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1 minute ago, CanadianRugby said:

Lind, Gadovic, Demko.   Which of these guys would you trade for Tyler Motte?  Those are the guys our scouting staff found in the 2nd round under Benning.  

Draft picks >>>>>> Reclamation projects 

Vanek wasn't going to get us a 2nd or 3rd. Motte himself is a 4th round pick who is only in his 2nd year of being a pro. Based on his final year of college, if we had drafted Motte, everyone here would be singing his praises.

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5 hours ago, aGENT said:

Motte's value is probably closer to a 2nd or 3rd round pick. 

 

So you'd rather have a 5th than a player with the value of a 2nd/3rd just because it's a 'pick'...?

Well yeah, I mean my mortgage is only half paid down so I should definitely sell the house and buy lottery tickets with the proceeds because cdc. 

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5 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

All you have to do is type a URL in to the address bar.  Internet is a magical thing 

 

Juveniles get other people to do things for them.  Ironic? 

The title of the thread reads as follows; why should I have to do as you say, according to the title, the content should be in the op's post.

But of course, true logic is failing and entirely out of grasp for most people.

 

Jim Benning Press Conference - Post Deadline Edition 1:00pm PST

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10 minutes ago, The Great Canucks said:

Vanek wasn't going to get us a 2nd or 3rd. Motte himself is a 4th round pick who is only in his 2nd year of being a pro. Based on his final year of college, if we had drafted Motte, everyone here would be singing his praises.

I agree.  Go argue with @aGENT  he's the one arguing Motte is worth a 2nd rounder.

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1 minute ago, The Great Canucks said:

What the hell does that have to do with anything? You are whining and crying about only having one rookie this year. Next year we could potentially have 2-3.

We could potentially have 1.  

I'm talking about this year, after 4 drafts we have 1 rookie good enough to crack one of the worst lineups in the league in the middle of a rebuild.  

If you don't see that as a problem, then we fundamentally disagree on rebuilding in a salary cap system and no point in taking this discussion further.  

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2 hours ago, The 5th Line said:

No other team seems to have problems snatching picks from other teams except us, and it's not just this year that it happened, it has become a pattern.  Motte is 23, he's no spring chicken the proof is in the pudding with him and we have a good sense of what is ceiling will be already.  If picks aren't available, it is Jim's job as GM to make picks available, he never seems to be able to do it.  Over the last 4 years we have given up more picks than we have received, we keep bringing in reclamation projects and we still jsut keep finishing last in the league and sure Motte and Leipsic may be decent NHL'rs when it's all said and done but they aren't core players.  Sure it is unlikely that a late round pick will become a core piece but the more picks you get the better chance you have of finding one of those players that you need. We only have 6 picks going in to the draft, that is not the way a rebuilding team should be doing things.

 

I said the same thing to J.R as it seems to be the same damn guys defending literally every move JB makes.  Grow a pair of nuts and tell us how you really feel

to do this management has to be willing to play them

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13 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

In case you haven't noticed, the teams that win Stanley Cups do it in large part by buying a ton of lottery tickets.  

Yep, Motte “could” be better than what you get in a 2nd/3rd round pick.

 

What you lose is the upside of possibly finding a great player with that pick. 

 

I have faith in Benning to be able to find good players if he has enough picks.

 

There were a lot of picks switching teams this deadline and the couple weeks before.  Hard to believe we couldn’t turn any of our assets into some of them.  

We missed our chance of being one of the only sellers in the market a couple weeks ago.... a bunch of teams jumped in at the last minute.

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1 hour ago, CanadianRugby said:

Maybe offer some players with value then?  Baertschi, Gudbranson, Sutter, Hutton, Tanev, etc... 

Yes the kind of players other teams not expected to make the playoffs are trading and getting 1rst, 2nd and 3rd round picks for! We’re gonna end up with a log jam at the beginning of next season. Teams don’t like to buy players at the start of the season they’re optimistic and think they have the depth and don’t need to trade picks. That or just don’t have the cap space to make it work. The Motte and the Leipsic additions are fine but it’s gotta be out with the old and in with the new. There’s not enough roster spots for all of them. We just gonna end up waiving a few of these guys.

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51 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Well, objectively

 

Without extra draft picks (which IIRC we are one ahead of where we should be under Benning) Benning turned a bottom 5 prospect pool in to a top 5 in 2 years of missed playoffs.

 

Food for thought

Save your food, sadly some of these posters have bellimic brains ;) 

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35 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

Lind, Gadovic, Demko.   Which of these guys would you trade for Tyler Motte?  Those are the guys our scouting staff found in the 2nd round under Benning.  

Draft picks >>>>>> Reclamation projects 

I'm not eating straw for dinner, sorry. 

 

45 minutes ago, DS4quality said:

He also said our defensive pool was deep during that press conference.

We have loads of depth of middle, bottom pair, spare and potential bottom pair D prospects. Bucket loads of them. Hence why we moved one of them (Holm).

 

What we lack are blue chip D prospects that project to top 4/top pair. There's Juolevi, maybe Tryamkin in a couple years and maybe our 1st this year.  And a bunch of maybes who project more as depth D.

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Why wouldn't they want to move a defenseman? Ben Hutton has been a regular scratch, he should be playing if they want him to develop. Juolevi is coming as soon as next year. Not that they need to rush out and trade a guy but seems like a logjam is coming if not already here.

 

I like the Holm move, he's a bit older than the return and on a 1 yr deal, he didn't see to have a future here.

 

Would have been nice to get a pick for Vanek, I certainly wasn't impressed initially but if that's all he could get I hope Motte works out. (though it seems doubtful)

 

Its too bad they don't consider any other kind of changes. The team hasn't improved in years & probably won't improve significantly for a few more. Pretty jealous of teams like the Wings & especially the Rangers. If only we had made those moves a few years back when we had assets to get some good returns.

 

 

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1 hour ago, CanadianRugby said:

Have you seen the Vancouver Canucks?  There's a reason why I complain about them and our management over the last few seasons.  I'm no expert, but I know draft picks are pretty important for rebuilding through the draft.  Keep defending Benning, I get a kick out of what new excuses you clowns come up with every month.  It's getting harder and harder to blame Gillis.  

the truth of the matter is only losers need excuses,,,

Wonder how long "our prospect pool has approved" will be used? Eventually, the tar has to hit the road in order to finish the road that is being rebuilt.

 

How long will it take to give a fair assessment of how the prospects pan out...2, 3, 4 more years? It's been four years, another 4 years will be 8 years total. 

Benning has had the luxury of picking in the top 6 for three years now (JV, OJ, EP) and will possibly pick in the top 5 this year (that will be 4 years in the top 6)...I can't remember any other Canuck GM having this luxury.

 

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35 minutes ago, CanadianRugby said:

We could potentially have 1.  

I'm talking about this year, after 4 drafts we have 1 rookie good enough to crack one of the worst lineups in the league in the middle of a rebuild.  

If you don't see that as a problem, then we fundamentally disagree on rebuilding in a salary cap system and no point in taking this discussion further.  

They don't give out Stanley cups for having prospects develop quickly last I checked. 

 

And yeah, one rookie but there's a decent amount of youth and more coming but that doesn't fit the narrative so...

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