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11 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Same thing at Foothills too e.g., stretchers in hallways in a pan-Canadian tradition. 

 

I do think teachers can be paid too much, thats true. Right now its adequate to the job imo.  I'm not all that impressed with the BCTU after having a kid go through the BC system. 

 

I did kindergarten to 12 in BC so I can't compare it to anywhere else. My daughter has only done school in Alberta. I'm happy with the job teachers do here, sure they're paid well but we have no msp or pst so I'm fine with it.

 

I'm very conservative jimmy but I think teachers, nurses and doctors should be compensated well, they shape lives and save lives. 

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31 minutes ago, chon derry said:

4.5 billion  pipeline  notley asking for fed partnership of rail tanker purchase , and now an announcement of a federal package to help ailing oil company's ,all in Canada's best interest, amiright?  

Yes you're right and hey after this coming Spring you can have Notley if you like.

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Just now, Ryan Strome said:

I did kindergarten to 12 in BC so I can't compare it to anywhere else. My daughter has only done school in Alberta. I'm happy with the job teachers do here, sure they're paid well but we have no msp or pst so I'm fine with it.

 

I'm very conservative jimmy but I think teachers, nurses and doctors should be compensated well, they shape lives and save lives. 

Of those, to me its the nurses that really deserve the raise. Spend any time in healthcare industry and you'll find out fast they are the glue that holds the whole thing together. Doc's are very well compensated in Canada, and have no official performance review requirements (there are annual practice reviews but there's no direct impact on compensation).

 

For teachers, I'm not a union-buster or anything like that, just think the pay is equal to the task. They aren't miracle workers. The curriculum shouldn't be challenging and there's great holidays and no over time. I'd be fine with a small increase for cost of living in BC but other than that the salary is on par imo. 

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100++ km/hr winds in the strait last night.

Ferries canceled, I wonder if a super tanker was canceled also?

It is only a matter of when, not if, a serious accident will happen in the south east area of Vancouver Island and the gulf Islands,

an area identified by the federal Tanker Safety Expert Panel as being one of the most high-risk areas in Canada for an oil spill.

Once that Bitumen hits tide water it is no longer Alberta's responsibility, it is on the 3rd world shipping contractor, good luck with that.

The costs to BC's Tourism, fisheries, etc. and closing down the port of Vancouver until it is cleaned up, if it can be, would be horrendous

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3 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

100++ km/hr winds in the strait last night.

Ferries canceled, I wonder if a super tanker was canceled also?

It is only a matter of when, not if, a serious accident will happen in the south east area of Vancouver Island and the gulf Islands,

an area identified by the federal Tanker Safety Expert Panel as being one of the most high-risk areas in Canada for an oil spill.

Once that Bitumen hits tide water it is no longer Alberta's responsibility, it is on the 3rd world shipping contractor, good luck with that.

The costs to BC's Tourism, fisheries, etc. and closing down the port of Vancouver until it is cleaned up, if it can be, would be horrendous

Send this comment to Trudeau, he has our back. Omg never thought a Trudeau would have Alberta's back. Lol

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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Of those, to me its the nurses that really deserve the raise. Spend any time in healthcare industry and you'll find out fast they are the glue that holds the whole thing together. Doc's are very well compensated in Canada, and have no official performance review requirements (there are annual practice reviews but there's no direct impact on compensation).

 

For teachers, I'm not a union-buster or anything like that, just think the pay is equal to the task. They aren't miracle workers. The curriculum shouldn't be challenging and there's great holidays and no over time. I'd be fine with a small increase for cost of living in BC but other than that the salary is on par imo. 

I agree nurses do a great job, midwives also. Not saying doctors need raises but they don't need cuts.

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Just now, Ryan Strome said:

I agree nurses do a great job, midwives also. Not saying doctors need raises but they don't need cuts.

They're really bucking any kind of performance reviews tho. So e.g., if you have a crappy GP, even if you go though the steps to file a complaint with the provincial physicians college - and win - there's literally no financial impact. Or alternatively, if you have a great one, nothing for that effort. That needs to change. 

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48 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

100++ km/hr winds in the strait last night.

Ferries canceled, I wonder if a super tanker was canceled also?

It is only a matter of when, not if, a serious accident will happen in the south east area of Vancouver Island and the gulf Islands,

an area identified by the federal Tanker Safety Expert Panel as being one of the most high-risk areas in Canada for an oil spill.

Once that Bitumen hits tide water it is no longer Alberta's responsibility, it is on the 3rd world shipping contractor, good luck with that.

The costs to BC's Tourism, fisheries, etc. and closing down the port of Vancouver until it is cleaned up, if it can be, would be horrendous

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/lone-sailor-saved-from-sinking-vessel-by-bc-ferries-rescue-crew-1.4950237

https://www.cheknews.ca/bc-ferries-rescues-boater-from-sinking-vessel-518108/

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Responding to a mayday call, a BC Ferries vessel rushed to help a boater in bad weather.

The 24-foot vessel was sinking around 6:30 p.m. near Morseby Island, not far from Swartz Bay.

The crew of the Coastal Celebration was nearby and was able to rescue the boater.

Witnesses say only the tip of the boat’s hull was still out of the water when the ferry arrived on scene.

“It was going down and people were wondering if the Coast Guard would possibly get there in time,” explains witness Robin Junger, who was on board the ferry at the time.

“You could see the waves were terrible, it was horrible conditions, and the BC Ferries guys saved this guy literally seconds before it sank. It was incredible, it was really incredible. It takes a lot of guts and I hope people appreciate what they did.”

A spokesperson for BC Ferries says no one was injured in the incident.

“Our crew was able to rescue the boater and it ended up being our last sailing of the day,” says BC Ferries spokesperson Deb Marshall.

Weather conditions were so bad, BC Ferries say the 7 p.m. and 9 p.m. sailings from Swartz Bay to Tsawwassen had to be cancelled as well as the final sailing from Duke Point to Tsawwassen.

Wind warnings were in effect for Greater Victoria and other parts of Vancouver Island on Monday as a series of storms continues to hammer the B.C. south coast."

 

 There may be a partially submerged 24 foot boat out there today. Keep a sharp look out. Thing is when ships sink they don't always just go to the bottom and can be completely under water but only 10 feet down. 

My friend was on that ferry last night, majorly dangerous trying to keep the nose/bow of the rescue boat pointing forward as they lowered away.

The moron that went out in that weather risked his life, and the 3 people that went out in the rescue boat to get him. Hopefully there will be some kind of  criminal charges laid on this idiot's table.

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1 minute ago, Mackcanuck said:

LOL

Tredeau gives $1.6B to Alberta for ailing oil industry on top of the $5B for the pipeline

Amd he will likely lose the 4 seats in Alberta he has. Politics certainly is interesting isn't it?

 

In all honesty he needs the royalty money. He is running up massive debt and defecit.

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12 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said:

You can't argue that you're worried about the environment when you pollute it yourself, how can anyone argue with that really. It would be like saying you're all about PETA, but hey occasionally I like to wear my fur coat at special occasions, it doesn't work like that.

That isn't at all the same. I can control whether or not I wear fur whereas my very existence on this earth uses earth resources and has an environmental impact. I eat earth's food, use earth's gas and other energy sources to power my home. If I was driving an F-150 around town that only ever saw groceries in its bed then you would have a point.

 

I also didn't say worried about the environment; I said 'environmentally conscious'. I recognize that what a lot of global environmental issues boil down to is over population. I try to minimize my impact as I can; I recycle, minimize use of plastics by using reusable bags at a grocery store, reusable food containers, don't eat meat (except at restaurants), minimize driving and drive a fuel efficient car (mazda 3) - my SO has a chevy volt that we use in town. Unfortunately the Tesla's of the world are tres $$$ and don't even have the range to make it to the Okanagan. The technology just isn't there yet. Major car companies are making the long term switch to hybrid in the next decade which is great to see as well.

 

So in short; even though I drive a car, I can still argue and be concerned about environmental impacts of a potential oil spill on BC from an economical, geographical and biological perspective.

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21 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said:

Amd he will likely lose the 4 seats in Alberta he has. Politics certainly is interesting isn't it?

 

In all honesty he needs the royalty money. He is running up massive debt and defecit.

and yet he's doing it, and still you guys hate him for it. 6.5 billion and not a whiff of acknowledgement. 

 

the economy is still growing without the additional oil revenue btw. 

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21 minutes ago, gurn said:

What, another subsidy for the oil industry? It is almost like oil is a dying industry or something.

what bothers me is the complete lack of appreciation from AB. The politicians didn't even bother to show up for a 1.5 billion dollar announcement :picard:

 

Its part of the destructive myth believed by many in AB that they "do more" than the rest of us, they don't appreciate it when people are actually trying to help them. 

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2 hours ago, chon derry said:

4.5 billion  pipeline  notley asking for fed partnership of rail tanker purchase , and now an announcement of a federal package to help ailing oil company's ,all in Canada's best interest, amiright?  

All the price that has to be paid when you pander to a few Canadians who serve foreign lobbyists. It's only beginning. Watch the country crumble without pipelines , or watch it thrive with pipelines.

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18 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

and yet he's doing it, and still you guys hate him for it. 6.5 billion and not a whiff of acknowledgement. 

 

the economy is still growing without the additional oil revenue btw. 

Pretty sure I just did acknowledge him. People like you and warhippy don't acknowledge his massive debt. Unemployment is low unfortunately lowing paying jobs are what is being created. Wage growth is not good under this government.

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12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

what bothers me is the complete lack of appreciation from AB. The politicians didn't even bother to show up for a 1.5 billion dollar announcement :picard:

 

Its part of the destructive myth believed by many in AB that they "do more" than the rest of us, they don't appreciate it when people are actually trying to help them. 

It's just a loan to paid back at commercial rate. These companies normally spend 60 billion in capital expenditures every year. This is nothing. The government is a pipsqueak . The only thing it can do is enforce the rules that make this country a country.

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19 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

what bothers me is the complete lack of appreciation from AB. The politicians didn't even bother to show up for a 1.5 billion dollar announcement :picard:

 

Its part of the destructive myth believed by many in AB that they "do more" than the rest of us, they don't appreciate it when people are actually trying to help them. 

It's not a myth we know we do.

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