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1 hour ago, Ryan Strome said:

1) How so?

 

2) No that's people like you, kos and jimmy.

 

3) The project will get completed. Again you keep saying Alberta but Ottawa has repeatedly said it would get built.

 

Edit- Btw a majority of BCers support the project and two thirds of Canadians support it.

I wouldn't be too sure about that last one. 

 

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/04/20/analysis/kinder-morgan-pipeline-supporters-and-detractors-are-being-swarmed-online-bots

 

Also I think it's tough to say that any of these polls are accurate based on a 2000 person sample size. 

 

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1 hour ago, JoeyJoeJoeJr. Shabadoo said:

I wouldn't be too sure about that last one. 

 

https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/04/20/analysis/kinder-morgan-pipeline-supporters-and-detractors-are-being-swarmed-online-bots

 

Also I think it's tough to say that any of these polls are accurate based on a 2000 person sample size. 

 

I still can't believe people take online polls seriously in 2018. If bots can vote Mike Komisarek to the ASG, then they can easily skew an online poll. Get a clue!

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Even if, and that is a huge if, the feds, BC and Alberta can come to an agreement there is still the matter of a few dozen Native  communities agreeing. 

The May 31 deadline mentioned by KinderM is not going to be reached, not with so much opposition and lawsuits.

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Whats the big hurry, They don't even know how dilbit reacts in salt water or how to clean up a spill in the Salish Sea if it happens.

Alberta won't care, not their problem, SSK won't care,,not their problem, anyone east of the Rockies won't care, not their problem

Certainly Kinder Morgan won't care, once the dilbit is loaded onto a tanker, again, it is not their problem!!

Coastal BC is the only place that cares if it hits our Ocean.

The Canadian Government already squashed the Energy East Pipeline to the Atlantic Ocean when it hit the Quebec Border.

Trudeau also squashed the Northern Gateway Pipeline to Kitimat just last year.

What were the reasons Trudeau had for canceling these dilbit pipelines??

But lets ramrod this Pipeline into the 3rd largest most populated area of Canada, to the busiest Port in the Nation before we even know how to clean a catastophic spill.

Again, whats the sudden hurry??

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13 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

The company noted that B.C. “has been clear and public in its intention to use ‘every tool in its toolbox’ to stop the project.”

B.C.’s delaying tactics on Kinder Morgan are borderline illegal. B.C. Premier John Horgan has acknowledged as much, having told his environment minister that trying to stop the project outright would be “inappropriate and unlawful.”

The reward would be greater employment income, R&D prowess, and government royalties that Alberta, in particular, needs in its bid to diversify away from oil and gas.

Much more troubling is that the cancellation of this project could lead Canada into a constitutional crisis. It would require Canadians to decide whether a province or territory can trample on federal authority with impunity.

 

The demise of the project would likely also prompt a foreign-investment chill in Canada.

 

Foreign investment is not only an engine of oilsands development. It is also powering the growth of Southern Ontario’s remarkable high-tech eco-system.

 

B.C. is a major exporter of coal, the fossil fuel most powerfully implicated in climate change.

 

It is also a clear and present danger to the Canadian federation.

That is one of the most biased articles I've seen in a while. I'll just pick out a few gems.

 

"borderline illegal" means legal. So not real argument there.

 

The "rewards" go mostly outside of BC, yet BC takes all the risk.

 

No it isn't a constitutional crisis, it will clarify what powers provinces have. Without that we'll have endless project delays like this. Clarity is a good thing moving forward.

 

Its beyond ridiculous to link this pipeline to high tech investment in Ontario. 

 

BC exports metallurgical coal for metal production, it burns far hotter and cleaner than power plant coal.

 

Rob, all articles like this do is continue to try to distract from the main thing most people in BC are concerned about - safety. Nice that the article completely glossed over that eh? 

 

 

 

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The Kinder project just tries to buy off every community it passes through.

 

In my moms town. Kinder offered a brand new golf club house. LOL - heh, no wonder why the golf club members there   ( 10,000 bucks a year )  are supporters....

 

Any project that threatens BC's coastal waters is a no go.  Show us that the spill technology is in place or get lost. 

 

Albertans have ruined the environment of their province and now they want to threaten  beautiful BC . All in the pursuit of oil profit for multinationals.....    No thanks. 

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44 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

That is one of the most biased articles I've seen in a while. I'll just pick out a few gems.

 

"borderline illegal" means legal. So not real argument there.

 

The "rewards" go mostly outside of BC, yet BC takes all the risk.

 

No it isn't a constitutional crisis, it will clarify what powers provinces have. Without that we'll have endless project delays like this. Clarity is a good thing moving forward.

 

Its beyond ridiculous to link this pipeline to high tech investment in Ontario. 

 

BC exports metallurgical coal for metal production, it burns far hotter and cleaner than power plant coal.

 

Rob, all articles like this do is continue to try to distract from the main thing most people in BC are concerned about - safety. Nice that the article completely glossed over that eh? 

 

 

 

It is all about Money Jimmy.   Plain and simple.   Why doesn’t BC come up with their ask and go from there.   If they want a zillion dollars to quadruple line all the ships and are offered only $6.50 for Saran Wrap then they have some work to do but as of now it is useless political crap while your Province will import oil from places on the planet with a lot more environmental impact and far less (none) benefit to Canada let alone BC

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15 minutes ago, gurn said:

Strange how so many articles seem to mention BC and Alberta being in a trade war, yet I don't recall BC putting tariffs on any Alberta product during this discussion regarding KM.?

Albertans like to stomp their feet and hold their breath when they don't get what they want.....

 

Maybe it from the 10 months a  year of winter.....

 

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17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

And two months of GIANT BUGS.  :frantic:

Seriously, i enjoyed living in Alberta and the people there were great.

 

Just do not understand how a province ( Alberta )  can attempt to bully their neighbour/friend  ( BC )    

 

It is a real failure by Alberta politicians that  puts  our BC coast line at risk without even proper consultation with our province.

 

Look at the lastest article out of Calgary that tries to threaten BC citizens....

Alberta is now starting to throw their vegetables...,  scream , stamp their feet and hold their breath....     Wow . really...

 

http://calgaryherald.com/business/energy/braid-if-horgan-wins-b-c-loses-a-fortune

 

 

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Just now, kingofsurrey said:

Seriously, i enjoyed living in Alberta and the people there were great.

 

Just do not understand how a province ( Alberta )  can attempt to bully their neighbour/friend  ( BC )    

 

It is a real failure by Alberta politicians that  puts  our BC coast line at risk without even proper consultation with our province.

 

 

The whole pipeline argument appears to be a Federal matter.  Is the Trans Canada highway federal?  

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

The whole pipeline argument appears to be a Federal matter.  Is the Trans Canada highway federal?  

Does the Trans Canada highway threaten our BC coast communities... fishing, tourism  economies.... ?

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2 hours ago, Alflives said:

I think the pipeline is federal, but I’m not sure about the highway.  

The Trans Canada yes is federal however I believe repairs are the responsibility of each Province hence why the Trans Canada in B.C and Saskatchewan are in rough shape.

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4 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said:

It is all about Money Jimmy.   Plain and simple.   Why doesn’t BC come up with their ask and go from there.   If they want a zillion dollars to quadruple line all the ships and are offered only $6.50 for Saran Wrap then they have some work to do but as of now it is useless political crap while your Province will import oil from places on the planet with a lot more environmental impact and far less (none) benefit to Canada let alone BC

that argument doesn't cut it - Alberta is selling it to a country that is one of the worst emitters so thats pretty weak stuff. AB wants to sell to China, and if that means BCs gas prices rise over $2 per litre they don't care. Seriously Rob how can you make out BC to be the bad guy in all this? 

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14 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

that argument doesn't cut it - Alberta is selling it to a country that is one of the worst emitters so thats pretty weak stuff. AB wants to sell to China, and if that means BCs gas prices rise over $2 per litre they don't care. Seriously Rob how can you make out BC to be the bad guy in all this? 

Well the feds are.

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