DS4quality Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: No One Offered Him A Pick For Vanek. Comprende? you don't actually believe that do you? I like Benning as much as the next guy but boy we do not need 2 more small forwards... the biggest x factor for me is if Holm plays and plays well in Vegas... There were lot's of picks going around you don't think we could have even got a 4th for taking Jokinen's contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 20 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: No One Offered Him A Pick For Vanek. Comprende? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, DS4quality said: you don't actually believe that do you? I like Benning as much as the next guy but boy we do not need 2 more small forwards... the biggest x factor for me is if Holm plays and plays well in Vegas... There were lot's of picks going around you don't think we could have even got a 4th for taking Jokinen's contract? You can't prove anyone offered can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, combover said: Ha ha, thanks combover, I am guessing in your next career as an NHL GM you will pull off amazing trades that will soothe the masses. In reality, we are a bottom dweller with some good talent and some middling talent. The middling talent was available for trade and typically will not attract much coming back our way. I think JB did just fine with what he had to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: You can't prove anyone offered can you? Did he ask? If you believe everything Bennning said than will you agree that we have a deep defensive prospect pool as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 19 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: No other team seems to have problems snatching picks from other teams except us, and it's not just this year that it happened, it has become a pattern. Motte is 23, he's no spring chicken the proof is in the pudding with him and we have a good sense of what is ceiling will be already. If picks aren't available, it is Jim's job as GM to make picks available, he never seems to be able to do it. Over the last 4 years we have given up more picks than we have received, we keep bringing in reclamation projects and we still jsut keep finishing last in the league and sure Motte and Leipsic may be decent NHL'rs when it's all said and done but they aren't core players. Sure it is unlikely that a late round pick will become a core piece but the more picks you get the better chance you have of finding one of those players that you need. We only have 6 picks going in to the draft, that is not the way a rebuilding team should be doing things. I said the same thing to J.R as it seems to be the same damn guys defending literally every move JB makes. Grow a pair of nuts and tell us how you really feel Wow, are you even looking at other teams and their work? 23 is "no spring chicken"...? Are you nuts? So you are saying, if there are not picks available he still needs to make them available? Do you think he should use coercion/extortion or simply bribe people? Wow. Today he took two UFAs he signed with zero risk and turned them into a 3rd, 4th and 6th - the former two with decent upside potential in today's NHL given their speed and overall nature of play. "Only six picks" going into the draft? Six picks is a nice number of picks to have. I am not defending anyone. I am just being realistic and your GM did just fine today. No, he didn't magically make anything happen but I guess he could have had Rick Nash for a first round pick and other things and had Nash leave in July. On the reverse, he could have traded Boeser or Horvat and perhaps got two firsts back for them both. Other than that, not much out there as the trades today showed. You come up with trades that were realistic, and then you can say your GM messed up but for what was out there, cannot see how this was all that bad. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DS4quality said: Did he ask? If you believe everything Bennning said than will you agree that we have a deep defensive prospect pool as well? You seem to know, what is your source Benning was lying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'm just saying I don't believe everything he says, he also said we would be fast and competitive earlier this year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, gameburn said: The complicating thing with Benning is his drafting. Virtanen is not necessarily his best moment; Juolevi is not Sergachev or McAvoy (both have made an impact much earlier); and while Pettersson looks like the real thing, he hasn't played in the NHL yet either (and he's a bit small.) Tryamkin and Boeser were his best picks by far. Vey, Etam, maybe now Goldobin and Motte: these kinds of pick ups (often giving up our own picks) might very well be a losing strategy. Next year determines whether Benning is successful or a flop; it really is in the balance. Virtanen is a legitimate NHL player and when the Canucks turn into a playoff team in a couple of years, his value will be immense. Juolevi is hopefully better than Sergachev - the latter came on strong this year on a stacked team and has been scratched or buried lately and with today's trade by his team, may not be seeing much ice for a while. McAvoy is a nice player - no problem saying he is ahead of OJ right now. Pettersson is only setting a nearly historic pace in arguably the world's second/third best league and many think he is best prospect currently not in NHL....he is also "larger" than many key NHL players in league right now and like all kids, will get bigger when he grows up. Others you note are shots every GM takes - you need to keep shooting - EVERY team does this. Vey was a very reasonable risk given background - it didn't work out. Baer was a similar risk and it worked out great. You don't win them all. I don't disagree that next year or the year after has to see improvement in the standings and in nature of the play in general. In the prospects I see the Canucks having and room your GM has to make further moves before next October - I think that is all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, DS4quality said: I'm just saying I don't believe everything he says, he also said we would be fast and competitive earlier this year too. Canucks are noticeable faster and more competitive then past two seasons this year. Sedin line is the only one that looks consistently slow. Many games that I watch the Canucks push the pace of play. Two more quick kids were picked up today and those in the prospect line, save perhaps Gadjo, are all quick players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Aquamen Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Man, you folks, we had no real assets to move. We didn’t have the luxury, like the Rangers. They are doing it right very jealous. What could of CDC done with this deadline? You know there is more that goes behind the scenes then just getting draft picks. Only sexy asset was Vanek. Yeah he did what he had to do, honestly do you think Vanek could of done what he had done in Van City, on different teams? No man he would of been at best a 3rd liner on most good/decent teams. Jimmy is staying the course and doing a great job. We got SKILL coming very shortly, something you can’t teach. I don’t want to develop a player with no skill, I want to develop players with SKILL. Either you have it or you don’t . We need young skilled and fast players, either you have it or you don’t, it’s a business. Let’s Go Canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, The 5th Line said: No other team seems to have problems snatching picks from other teams except us, and it's not just this year that it happened, it has become a pattern. Motte is 23, he's no spring chicken the proof is in the pudding with him and we have a good sense of what is ceiling will be already. If picks aren't available, it is Jim's job as GM to make picks available, he never seems to be able to do it. Over the last 4 years we have given up more picks than we have received, we keep bringing in reclamation projects and we still jsut keep finishing last in the league and sure Motte and Leipsic may be decent NHL'rs when it's all said and done but they aren't core players. Sure it is unlikely that a late round pick will become a core piece but the more picks you get the better chance you have of finding one of those players that you need. We only have 6 picks going in to the draft, that is not the way a rebuilding team should be doing things. I said the same thing to J.R as it seems to be the same damn guys defending literally every move JB makes. Grow a pair of nuts and tell us how you really feel If Benning were Jesus I bet he could turn water into wine and Vanek into picks. Too bad the only jesus plays for the Oilers and he's led them to the promised land already..... Oh wait, maybe he isn't Jesus after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said: Canucks are noticeable faster and more competitive then past two seasons this year. Sedin line is the only one that looks consistently slow. Many games that I watch the Canucks push the pace of play. Two more quick kids were picked up today and those in the prospect line, save perhaps Gadjo, are all quick players too. I don't honestly think we've been more competitive this year, at all. We did what we always do start hot and fade by January we win blow outs when the other team is tired or doesn't show up. at 5'9 and 5'10 I don't think these players make us hard to play against. My question is do you really believe we have a lot of good d prospects down the pipe? I would have rather another d-man for Utica's playoff push than another 2 small forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 5 hours ago, dukeofcanuck said: "We wanted picks, but we are pushing for the playoffs next year" -Benning Draft picks are like gold. But going for the playoffs and failing miserably is like diamonds. 4 hours ago, ChuckNORRIS4Cup said: How many picks do we have for 2018? Do we have any extra then the 1 we get per round? No. We have 6 picks for the 7 rounds. We are missing our 4th round pick. Rangers started their rebuild like last week, and have 10 picks next year. Including three 1st round picks! 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Motte's value is probably closer to a 2nd or 3rd round pick. So you'd rather have a 5th than a player with the value of a 2nd/3rd just because it's a 'pick'...? Three teams in three years with 7 career goals and he's worth a 2nd round pick? Give your empty head a shake bud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodycanuckleheads Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: So you are saying, if there are not picks available he still needs to make them available? Do you think he should use coercion/extortion or simply bribe people? At least 35 draft-picks changed hands over the last week. There were clearly draft-picks available (if we were willing to trade anything of value, which we weren't, yet again).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 25 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Wow, are you even looking at other teams and their work? 23 is "no spring chicken"...? Are you nuts? Wingers enter their prime at 23 on average. 23 is no spring chicken. It's a full grown chicken. Of course, some chickens are late bloomers but it's most likely the chicken we bought is the chicken we'll have. 25 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: I am not defending anyone. Are you calling our GM a nobody? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said: Wingers enter their prime at 23 on average. 23 is no spring chicken. It's a full grown chicken. Of course, some chickens are late bloomers but it's most likely the chicken we bought is the chicken we'll have. Are you calling our GM a nobody? Just like Marchasseault and William Karlsson right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: At least 35 draft-picks changed hands over the last week. There were clearly draft-picks available (if we were willing to trade anything of value, which we weren't, yet again).... Not for Vanek or Holm. They were lucky to deal Vanek. Get that they had to take Jokanen too. And they got a better player with the trade for the guy who has only played 1 NHL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, bloodycanuckleheads said: At least 35 draft-picks changed hands over the last week. There were clearly draft-picks available (if we were willing to trade anything of value, which we weren't, yet again).... Dummy. How are we supposed to win cups without guys like Baertschi or Gudbranson? /sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Camel Toe Drag said: Just like Marchasseault and William Karlsson right? Or Burrows too. What's your point? It doesn't nullify the fact that most wingers enter their prime at 23. In my original post I already indicated some players reach their potential late. Maybe read what you're responding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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