aGENT Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I had the same thought. It sounds to me like Benning really wants him to make the team this year, and if he outplays Hutton and Pouliot, well, then he'll play. This is what I think the D will look like this year: Edler - Stecher Hughes - Tanev Del Zotto - Gudbranson Pouliot Hutton waived to Utica. Juolevi will join the team after the TDL (when they trade Del Zotto) IF, Hughes signs (which is certainly up in the air still) and indeed doesn't look over matched to play at the NHL level (likely IMO), that's my best guess as well. At worst he might get 'Stechered' while they try to trade Hutton/wait for injury but I think you're pretty close there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 15 hours ago, Horvat is a Boss said: The fact that he played the vast majority of this past year as a winger. The fact that when he moved up from the Allsvenskan to the SHL, in increase in quality of competition, he got put on wing. The fact that it's been more than a year since he's played there for an extended period of time. The fact that the last time he did was in Sweden's second tier, which isn't remotely comparable to the NHL. More than that, I think putting Pettersson at center next year would highlight his weaknesses (literally) and hide his strengths. He would get outmuscled by bigger players down low in situations where it matters defensively. It also gives him less leeway offensively as he has more responsibilities to worry about in his own end. If he plays wing next year, he would have more offensive freedom and less defensive responsibilities. That way, when he does get outmuscled, it won't mean as much defensively as it will likely be in the offensive zone. Let him have fun and play to his greatest strength next year, which is creativity in the offensive zone, rather than throwing him to the wolves defensively in his first year in the NHL. Just so we're clear, I'm not saying Pettersson can't play center, just that he shouldn't play center next year. If it were up to me, I'd play him as a winger for his first two seasons and then try him at center in his 3rd year after he's established. If his point totals dip due to the increased defensive responsibility, then we might get a cheaper deal as his ELC expires. If they don't, well who's complaining. Fair enough, I can see that as a decent plan. One thing that may have influenced his play at wing this year was that the Lakers were going for a championship, less room for error. EP won’t have the same team focus this season. So there is less need to shelter him. I can see an experiment at center for EP as Green will want to see what he has in Jiangxi new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 17 hours ago, Kanukfanatic said: Screw it...we were tied for first last year before game 1!!!!! WOOOOOOO Not sure what your getting at here...but let me say this... Injuries killed us last year because it was to top end players and we had no-one to bring up with talent, skill and intestinal fortitude.... This year we will have many kids ready to go either on the team or in Utica....we can more than survive 3-4 injuries to top players with Dahlen, Jasek, Goldy, Gaunce, Archibald and Gaudette if he doesn't make the team to start out....that's 4 skilled guys that are better a D. than Gagner and better on O. than most of our bottom 9 forwards. Then there is either or both of Quinn and Joulevi ...we won't be anywhere near as vulnerable to injuries as last year. ...and no Gaunce or Goldy or Archie or Boucher will not get grabbed off waiver's...at least to start the season...every team is more worried about getting there own guys down than picking up another player who they can't sen down for a month or 6 weeks ( they have to keep him with the big club for a period of time before they are allowed to send him down) Waivers at the start of the season shouldn't scare anyone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: I had the same thought. It sounds to me like Benning really wants him to make the team this year, and if he outplays Hutton and Pouliot, well, then he'll play. This is what I think the D will look like this year: Edler - Stecher Hughes - Tanev Del Zotto - Gudbranson Pouliot Hutton waived to Utica. Juolevi will join the team after the TDL (when they trade Del Zotto) I do think that the only change will be Edler and Gudbranson being paired, as they were a very effective pair last season that neutralized Boston's top line, which was one of the most productive in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Fair enough, I can see that as a decent plan. One thing that may have influenced his play at wing this year was that the Lakers were going for a championship, less room for error. EP won’t have the same team focus this season. So there is less need to shelter him. I can see an experiment at center for EP as Green will want to see what he has in Jiangxi new players. If EP doesn't play centre this year...maybe not until xmas or so...but that leaves us playing Gagner or Granlund at centre ...unless they realize that Gaudette is twice the player Gagner is and put him at 3C... We need EP or AG to play centre at some point this year and to trade Gagner as soon as possible... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: So going back to my point, making trades to open roster spots complicates things. Why has Hughes not signed yet? I know for a fact Benning wants to sign Hughes. Hughes has stated he thinks he is ready, and can help the team now. He wants to sign, could it be he is waiting for a roster spot to open? Everyone seems to think Benning can make trades happen so easily if prospects are ready, and losing players for nothing is no big deal. Seems like everyone is saying can’t have 3 rookies on same team and win. Someone should have told Toronto I guess that you can’t win with Marner Mathews and Nylander. New Jersey with Bratt, Hishier, Butcher. Colorado with Kerfoot, Compher, Jost, Gerardi. Boston with Mcavoy Heinen, Debrusk. Guess all their rebuilds were a failure. Those are just the teams that had at least 3 rookies in prominent roles, but throughout the league lots of teams had at least 3 rookies. But I guess those teams just made mistakes spending their money on good payers and filling their roster with rookies. There is so much convoluted fail here that is lacking in understanding of how the game works it is almost impossible to respond. IF you honestly believe adding talented veteran leadership that will play in the bottom six (likely bottom 3) somehow is not aligned with developing younger players and creating an environment for success you are either willfully ignorant or just putting random words together as it is a slow evening in your life. IT DOESN'T MATTER what other teams are doing as each team has its own stage, its own prospect pool and its own mix of players that make sense for THAT team. For the first time in a long while, the Canucks have depth. They had three raw rookies in the lineup a few years back - and it didn't work well for two of them. This year, they could be there again but are soooo much more ready to do so AND, guess what, they don't have to rush any of them and instead of having to rush a Virtanen and stunt development, they can put an EP, OJ or whomever into the lineup because they actually earned it. Sorry to Hughes thread readers - this thread was seemingly hijacked and I just contributed but at some point, some of the insanity that creeps into CDC gets to some of us.... @aGENT you have been fighting the good fight I see! Back to Hughes, great talent and IF he is ready, he will be on the team without anyone getting in his way. The GM said as much just a day ago. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 13 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: Best face off team in nhl last year .... wait for it Carolina. Yep winning face offs wins games that’s for sure. Stupid me I thought scoring more goals than the other team wins games.. For the record, you said it. No one else did. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 55 minutes ago, aGENT said: I see HW covered this already. Goldobin is simply not competing with Beagle for a spot in any sane person's mind. He is competing with the likes of Leipsic, Baer, Gagner, Dahlen etc for a top 6 skilled W spot. Want one of their spots? Take it. Plain and simple. If you're not good enough, we'll move on to (or stay with) the guy who is. Beagle will be on the team because we need a tough, match up, PK'ing, face off winning 4C to shelter all the skilled kids we hope are winning jobs in the top 6. None of our prospects fill that role. As for Schaller: Gaudette could be competing for a third line centre spot, so yes Beagle could block him if Horvat Sutter Pettersson also make the team. Sutter could have been our 4th line centre. 3rd line could be something like Goldobin-Gaudette-Virtanen. Not with signings though 5 minutes ago, aGENT said: IF, Hughes signs (which is certainly up in the air still) and indeed doesn't look over matched to play at the NHL level (likely IMO), that's my best guess as well. At worst he might get 'Stechered' while they try to trade Hutton/wait for injury but I think you're pretty close there. You really think Hughes is gonna sign up for the Stetcher treatment. Tryamkin bolted because he got that treatment too, and he was a 3rd round pick. Sure wish we had him in lineup last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: There is so much convoluted fail here that is lacking in understanding of how the game works it is almost impossible to respond. IF you honestly believe adding talented veteran leadership that will play in the bottom six (likely bottom 3) somehow is not aligned with developing younger players and creating an environment for success you are either willfully ignorant or just putting random words together as it is a slow evening in your life. IT DOESN'T MATTER what other teams are doing as each team has its own stage, its own prospect pool and its own mix of players that make sense for THAT team. For the first time in a long while, the Canucks have depth. They had three raw rookies in the lineup a few years back - and it didn't work well for two of them. This year, they could be there again but are soooo much more ready to do so AND, guess what, they don't have to rush any of them and instead of having to rush a Virtanen and stunt development, they can put an EP, OJ or whomever into the lineup because they actually earned it. Sorry to Hughes thread readers - this thread was seemingly hijacked and I just contributed but at some point, some of the insanity that creeps into CDC gets to some of us.... @aGENT you have been fighting the good fight I see! Back to Hughes, great talent and IF he is ready, he will be on the team without anyone getting in his way. The GM said as much just a day ago. Oh please enlighten me. Please show me another team that spent big money on 4th line players and became successful. I’ve shown examples of teams that get rookies in their lineups and win. So please show me a team with 8 mill tied up for 10 years on 4th line. Not including declining assets, these are brand new signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 14 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: Not sure what your getting at here...but let me say this... Injuries killed us last year because it was to top end players and we had no-one to bring up with talent, skill and intestinal fortitude.... This year we will have many kids ready to go either on the team or in Utica....we can more than survive 3-4 injuries to top players with Dahlen, Jasek, Goldy, Gaunce, Archibald and Gaudette if he doesn't make the team to start out....that's 4 skilled guys that are better a D. than Gagner and better on O. than most of our bottom 9 forwards. Then there is either or both of Quinn and Joulevi ...we won't be anywhere near as vulnerable to injuries as last year. ...and no Gaunce or Goldy or Archie or Boucher will not get grabbed off waiver's...at least to start the season...every team is more worried about getting there own guys down than picking up another player who they can't sen down for a month or 6 weeks ( they have to keep him with the big club for a period of time before they are allowed to send him down) Waivers at the start of the season shouldn't scare anyone.... My point was that saying we were a playoff team last year after whatever number of games is a silly comment. You are either a playoff team or you are not. Last year it was clear the Canucks were not...no matter what silly scenario you can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Viper007 Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: Oh please enlighten me. Please show me another team that spent big money on 4th line players and became successful. I’ve shown examples of teams that get rookies in their lineups and win. So please show me a team with 8 mill tied up for 10 years on 4th line. Not including declining assets, these are brand new signings. How bout you put your opinions on another thread. This is a Hughes thread, not an OMG THE CANUCKS SUCK AT ASSET MANAGEMENT!!! thread. There are tons of threads there that you can add your opinions on in the canucks talk section. 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: Gaudette could be competing for a third line centre spot, so yes Beagle could block him if Horvat Sutter Pettersson also make the team. Sutter could have been our 4th line centre. 3rd line could be something like Goldobin-Gaudette-Virtanen. Not with signings though You really think Hughes is gonna sign up for the Stetcher treatment. Tryamkin bolted because he got that treatment too, and he was a 3rd round pick. Sure wish we had him in lineup last year. No reason he can't still compete for a sheltered 3C 'depth offensive/kid' line. Something like Baer, Gaudette, Pettersson could work quite well should he earn that. He could also easily start out on say Sutter's wing and even take draws should Sutter get waived (Roussel, Sutter Gaudette). That'd be a fun line to watch in transition IMO. Hell, I wouldn't hate seeing him tried as the third guy on Horvat's line. Again, summer signings don't remotely stop either scenario from happening. Do I think Hughes would be ok with spending a couple weeks in Utica while they wait for injury or trade to open a spot? Yes, I absolutely do. And it has nothing to do with tryamkin or reasons why he may or may not have left for. Edited July 27, 2018 by aGENT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Kanukfanatic said: My point was that saying we were a playoff team last year after whatever number of games is a silly comment. You are either a playoff team or you are not. Last year it was clear the Canucks were not...no matter what silly scenario you can come up with. You do seem to be getting your feather's ruffled.... I have an idea why not "posterize" me with one of my predictions...put at the bottom of all your replies and we will see who ends up getting posterized.... We will be in playoff contention this year....we may not make until next year but from there we will be a playoff team for years to come. There ya go... In the meantime how about not being so silly as to call people silly.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I dont think he is more NHL ready than Joulevi, as a result i think he is headed to Michigan or Utica until bodies can be moved or next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: You do seem to be getting your feather's ruffled.... I have an idea why not "posterize" me with one of my predictions...put at the bottom of all your replies and we will see who ends up getting posterized.... We will be in playoff contention this year....we may not make until next year but from there we will be a playoff team for years to come. There ya go... In the meantime how about not being so silly as to call people silly.... Try comprehending what you read. You said the Canucks were a playoff team last year (at some point) and that statement is the most ridiculous thing anyone could say. You make excuses like injuries blah blah blah. I am a strong Canuck fan and even I realize they were a tire fire...look at where they picked at the draft. Quit being so silly with your posts. Edit: anyway...what about that Quinn guy... PS: GO POSTERIZE YOURSELF!! Edited July 27, 2018 by Kanukfanatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kanukfanatic said: Try comprehending what you read. You said the Canucks were a playoff team last year (at some point) and that statement is the most ridiculous thing anyone could say. You make excuses like injuries blah blah blah. I am a strong Canuck fan and even I realize they were a tire fire...look at where they picked at the draft. Quit being so silly with your posts. Edit: anyway...what about that Quinn guy... ....and off you go to my newly minted ignore list....you are NUMBER 2....sorry you didn't make #1 All my "silly" comments have come true so far..... Have a nice life.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said: Oh please enlighten me. Please show me another team that spent big money on 4th line players and became successful. I’ve shown examples of teams that get rookies in their lineups and win. So please show me a team with 8 mill tied up for 10 years on 4th line. Not including declining assets, these are brand new signings. Washington. Los Angeles. Pittsburgh...etc. They have another thing in common..... As far as teams that throw rookies to the fire too early without support? That list includes: Buffalo Arizona Florida Edmonton Carolina...etc. Oh, and by putting all their contract year together to try and imply that they have 10 years from now....cute trolling....but, c'mon, you got better game than that. 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchincanucks Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Washington. Los Angeles. Pittsburgh...etc. They have another thing in common..... As far as teams that throw rookies to the fire too early without support? That list includes: Buffalo Arizona Florida Edmonton Carolina...etc. Oh, and by putting all their contract year together to try and imply that they have 10 years from now....cute trolling....but, c'mon, you got better game than that. Sorry bud but wrong. Those teams did not spend anywhere close to that money on forth line. Post salaries and term for forth line players on those teams. Also difference in rookies as I have said repeatedly, our rookies are developed in other leagues. Those rookies you speak of were on teams with poor goal tending straight from draft. But mostly those teams were done in by pour management. Or maybe you think Taylor Hall-league mvp last year for Adam Larson was a good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kanukfanatic Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Rollieo Del Fuego said: You do seem to be getting your feather's ruffled.... I have an idea why not "posterize" me with one of my predictions...put at the bottom of all your replies and we will see who ends up getting posterized.... We will be in playoff contention this year....we may not make until next year but from there we will be a playoff team for years to come. Haha...some of your previous posts that came true like you say: September 7, 2014Cole Cassels | C Rollieo Del Fuego replied to JE14's topic in Prospects / In the System Great blood line...I think Cassels is a lock for the 3rd line in a couple years. December 27, 2015 Andrey Pedan | D Rollieo Del Fuego replied to SilentSam's topic in Alumni Pedan is not slow...at all. Weber looked slow, Edler is slow, Pedan has good speed and is more agile than Weber or Edler. September 23, 2016 Cole Cassels | C Rollieo Del Fuego replied to JE14's topic in Prospects / In the System You do have a big head...full of space... Cassels will make the largest jump in points and playing time of all our prospects this year...blowing the ceiling right off. May 14, 2017 Anton Rödin | RW/LW Rollieo Del Fuego replied to b3.'s topic in Alumni Rodin will be skating circles around Erikkson May 19, 2017 Jonathan Dahlén | C/LW Rollieo Del Fuego replied to Mathew Barzal's topic in Prospects / In the System Stecher, Hutton and Juolevi may well have the upside of Ellis, Jossi and Subban ...and they go on and on. So please don't mind me if I don't agree with your silly posts about the future upside. I will stick with Quinn posts in this forum from now on. Edit: this is just a tiny sample of the predictions lol. Edited July 27, 2018 by Kanukfanatic 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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