeline would bring, who wouldn't? BUT I think it is important for the federal and the provincial governments of BC and Alberta to formulate preventative measures against spills. Remember when there was that minor oil leak in English bay about 3 years ago? The first people to the beaches to clean it up were citizens! As of now BC does not have the systems in place to respond to a large scale spill of any kind.

[kingofsurrey]

24 minutes ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

Oh and they said instead of $1.50 for Christmas in BC they're going to give residents a Christmas present and expect the price to be $1.40 for Christmas, wow what a Christmas present 

Your fear mongering tactics will not work.  

 

Too bad Alberta has wasted their Heritage fund... Norway has  over a trillion in their fund.

 

Albeta and Albertans sound like a bunch of whiners.......     You mismanage your province resources / investments / oil revenues.... and now you try to blame BC for your own ineptness.   Too funny. 

[Ryan Strome]

2 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

Your fear mongering tactics will not work.  

 

Too bad Alberta has wasted their Heritage fund... Norway has  over a trillion in their fund.

 

Albeta and Albertans sound like a bunch of whiners.......     You mismanage your province resources / investments / oil revenues.... and now you try to blame BC for your own ineptness.   Too funny. 

Alberta's heritage fund is not wasted. Resources/investment/oil? Alberta is the strongest economy and richest province in Canada and Alberta has more investment than any other province. Btw the guy you're talking to lives in BC.