Hockey God Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I have to wonder what some of the posters in this thread are talking about. Benning makes mistakes, but he alos sees value where many of us don't. So, I accept that he sees value in what he traded for. Good on him, only time will tell if he's right or not. Other GMs also see value, and unfortunately, given the history of what we had/might have had available re: injuries (Tanev?), attitude (Vanek?), willingness to move (Edler?), etc, there was no real value in our "available" players at this point in time, and the ones who do have value won't be traded. For Benning to get some value by taking on an expiring contract and trading soon to be free agents, well, that's good. More importantly, I think this may signal the twins not being in the lineup next year, as I think Benning wouldn't be bringing in these prospects if he didn't have a feeling that there would, potentially, be room for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Lancaster said: Was surprised that Tanev wasn't moved. Considering there's like an arms race happening with some contenders, thought they could have traded him for some useful assets. Chris Higgins was on 1040 from 9:00 - 12:00. He gushed about Tanev. He went on and on about it. He would never move him because he is such an important piece on a developing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, CaptKirk888 said: Sorry Alf, goin to disagree. Baer is a talented player who for the next few years be in our top six. Demco, Lind and Gadjovic are all unproven and by no means guaranteed NHLers. 2nd round picks are hit and miss, no guarantee you are going to get a future Pro player. Yes picks are important, but once again, no guarantee. I agree about the chance for even a second round pick to be an NHLer. We were (are) supposed to be rebuilding a next core. Every draft pick has the potential to become part of that next group. The more picks; the more chances. Baer has no chance being a part of our next core. Same for Vey, and Granlund. I’d rather a rebuilding team adds picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 32 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said: Are you serious right now? We turned a second round pick into a top 6 forward, which is what you hope to draft with one.. Baer is a top six forward on a bottom five team. How does he help our final rebuilt team, if we want a final rebuilt team to be a good one? Baer is not going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameburn Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said: Are you serious right now? We turned a second round pick into a top 6 forward, which is what you hope to draft with one.. You and Alf are both right, imo. Trading a second round pick for a top-6 is clearly a win. But giving up a chance for a top 3 player for a top-6 player who will likely fall to top-9 when Pettersson and Gaudette get here means Alf has a point too. Baer was a scratch this week, he isn't that much more assured of a regular top 6 gig than Goldobin, if he can still be a scratch at this point. Virtanen wasn't a scratch that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van_ws Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Going to be critical here with Benning but this is another fail of a trade deadline. How you do not get any draft picks by moving a valuable asset like Vanek is beyond me. He has had a few chances to obtain draft picks for several other players with nothing to show for. It is disappointing that we have so few draft picks. The Canucks need to build the prospect cupboards and get younger, not take on crap such as Jussi Jokinen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, van_ws said: Going to be critical here with Benning but this is another fail of a trade deadline. How you do not get any draft picks by moving a valuable asset like Vanek is beyond me. He has had a few chances to obtain draft picks for several other players with nothing to show for. It is disappointing that we have so few draft picks. The Canucks need to build the prospect cupboards and get younger, not take on crap such as Jussi Jokinen. No One Offered Him A Pick For Vanek. Comprende? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Alflives said: Baer is a top six forward on a bottom five team. How does he help our final rebuilt team, if we want a final rebuilt team to be a good one? Baer is not going to get better. Sorry Alf, have to disagree again. Baer has progressively improved every day since he arrived. We can not have a team of just prospects and 22-23 year olds. When the prospects are ready in a few years, Baer will be in his prime and be part of the core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Based on the daily poll I'd say the CDC rage is overblown, its the usual 10-15% that freak out no matter what. This is the kind of deal we should have made for Vey, e.g., Turning 1 year free agents into potential prospects. Is it exciting, not really, but it is just one of many things the team needs to try. I'd be much more upset if all Jim got for Evander Kane was a guaranteed 2nd rounder. But, for the 10% of you that must lose your marbles, enjoy your tide pods tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, CaptKirk888 said: Sorry Alf, have to disagree again. Baer has progressively improved every day since he arrived. We can not have a team of just prospects and 22-23 year olds. When the prospects are ready in a few years, Baer will be in his prime and be part of the core. Your point is good about Baer, when the rebuild is complete, being a mature leader for the young group. I guess Sutter, and Gudbranson are part of the mature guys, who will be leading the youth. I can definitely see that now. And each one cost us (at least) a second round pick. Interesting connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 59 minutes ago, BananaMash said: TSN has be sensationalizing and throwing tantrums about the Canucks ever since the lost the radio rights to Sportsnet. They were bad before, they're even worse now. Andrew Walker has more integrity than most of the clowns on TSN - and that's saying something. I like listening to both post-game shows the following day. Just to get different perspectives from both sides. Don't think I can keep doing that. I think its time I make a complaint with their boss. The only way they get disciplined is if we bring it up to their boss. Then again the stations gotten worse since tsn took over so who knows if that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted February 27, 2018 Author Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: I listened to that too. Price couldn't be more patronizing and condescending. "even a blind squirrel finds a nut" "I guess that we have to take Linden's word that they couldn't get any draft picks"......are you effing kidding me? Unprofessional as he!! No wonder Linden is cold as hell to them 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: We NEVER HAD A PICK OFFERED. Don't think you can make it clearer than that, so what would have been acceptable was stupid to ask. TSN radio in Vancouver just is brutal. Yeah it's pretty brutal that they go to that extent to just to try and stir up some controversy. It's unfortunate Linden has to use that platform to reach some portion of the fanbase that hasn't switched over to 650 yet. ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, The 5th Line said: No other team seems to have problems snatching picks from other teams except us, and it's not just this year that it happened, it has become a pattern. Motte is 23, he's no spring chicken the proof is in the pudding with him and we have a good sense of what is ceiling will be already. If picks aren't available, it is Jim's job as GM to make picks available, he never seems to be able to do it. Over the last 4 years we have given up more picks than we have received, we keep bringing in reclamation projects and we still jsut keep finishing last in the league and sure Motte and Leipsic may be decent NHL'rs when it's all said and done but they aren't core players. Sure it is unlikely that a late round pick will become a core piece but the more picks you get the better chance you have of finding one of those players that you need. We only have 6 picks going in to the draft, that is not the way a rebuilding team should be doing things. I said the same thing to J.R as it seems to be the same damn guys defending literally every move JB makes. Grow a pair of nuts and tell us how you really feel The contradiction I keep coming back to is JB’s saying he builds through the draft, yet he trades away 2nd and 3rd round picks, which are really valuable, especially for a rebuilding team. We are not winning any Cup relying on a lot of the guys JB got in trade, but I think some of his draft picks (if there was more of them) could become really top guys on a Cup team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Your point is good about Baer, when the rebuild is complete, being a mature leader for the young group. I guess Sutter, and Gudbranson are part of the mature guys, who will be leading the youth. I can definitely see that now. And each one cost us (at least) a second round pick. Interesting connection. Sutter will be long in the tooth when this team competes again, but still a valuable leader that I think will be important. 2nd round picks are a grab bag, you never know what you are going to get, some pan out others don't, I like that we are getting players that are somewhat proven (AHL or NHL) who have shown some potential already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Yeah it's pretty brutal that they go to that extent to just to try and stir up some controversy. It's unfortunate Linden has to use that platform to reach some portion of the fanbase that hasn't switched over to 650 yet. ugh. I just want Trevor to answer the hard questions without pausing and stammering. His answers seem like he’s either avoiding the question, or he’s not being truthful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Lancaster said: Was surprised that Tanev wasn't moved. Considering there's like an arms race happening with some contenders, thought they could have traded him for some useful assets. Seeing what the Rangers got for McDonagh I'm not too disappointed. If it were Foote and a 1st coming back that would be different but if what the Rangers got was what was being offered, I'm glad we kept him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gameburn Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, van_ws said: Going to be critical here with Benning but this is another fail of a trade deadline. How you do not get any draft picks by moving a valuable asset like Vanek is beyond me. He has had a few chances to obtain draft picks for several other players with nothing to show for. It is disappointing that we have so few draft picks. The Canucks need to build the prospect cupboards and get younger, not take on crap such as Jussi Jokinen. It all comes down to whether Benning's version of money-hockey works: he likes College players and 21 to 24-yr old players who showed promise in the draft year, but have stalled a bit. With his method, you save development time for sure. And the other part of his reasoning is sound too: the older that a drafted/found player is, the more sure you can be of their potential. His way can improve a team steadily, on paper at least. My fear is that it may not be working; instead what we seem to be getting is a pretty mediocre team. Alf's point about aiming for the fences rather than settling for singles or walks has something to it. My hope is that Benning uses his version of money ball to make the team as a whole younger and faster, but that his drafting (the first 3 rounds primarily) will get us the home run. He has given up a few 2nd round draft picks, however, which does reduce our odds of hitting a home run (less at-bats.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, Rush17 said: I suspect one or two of Granlund and or Baertschi are dealt either in the off season or at the draft. I would agree that Granlund may go. His digression in point total could be the factor, although he was used in a much more defensive mode this year. Have to disagree on Baer tho, he's a keeper. His production is down due to injury, but still at a progressive pace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Doesn't mean he wasn't playing through an injury last night that could use some press box time tonight. Could say that of everyone who played last night. 1 hour ago, kilgore said: No, you know that Horvat and Boeser are about the only two untouchables on the team. Anyone else should have been available though above mid twenties. Benning has been here 4 years, and not only is he in a draft pick deficit overall, he doesn't even have a full roster of draft picks for this upcoming one. As well he hasn't brought in any signings that are deemed valuable enough to other teams to flip for picks either. On a rebuilding team, draft picks should be one of his biggest priorities, if not the biggest. Patience. yeah, well, that's no problem. If you are a long time fan like myself we are used to it. I have the right to vent about it though dammit! . Not sure what you are venting about though. What was out there? Did you want to see players simply moved for the sake of making a move. Moving Baer for a third round pick? Hutton for a fifth? Tanev, if there was a market, for a second? Benning could have been here 40 years and it doesn't change the present market and what the pieces are to work with. The Canucks currently have more promising prospects than they have had in a long time (ever?) and you don't trade any of those unless you get something better back. Sedins were not going to be moved. Others are likely not worth more than they are staying and playing. Further, you cannot use a term like "pick deficit" if he used the picks for equal or better prospects. Baer is a good example. Anyway, if you want to vent - and it makes you feel better - vent. Canucks remain a work in progress and the future looks soooo much brighter today than four years ago. If you cannot see that, not sure how to help you there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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