canuckistani Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, chon derry said: after the endbridge EA and community discussions that were held here, I can tell you that it has everything to do with corporate/ public mistrust. all the way along route , so the virtual strait line of 'northern gateway' was no co-incidence unless you beleave that the circumnavigation around 'enviromentally sensitive areas was in fact a VIRTUAL STRAIT LINE LOL. the map that they used which conveniently left banks island and all the other islets (navigational hazards ) left out of the "plan" fooled nobody , but then you wouldnt expect a bunch of suits from alberta to pull the wool over the eyes of experienced coastal people ,would you? They are not obligated to make any presentation to us or the coastal people. They are to the government we elected. And they were satisfied. This does not change my statement of 'if you are not an expert on the issue, your opinion is worthless and maybe you should STFU instead of peddling nonsense'. I am not involved with oil industry but as an engineer, i can tell you with 100% certainty that the anti-pipeline group has ZERO scientific credibility, regardless of how many UBC psuedo-hacks they paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, canuckistani said: They are not obligated to make any presentation to us or the coastal people. They are to the government we elected. And they were satisfied. This does not change my statement of 'if you are not an expert on the issue, your opinion is worthless and maybe you should STFU instead of peddling nonsense'. I am not involved with oil industry but as an engineer, i can tell you with 100% certainty that the anti-pipeline group has ZERO scientific credibility, regardless of how many UBC psuedo-hacks they paid off. thats funny because their presentation failed anyway , not only for the public but the feds didnt approve either , and to make matters worse nothing from the consultation aspect of endbridge process was learned ,see court ruling KM LINE regarding CONSULTATION. expect another court case regarding not enough time with the feb EA dead line not being long enough time period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, chon derry said: thats funny because their presentation failed anyway , not only for the public but the feds didnt approve either , and to make matters worse nothing from the consultation aspect of endbridge process was learned ,see court ruling KM LINE regarding CONSULTATION. expect another court case regarding not enough time with the feb EA dead line not being long enough time period. Last i checked, the NEB did approve the KM proposal but got overruled by the courts, which i see as an overreach of judicial authority. Judges are not qualified to overrule engineers/scientists on a question of science. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Riprock Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: there's better returns than AB oil right now, so why would I put my money there? You've been paying and paying because your government hasn't been getting the billions and billions of tax dollars that the oil industry should have been pouring into it. Now your tax dollars will be drained away in the billions to support the goose that can lay golden eggs. Its only beginning. UI claims, bailouts, people going back to their home province looking for handouts. Enjoy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dash Riprock said: You've been paying and paying because your government hasn't been getting the billions and billions of tax dollars that the oil industry should have been pouring into it. Now your tax dollars will be drained away in the billions to support the goose that can lay golden eggs. Its only beginning. UI claims, bailouts, people going back to their home province looking for handouts. Enjoy. How many trillions did the US spend to bail out Wall Street, big banks, and US auto industries? Maybe, considering we're only spending billions, we should count ourselves as fiscally responsible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Riprock Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 1 minute ago, Alflives said: How many trillions did the US spend to bail out Wall Street, big banks, and US auto industries? Maybe, considering we're only spending billions, we should count ourselves as fiscally responsible? Wall street and big bank corruption destroyed itself, the Canadian oil industry is being destroyed because it's too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dash Riprock said: Wall street and big bank corruption destroyed itself, the Canadian oil industry is being destroyed because it's too good. You confused me. Our oil industry is too good? Are you saying outside (of Canada, mostly US) influences are pulling another Avro Arrow on us? Should we be surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dash Riprock Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just now, Alflives said: You confused me. Our oil industry is too good? Are you saying outside (of Canada, mostly US) influences are pulling another Avro Arrow on us? Should we be surprised? You've seen the postings on how pipeline protests and propaganda has been funded by American philanthropists. It's been well documented here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 49 minutes ago, Dash Riprock said: You've been paying and paying because your government hasn't been getting the billions and billions of tax dollars that the oil industry should have been pouring into it. Now your tax dollars will be drained away in the billions to support the goose that can lay golden eggs. Its only beginning. UI claims, bailouts, people going back to their home province looking for handouts. Enjoy. you should have had a career in propaganda. BC doesn't collect remotely enough via AB royalties to effect any of that in a meaningful way. BTW, for 2017 BC GDP was 13.2% of Canada's total, AB was 15.53. You aren't carrying $&!#. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: you should have had a career in propaganda. BC doesn't collect remotely enough via AB royalties to effect any of that in a meaningful way. BTW, for 2017 BC GDP was 13.2% of Canada's total, AB was 15.53. You aren't carrying $&!#. Thats with a million more people in bc that is. Edited December 19, 2018 by Violator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Violator said: Thats with a million more people in bc that is. its actually 4.6 to 4 million, but regardless thats what happens when multinational oil companies pay royalties. Somehow thats supposed to be seen as a burden. It also shows that the "AB carries Canada" thing is BS. I do think people hurting from the downturn should get the help everyone else gets. But what is un-Canadian imo is how some, not all, Albertans act like they've personally contributed more to Canada than anyone else and the rest of us are a bunch of freeloaders. Surely you can understand why thats offensive to anyone outside of the patch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, canuckistani said: Last i checked, the NEB did approve the KM proposal but got overruled by the courts, which i see as an overreach of judicial authority. Judges are not qualified to overrule engineers/scientists on a question of science. they didn't rule on the science done per se, they ruled that the consultation process itself was flawed and also missed an area of research that was supposed to be included (the whale stuff). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Just now, Jimmy McGill said: its actually 4.6 to 4 million, but regardless thats what happens when multinational oil companies pay royalties. Somehow thats supposed to be seen as a burden. It also shows that the "AB carries Canada" thing is BS. I do think people hurting from the downturn should get the help everyone else gets. But what is un-Canadian imo is how some, not all, Albertans act like they've personally contributed more to Canada than anyone else and the rest of us are a bunch of freeloaders. Surely you can understand why thats offensive to anyone outside of the patch. Alot of people in alberta grew up only knowing work.When they see other people trying to threaten there way of life they get pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: No "Alberta" doesn't. Its taxpaying citizens don't. Multinational corporations do. No, it isn't the "economic driver". Jesus. Oil is roughly 8-12% of Canada's GDP for the entire country. Our economy is still growing despite AB oil prices being in the toilet. I Guess Alberta has no agriculture or logging industries. Fact- Alberta is the economic driver of Canada. Do your homework. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johngould21 Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Violator said: Alot of people in alberta grew up only knowing work.When they see other people trying to threaten there way of life they get pissed. Growing up, all I knew was work. I live in BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 9 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Personally I don't think teachers, doctors and nurses can be paid to much. How BC liberal of you Jimmy. Your teachers may be paid average but your cost of living in Vancouver is the highest in Canada. Ya healthcare in BC is great... In Vancouver People were on stretchers in a bloody cafeteria and places like Penticton have hospitals full of asbestos that were built back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. 100 % agree with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said: you should have had a career in propaganda. BC doesn't collect remotely enough via AB royalties to effect any of that in a meaningful way. BTW, for 2017 BC GDP was 13.2% of Canada's total, AB was 15.53. You aren't carrying $&!#. And that 2 % extra in Alberta was generated through tractor pull ticket sales and chewing tobacco sales..... Alberta in 25 years when the dirty bitumen is gone will be a " Have Not " province like the newfies....... Alberta will be the West Coast Newfies....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckistani Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: And that 2 % extra in Alberta was generated through tractor pull ticket sales and chewing tobacco sales..... Alberta in 25 years when the dirty bitumen is gone will be a " Have Not " province like the newfies....... Alberta will be the West Coast Newfies....... So i get it. You see Alberta as competition to BC's LNG sector and want to kill the oil sands sector for it. Along with this silly 'BC pride' nonsense. All the more reasons to do away with Provinces in my mind. Viva la Canada. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Violator said: Alot of people in alberta grew up only knowing work.When they see other people trying to threaten there way of life they get pissed. same with farming, fishing, forestry, manufacturing, etc, etc. its a common story everywhere in Canada. None of them claimed they were paying the freight for the rest of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said: I Guess Alberta has no agriculture or logging industries. Fact- Alberta is the economic driver of Canada. Do your homework. Challenge: prove it. Question: why isn't the rest of Canada collapsing right now? You keep saying that, but you've never once proven it. Because you can't. Because its BS. Edited December 19, 2018 by Jimmy McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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