amplified0ne Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I think we still had a better deadline than Edmonton & Montreal. Although somehow we got players and Edmonton got picks lol. Calgary hoping to get in as they already spent their picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Yes the kind of players other teams not expected to make the playoffs are trading and getting 1rst, 2nd and 3rd round picks for! We’re gonna end up with a log jam at the beginning of next season. Teams don’t like to buy players at the start of the season they’re optimistic and think they have the depth and don’t need to trade picks. That or just don’t have the cap space to make it work. The Motte and the Leipsic additions are fine but it’s gotta be out with the old and in with the new. There’s not enough roster spots for all of them. We just gonna end up waiving a few of these guys. Lots of trades happen leading up to the draft and after teams miss out on free agency. I'd imagine Benning will be busy this June and July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I'm not disappointed JB didn't get much for Vanek. I'm disappointed this mgmt team wasted another year of rebuild. KIds didn't get significant ice time. Signed bad UFA's no one wants. Benning himself said today not one team offered a draft pick for Vanek. Not even a 7th round draft pick was offered. He traded Vanek by taking back salary dump and for a kid that will likely never make the NHL as a regular. He failed last summer by thinking this team had a chance at the playoffs. He should have signed UFA's to a higher salary but those that teams would want at tdl. A rebuilding team needs lots of picks. We don't even have our own, we're short one. That's a failure of mgmt. And don't tell me I'm a benning hater. I wanted him extended for 2 to 3 years as I feel stability leads to success. But I'm not blind either. This was a wasted year for Canucks' rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 26 minutes ago, aGENT said: Lots of trades happen leading up to the draft and after teams miss out on free agency. I'd imagine Benning will be busy this June and July. Definitely less urgency to add making prices lower. He’ll be busy in a slower market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Baer is a top six forward on a bottom five team. How does he help our final rebuilt team, if we want a final rebuilt team to be a good one? Baer is not going to get better. He's on pace for 48 points, that's a top 6 forward on any team. He's so underrated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said: Definitely less urgency to add making prices lower. He’ll be busy in a slower market. Nonsense. There's loads of movement in the summer. Usually far more action than on TDL, just like we saw this year. And instead of just dealing with the limited 15-20 contenders on the TDL, you have all 30 other teams looking to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adarsh Sant Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 hours ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: CDC: "We should have gotten picks for Vanek!!!" Benning: "We weren't offered any picks for Vanek." CDC: "Typical Dim Jim. Not getting picks simply because nobody was offering any picks" When looking at the rest of the players that were traded for picks, it is unfathomable that nobody offered picks for Vanek. Benning didn't do his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS4quality Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 I just hope we can get a solid d-man at the draft, If Benning goes hard for a good solid NHL ready or close to ready d-man I'm all in. If we could get a guy like Oliver Ekman-Larsson, or Doughty or Karlsson I'd be very happy (depending on price). I'd like someone younger but we probably ain't gettin Dahlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Adarsh Sant said: When looking at the rest of the players that were traded for picks, it is unfathomable that nobody offered picks for Vanek. Benning didn't do his job. I think you really need to have been aware of vanek reputation and achievements to date - especially relative to the post season. look i thoroughly enjoyed what he contributed here and part of me wants him back and I'll miss not watching his elite skill and creativity for the remaining 20 games but in no way did I expect anything more than a third round pick for him and where is the garuntee with a third rounder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Motte and Leipsic aren’t who I’m worried about Pettersson Horvat Boeser Baertschi Sutter Virtanen Gaudette Ganger Granlund Eriksson Dowd Archibald And thats without the twins. If Benning doesn’t make a move here it’s wasted assets bye bye Goldy! Benning has said he'll make room for prospects if they show they deserve it. Neither Gaudette nor Pettersson are a lock for next season. Neither are Dowd or Archibald. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, Adarsh Sant said: When looking at the rest of the players that were traded for picks, it is unfathomable that nobody offered picks for Vanek. Benning didn't do his job. So you are claiming that Benning must be lying when he said no picks were offered? On what basis do you disbelieve Benning? How can you demand something when no one is obligated to deal with you at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, aGENT said: Nonsense. There's loads of movement in the summer. Usually far more action than on TDL, just like we saw this year. And instead of just dealing with the limited 15-20 contenders on the TDL, you have all 30 other teams looking to improve. The main reason it seemed like a good amount of movement this last summer is because everybody was making deals with Vegas to protect players in the expansion draft. Players moved at the trade deadline is a fair bit more than the offseason. Mostly cap purposes for playoff pushes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 hours ago, aGENT said: People whining about draft picks. Benning just traded for pieces that allow us to make further moves pre (or post) draft. Short sighted panic as usual. We have a LOT of forwards now/coming. And that's without the twins or any UFA's (Kane?). Never mind what the market was for our scraps. Or that either of the players acquired have better odds than the 3rd's people are whining about not getting. At least this means if the twins move on, we're not stuck with the Megnas and Chaput's of the world. Going to need some depth and like you said better odds then A high pick. Everyones saying JB screwed up just makes me laugh. Old Arty57 and the Sportsnet flunkies saying we are better off with A 5th for Vaneck makes me laugh. Or how people think Holm was our best d prospect. Ya, I guess they don't realize he's 26 and until 3 games ago couldn't even crack our piss thin D corp. People keep saying JB doesn't like picks, but I think for every Vey there's A Baer or granny or Pouliot etc, that actually have made the NHL. Gaudette is the exception not the rule with 5th round picks. Not like we were going to get 2nds for those two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Adarsh Sant said: When looking at the rest of the players that were traded for picks, it is unfathomable that nobody offered picks for Vanek. Benning didn't do his job. His job is to get the best deal possible. If what we got for Vanek was the best we could do, then he did his job. He said nobody was willing to cough up a pick for Vanek, which means that you're calling him a liar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Warhippy said: Ya no. Not true at all. If you don't know what you are talking about don't speak just to fill the silence with noise Look up what pro rated means vs full contract Really, maybe you should look up that waived means any team can get the player without giving up anything and his team has to retain half his salary, unless he is traded, even half the PRO-RATED. Benning could have traded one for one and saved money. I guess he inadvertently weaponized the cap, by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: His job is to get the best deal possible. If what we got for Vanek was the best we could do, then he did his job. He said nobody was willing to cough up a pick for Vanek, which means that you're calling him a liar. Okay, if he is not a liar he is totally incompetent within their "plan". What are guys deaf as well and blind? One prospect next year, maybe two? The team needs o be bigger and tougher to play against and he gets Peewee and Peewee Jr. The team needs to get younger equals 34 yr old Jokien? No picks available for our players, what does that mean? Not good enough for ANY other teams? 30 other GM's don't think ANY of the Nuck players are worth offers? Get your head out of the sand! Had calls on players, didn't answer as to whether or no he called for shop any players other than Vanek. Actually, I now think that the "plan" is to tank without saying it for 5/6 years, feeding just enough prospects into the team to try to keep fan interest, I think there may be some other kind of league penalty for bombing, maybe a kind of unwritten rule thing, which may explain the lack of trade partners. Benning was rewarded for making everyone believe he really totally incompetent, I mean no one can be this bad without trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 4 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: Draft picks are like gold. But going for the playoffs and failing miserably is like diamonds. No. We have 6 picks for the 7 rounds. We are missing our 4th round pick. Rangers started their rebuild like last week, and have 10 picks next year. Including three 1st round picks! Three teams in three years with 7 career goals and he's worth a 2nd round pick? Give your empty head a shake bud. Even if they have 10 picks, they will have to sign them all within 2 years in order to win a few trades or risk them to re-entry to the draft unless they draft more college players which will afford them 4 years. This traded for picks will turn into more losses than wins because of 50 contract limit. If they pick them all and they could turn into a bust which will turn into more losses than wins and rebuild would be even longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Oh ya, did you catch the Gaudette comments? Sit down with him and his parents to see IF he wants to sign? That is a far cry from, when he gets here. The ramifications could be, he doesn't and it sounds like the Canucks are far from certain he will come, a quick back track on "he will be here". FA next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 Don't you all realize, a fewer picks = more contract slots open for any college free agents. They seem to be more covet than draft picks due too many late boomers in college panning out in NHL lately. A trade for any prospect without any draft picks back, we keep them for until their current contract expires and if we think he is not panning out for us, we let him go: Vey as an example, and if they don't pan out, more contract slot will open up for more opportunities due to constraint of 50 contract limit. We take advantage of their development of their own players to us in any trade in that when they come to our team, they will have learn new things and could become a better player for us when the players combine other team's program to our program. Our program stunk for years until recent due to lack of proper development and our prospect will not learn new things when they make our team and tend to bust more often than not. Granlund, and Baerstchi was developed by Calgary, Poulioit was developed by Penguins, Boeser was developed by U of ND without any one minute spent by our development program via Comets. These are a few examples when they arrived, they seemed to have some success but not without any adversity due to adjustment time and come out a prized players for us and this is just beginning. This is reason why Benning did not rush our recent picks and let them learn something by different programs all over to have some success with us. Demko is one of an example, he was our own draft pick but he spent time in college to develop something greater. He is proving it to us in AHL and soon to be with us within one or two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 27, 2018 Share Posted February 27, 2018 49 minutes ago, coolboarder said: Don't you all realize, a fewer picks = more contract slots open for any college free agents. They seem to be more covet than draft picks due too many late boomers in college panning out in NHL lately. A trade for any prospect without any draft picks back, we keep them for until their current contract expires and if we think he is not panning out for us, we let him go: Vey as an example, and if they don't pan out, more contract slot will open up for more opportunities due to constraint of 50 contract limit. We take advantage of their development of their own players to us in any trade in that when they come to our team, they will have learn new things and could become a better player for us when the players combine other team's program to our program. Our program stunk for years until recent due to lack of proper development and our prospect will not learn new things when they make our team and tend to bust more often than not. Granlund, and Baerstchi was developed by Calgary, Poulioit was developed by Penguins, Boeser was developed by U of ND without any one minute spent by our development program via Comets. These are a few examples when they arrived, they seemed to have some success but not without any adversity due to adjustment time and come out a prized players for us and this is just beginning. This is reason why Benning did not rush our recent picks and let them learn something by different programs all over to have some success with us. Demko is one of an example, he was our own draft pick but he spent time in college to develop something greater. He is proving it to us in AHL and soon to be with us within one or two years. The odd paragraph indentation would help The Canucks would/will have to jettison contracts as it is just to sign players they haven't sign yet. Probably 6 from this years draft, 4 from past drafts and the players in junior turning pro. Without calling any player bad that is on this team, collectively the team has been 25th or worse for 5 years, with the exception of the McDavid tank year. So no matter what the fans think or are told, the standings don't lie. Even Benning, in his TDL presser said no teams wanted Nucks players, twice. IMO Demko was ready this year but cie la vie, it is the "plan". This group together is performing even worse than last year, they are higher in the standings likely due to another "generational" talent available in this years draft. It is not how good this team comparing it to itself, it is how good is it compared to other teams or in the league. What is the use of the Canucks having a development team if they prefer players from other development programs, what does that say about management's confidence about their own program? The team stills see's that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, they have had 4 years to develop players in the team's system and still prefer players with only one or two years development in other systems, something is not right there. The "letting them go" is bad asset management, the Canucks are picking up players that other teams are "letting go" and paying draft picks for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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