iceman64 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 We pretty much wasted (with the 2011 exception) the Sedins talent by letting them get beat and never won a Stanley cup, their time with Anson Carter was the best and we need that again with a skilled TOUGH BIG player on every line or it will happen all over again to Bo, Brock, and Elias and whoever else we put in the line up as it's been for years. It was heartbreaking to see a sedin mouth covered in blood and then hearing the BS saying of payback on the scoreboard but failing to remember a guy/s can only take so much before injury or exhaustion take it's toll and for once just once if we toughen up for a change and not waste the talent all over again then the re-build might actually work, butter soft doesn't... losing Tryamkin was a hue blow, excuse the pun but this is really gone from watching exits from the playoff's year after year because of this was beyond painful for everyone to watch... Just for once can we PLEASE protect our ASSets Mr Benning and stand up to the likes of the Bruins or Kings if they turn nasty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, iceman64 said: We pretty much wasted (with the 2011 exception) the Sedins talent by letting them get beat and never won a Stanley cup, their time with Anson Carter was the best and we need that again with a skilled TOUGH BIG player on every line or it will happen all over again to Bo, Brock, and Elias and whoever else we put in the line up as it's been for years. It was heartbreaking to see a sedin mouth covered in blood and then hearing the BS saying of payback on the scoreboard but failing to remember a guy/s can only take so much before injury or exhaustion take it's toll and for once just once if we toughen up for a change and not waste the talent all over again then the re-build might actually work, butter soft doesn't... losing Tryamkin was a hue blow, excuse the pun but this is really gone from watching exits from the playoff's year after year because of this was beyond painful for everyone to watch... Just for once can we PLEASE protect our ASSets Mr Benning and stand up to the likes of the Bruins or Kings if they turn nasty? Wow, what a concept. I don't think I have ever seen this topic before. Great idea. I am sure many will support the concept. What has Benning been thinking? Taking that Swede Nylander over Virtanen - crazy. Refusing to put a big Dman in line-up like Florida's Guddy. And, wait for it, he made sure Dorsett retired too. No question, trade anyone under 240 lbs now! Get to it Benning! PS - what hue is Tryamkin? Green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pavelbure96 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Burrows>>>Carter Old news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 We need to address this if, and when it happens. Gudbrandon is no slouch. Plus, I would rather beat them silly on the scoreboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: PS - what hue is Tryamkin? Green? Periwinkle.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 At this point I believe there is a small portion of the fanbase that will always think we are soft no matter how tough we are. It's like they think unless we send a player on another team to the IR every game this team is buttery soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 Toughness is a team concept that needs to go up and down the lineup. Having two guys that aren't great players that are tough does not make us tough. The Bruins have a lot of smaller skilled players but they play a hard nosed game collectively. Size does not equate to toughness. Toughness without skill equates to loosing. Our group does not play a particularly tough game. Where Benning has tried to focus on toughness he has been fairly unsuccessful. Gudbranson, Jake, Dorsett prior to this year, Prust... None of them very good hockey players (there is still hope for Jake). He has also tended towards the Hobo on skates model of toughness as he tries to sprinkle the occasional tough player into a pillowy soft lineup and that doesn't really work that well. If you can build a team that is mobile, big plays tough with every shift than that is great, but in a soon to be 32 team league that is very hard to build. It gives the smaller guys room to move and create. It is not the 70s or 80s though. No one is scared of Semenko coming off the bench. Most of the "dirty" plays that you have your tough guy there to protect against happen so fast now that they are really reflexive to the situation and there would be no time to reconsider just because Gudbranson is on the bench or on the ice for that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 10 hours ago, iceman64 said: We pretty much wasted (with the 2011 exception) the Sedins talent by letting them get beat and never won a Stanley cup, their time with Anson Carter was the best and we need that again with a skilled TOUGH BIG player on every line or it will happen all over again to Bo, Brock, and Elias and whoever else we put in the line up as it's been for years. It was heartbreaking to see a sedin mouth covered in blood and then hearing the BS saying of payback on the scoreboard but failing to remember a guy/s can only take so much before injury or exhaustion take it's toll and for once just once if we toughen up for a change and not waste the talent all over again then the re-build might actually work, butter soft doesn't... losing Tryamkin was a hue blow, excuse the pun but this is really gone from watching exits from the playoff's year after year because of this was beyond painful for everyone to watch... Just for once can we PLEASE protect our ASSets Mr Benning and stand up to the likes of the Bruins or Kings if they turn nasty? With WNP looking set to take the mantle in the West, or at least top four, cleaning the speedy mid sized Uber skilled NSH clocks right now I'm of the same mind. You need a balance of skill and size to survive both in this conference and in the playoffs. And before somebody points out PIT, I'd like to point out its disgraceful that the best player of his generation in Crosby has had to put up with the sort of punishment he has. Anyone can skate into a stars numbers now and at most take a few days off in a suspension without fear of serious retribution. Wilson broke a jaw, out of the playoffs with a late hit to the head and even as a repeat offender only got three games. My hope is it cost WSH the series, small win while one of your players uses a straw to eat for a month. WNP seems to have that throwback truculence that if someone took a shot at one of their stars or smaller players that they would have to deal with the entire team running them the rest of the year plus instant retribution. Used to be players rarely lost star players to injuries, now it's so common it almost feels like it's acceptable. Which it never is. Benning should sign at least one enforcer IMO, let the other teams decide whether or not they want to respond by doing the same, and if possible get bigger, meaner and tougher guys that can play too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 10 hours ago, iceman64 said: We pretty much wasted (with the 2011 exception) the Sedins talent by letting them get beat and never won a Stanley cup, their time with Anson Carter was the best and we need that again with a skilled TOUGH BIG player on every line or it will happen all over again to Bo, Brock, and Elias and whoever else we put in the line up as it's been for years. It was heartbreaking to see a sedin mouth covered in blood and then hearing the BS saying of payback on the scoreboard but failing to remember a guy/s can only take so much before injury or exhaustion take it's toll and for once just once if we toughen up for a change and not waste the talent all over again then the re-build might actually work, butter soft doesn't... losing Tryamkin was a hue blow, excuse the pun but this is really gone from watching exits from the playoff's year after year because of this was beyond painful for everyone to watch... Just for once can we PLEASE protect our ASSets Mr Benning and stand up to the likes of the Bruins or Kings if they turn nasty? Tampa seems to be standing up just fine against the Bruins... Leafs pushed them to the edge in round 1. For a pair of Assets (Henrik and Daniel) that apparently took a beating their whole career....they sure had a long and healthy career (with the exception of a lone setback for Daniel which was on the receiving end of a vicious elbow by Keith). Enforcer or not, this vicious hit given by a elite player can happen at any time, you can't stop it. Bergeron was on the receiving end of one with the Bruins, but seemed to have recovered ok. Simon Gagné had multiple concussion playing with the millennium version of the Broad Street Bullies. Wasn't it this year that Doughty received multiple head shot during the season? It happens everywhere, it happened when every team had true enforcers. These guys are pretty much extinct. Washington, San Jose, St-Louis and Philly have been the biggest and/or toughest teams in the league the past few years and what do they have to show for??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyBoy44 Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 5 hours ago, 24K PureCool said: At this point I believe there is a small portion of the fanbase that will always think we are soft no matter how tough we are. It's like they think unless we send a player on another team to the IR every game this team is buttery soft. On the contrary, some us think the team is soft because our own players are sent to the IR every game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, timberz21 said: Tampa seems to be standing up just fine against the Bruins... Leafs pushed them to the edge in round 1. For a pair of Assets (Henrik and Daniel) that apparently took a beating their whole career....they sure had a long and healthy career (with the exception of a lone setback for Daniel which was on the receiving end of a vicious elbow by Keith). Enforcer or not, this vicious hit given by a elite player can happen at any time, you can't stop it. Bergeron was on the receiving end of one with the Bruins, but seemed to have recovered ok. Simon Gagné had multiple concussion playing with the millennium version of the Broad Street Bullies. Wasn't it this year that Doughty received multiple head shot during the season? It happens everywhere, it happened when every team had true enforcers. These guys are pretty much extinct. Washington, San Jose, St-Louis and Philly have been the biggest and/or toughest teams in the league the past few years and what do they have to show for??? I'd recommend watching Ice Gaurdians on Netflix. Its interesting how misunderstood the enforcer role is, and how important it was when we had them. There's a reason Gretzky wouldn't go to LA unless McSorley came with him, yes your right things still happened to players back then, but the amount of overall man games lost and concussions has gone up exponentially since they petered out of the league, same with injuries in generap... If you check the entire list of players that had their careers cut short due to concussions only a couple were enforcers, which is telling that it's not fighting that causes most of them. There is no code anymore, anyone can do something to another player and not have to worry about watching their back. The enforcer is in hibernation IMO, all it would take is one team to bring them back and others will follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, MikeyBoy44 said: On the contrary, some us think the team is soft because our own players are sent to the IR every game. Tougher lineup going to stop pucks to the face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 hours ago, IBatch said: I'd recommend watching Ice Gaurdians on Netflix. Its interesting how misunderstood the enforcer role is, and how important it was when we had them. There's a reason Gretzky wouldn't go to LA unless McSorley came with him, yes your right things still happened to players back then, but the amount of overall man games lost and concussions has gone up exponentially since they petered out of the league, same with injuries in generap... If you check the entire list of players that had their careers cut short due to concussions only a couple were enforcers, which is telling that it's not fighting that causes most of them. There is no code anymore, anyone can do something to another player and not have to worry about watching their back. The enforcer is in hibernation IMO, all it would take is one team to bring them back and others will follow. True. I figure that hits from Scott Stevens were the cause of the majority of these concussions. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 this is why we draft players like Gadjovich ie toughness that can play and sign young players like MacEwen. not really news, and not really something that Benning needs to be made aware of. Finding those types of players for your top 6 though - is easier said that done, and arguably, your Boston example doesn't really have 'toughness' (or a whole lot of size) in their top 6, so.... which of Pastrnak, Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, DeBrusk are particularly large or intimidating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, oldnews said: this is why we draft players like Gadjovich ie toughness that can play and sign young players like MacEwen. not really news, and not really something that Benning needs to be made aware of. Finding those types of players for your top 6 though - is easier said that done, and arguably, your Boston example doesn't really have 'toughness' (or a whole lot of size) in their top 6, so.... which of Pastrnak, Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, DeBrusk are particularly large or intimidating? Those guys you mentioned are all not easy to play against though. They play hard nosed hockey, regardless of their size. (God I hate that RAT Marchand!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Burkie? Is that you Brian Burke? Truculence!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Gollumpus said: True. I figure that hits from Scott Stevens were the cause of the majority of these concussions. regards, G. For sure Lindros wasn't happy or the same after the train hit him. To me the most reckless hit was Cooke on Savard, he was a great player, and Boston surely missed his services after. Nobody could clean him up, Asham tried and was bit lol, eventually the discipline by the league which was expedited by Cookes recklessness ( the immediately changed the rules again to make the head the primary point of contact no matter what the offending players responsibility after Savard) helped clean up Cookes game for a couple years. Its a touchy issue, but personally I think there is a lot of misinformation regarding the positive impact an enforcer has on their teams, the toughest job in hockey adds a lot of culture. And entertainment. They stand up for their teammates and the best ones can also play third line minutes, Chris Simon, Tie Domi, Tiger Williams, Bob Probert etc, and even become great players like Rick Tochett, Dave Manson (two all-star game appearances, and also Odjicks first fight, a loss, but later that night he went again and beat Grimson) Dale Hunter etc. Hockey just isn't the same now that fighting is almost gone, used to be everyone stood up in the stands and even the benches when guys like Probert and Brown came out after a cheap shot, the entire tone of the game changed, now guys just head to the dressing room injured and the other guy heads to the penalty box smiling inside because he knows Odjick or Brashear won't be waiting for him when he gets out. Marchand and Kadri are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 G-A-D-J-O-V-I-C-H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Alflives said: Those guys you mentioned are all not easy to play against though. They play hard nosed hockey, regardless of their size. (God I hate that RAT Marchand!!!) Plus Debrusk had the bloodlines given his Dad was a regular pugulist, fought Odjick all the time, and had an intimadating build. Maybe he will pull a Max Domi vs Kesler the first time someone makes the mistake in dropping the gloves with him, I'm sure his Dad has given him pointers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 10 hours ago, 24K PureCool said: At this point I believe there is a small portion of the fanbase that will always think we are soft no matter how tough we are. It's like they think unless we send a player on another team to the IR every game this team is buttery soft. I would say pillow soft, not quite cloud soft but pretty close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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