Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Odd. said: Do you know whos hes playing with? he made that guy look like a beer leaguer The entire Leaf's D corp...... 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 On Hughes: I’m fine if he goes back to college. Won’t hurt him one bit and the extra gym time will be beneficial. I’m also good if he goes pro. The fact he can play in Utica and take a “break” for the world Jrs is big for him. He’s proven he can play with men it’s just the 82 game grind I’d be cautious on. We also have a dearth of LHD so if he slides out of the lineup on the odd night for, say, Hutton that works too. Lots of ways to manage his season if he goes pro. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: If he earns it, great. Sutter or Beagle can play wing. Problem solved. Or Pettersson can play W if he earns that spot. Or Gaudette can play W part of the year. There's loads of options for whichever cream rises to the top and people are fretting about it!? "Oh know, we have depth and options! What will we doooooo????!!" Edited July 27, 2018 by aGENT 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, ilduce39 said: On Hughes: I’m fine if he goes back to college. Won’t hurt him one bit and the extra gym time will be beneficial. I’m also good if he goes pro. The fact he can play in Utica and take a “break” for the world Jrs is big for him. He’s proven he can play with men it’s just the 82 game grind I’d be cautious on. We also have a dearth of LHD so if he slides out of the lineup on the odd night for, say, Hutton that works too. Lots of ways to manage his season if he goes pro. Ya, this echoes my thoughts on him as well. Felt same with Boeser about another year versus when he came to Canucks. These kids (and let's face it, they are kids) know themselves but need some objective development input from a process and they have to avoid any development plan that isn't their own.....it is like people pointing to any given draft year and saying "X was in league at D+1 so clearly better than Y who isn't at D+3" as that may be a ridiculous thing to say as Y could easily end up being much better, longer career and so forth. This team finally has some options so that no young player HAS to be making the team this year - that only improves those players as they develop in a competitive environment. No one improves if you don't have any competition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Just wanted to post this quick. Compare what you see above to what you see below: That's insane. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, aGENT said: Or Pettersson can play W if he earns that spot. Or Gaudette can play W part of the year. There's loads of options for whichever cream rises to the top and people are fretting about it!? "Oh know, we have depth and options! What will we doooooo????!!" No kidding. Especially since JB has stated he’d make room and has a history of being almost ham-fisted in his approach to the roster, assets be damned, if he wants to get something done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Herberts Vasiljevs Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: That was Datsyukian... 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Gaudette is a two-way center who could play in the bottom-6, but there's not room for him. He could've followed the Horvat route. I think this needs to make this into a sig, because I have a feeling the copy-and-paste is going to be frequent these next two months... Quote "And make no mistake, if young players come in and prove that they deserve to be on this time, I will make room for them, I will move out other players whether through trades or sending them to the minors, but we will make room for them." - Benning 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: I think this needs to make this into a sig, because I have a feeling the copy-and-paste is going to be frequent these next two months... It's all a ruse, Hutton. Jim will trade Elias for Lucic, Quinn for Weber. We're going down the rabbit hole now. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 I love how some are trying to turn it in a negative thing the fact that the Canucks, as they start to emerge from this down portion of a cycle, finally have competition for spots and the luxury of bringing youth in gradually. HOW is it a problem to have more than enough NHL caliber players and allowing the best of them to win the spots on the team? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Tsn 1040 and sportsnet 650 rafio both confirmed that Trevor Linden had been one of the few voices in Canucks management before stepping doen was that Quinn would be best served to go back to Michigan. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 11 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Tsn 1040 and sportsnet 650 rafio both confirmed that Trevor Linden had been one of the few voices in Canucks management before stepping doen was that Quinn would be best served to go back to Michigan. 21 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: With the events of the past 24 hours, the likelihood (imo) of Quinn Hughes being signed has gone from 60% to 80%. The likelihood of moving veterans sooner than later, including Edler, has also increased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: The likelihood of moving veterans sooner than later, including Edler, has also increased. Quinn Hughes is a fabulous player, who is ready for top NHL minutes. JB will move out whomever he needs to create space for the next friggin’ Bobby Orr! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, aGENT said: To be frank, Leipsic and Goldobin are past the point of 'best situation to develop'. It's put up or shut up time for both. Are they good enough to be NHL'ers, or not? Easy bottom 6 minutes?! I don't think you're paying attention to how they're structuring the team. Sutter and Beagle's lines are going to be playing the hardest minutes on the team (PK/dzone/match up). They're going to be creating the easy minutes that Pettersson and to a lesser extent, Horvat's lines are going to enjoy. Assuming Gaudette doesn't earn a spot on one of those two offensive lines, he'd quite arguably be far better off spending part/all of the season playing top 6 minutes/situations in Utica in an offensive role. Again, management doesn't view him as a 4th liner. We don't have a prospect with Beagle's skill set/role. Precisely (one of many) the reason he was targeted and signed. No, I think they'd trade Baer as he has actual trade value. I've been saying for probably a year plus that he's gone as soon as someone better replaces him. Whether that's Goldy, Dahlen etc...we'lll find out soon enough. He's not going to be part of the 'next core'. If Leip/Goldy can't beat out the likes of Gagner/Granlund etc for a job or Gaudette or Dahlen leap frogs them...why the hell shouldn't they be waived? It's not exactly a tall bar to clear. Put up or shut up time. What's the point of rebuilding if you fill it with sucky AHL tweeners who can't cut it and didn't earn their spots? So you're going to evaluate whether Goldobin/Leipsic can put up based on training camp alone? Both players have paid their dues in the AHL and deserve an extended look to see if they can bring their games to the next level. That doesn't mean they will, but they just need the oppurtunity for more than 3 games. We've already seen that they can look good for 10-15 games, we just need to see that for 70 now. I would have Gaudette in the bottom 6, but that doesn't mean he needs the tough defensive matchups. There would still be at least one other line centered by Sutter/Beagle that could do that. As for management viewing him as a 4th liner, are you telling me that they viewed Horvat as a 4th liner in his rookie year too? What about Virtanen? We have Sutter who's fills Beagle's role exactly. Trading Baertschi immediately after re-signing him would make Benning look bad to all the players. He's exercised good will to players in the past (Higgins, Miller, etc.) so that doesn't seem very likely. Less options than originally thought. Goldobin/Leispic should not be waived because training camp does not determine who can produce over the course over an NHL season. McCann would've been a 30 goal rookie if that was true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV's Coin Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Quinn Hughes is a fabulous player, who is ready for top NHL minutes. JB will move out whomever he needs to create space for the next friggin’ Bobby Orr! And that includes Linden! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: The likelihood of moving veterans sooner than later, including Edler, has also increased. I would think the opposite. Too lazy to dig up the reports but they did indicate that Trevor was against the recent FA signings and was more on the side of ‘let’s not rush things.’ And it created a rift with the ownership as they believe that with young talent like Hughes and Pettersson and the recent FAs and the vets we have like Edler, that we can push for the playoffs and win this season. Not saying at all that the ownership’s view is shared by Benning, but his plans to go about things next season align much more with the Aquilinis than Trevor’s plans do. My thinking in short would be that TL came to Vancouver having literally no experience and was obviously brought in to appease the fans by the ownership. And originally he deferred pretty much all decisions to Benning because he knew it was he right things to do as he wasn’t qualified, but as he started learning and gaining experience, hearing the displeasure from the fans, and seeing how rebuilding has been done by others, he wanted to do the same. And as he started voicing himself more it obviously didn’t go too well with the Aquiinis who love Benning and had originally hired Trevor as really just a marketing figurehead (you can’t really argue otherwise). Eventually differing opinions became too apparent and I believe Trevor stepped down himself. Edited July 27, 2018 by Grape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: So you're going to evaluate whether Goldobin/Leipsic can put up based on training camp alone? Both players have paid their dues in the AHL and deserve an extended look to see if they can bring their games to the next level. That doesn't mean they will, but they just need the oppurtunity for more than 3 games. We've already seen that they can look good for 10-15 games, we just need to see that for 70 now. I would have Gaudette in the bottom 6, but that doesn't mean he needs the tough defensive matchups. There would still be at least one other line centered by Sutter/Beagle that could do that. As for management viewing him as a 4th liner, are you telling me that they viewed Horvat as a 4th liner in his rookie year too? What about Virtanen? We have Sutter who's fills Beagle's role exactly. Trading Baertschi immediately after re-signing him would make Benning look bad to all the players. He's exercised good will to players in the past (Higgins, Miller, etc.) so that doesn't seem very likely. Less options than originally thought. Goldobin/Leispic should not be waived because training camp does not determine who can produce over the course over an NHL season. McCann would've been a 30 goal rookie if that was true. Nobody's suggesting you evaluate them on camp alone. Like I said, I have both penciled in on my presumed roster. What happens from there is up to them. I think you fundamentally don't understand how the bottom 6 is shaping up to be structured. Or how that differs vastly from when Horvat or Virtanen came on to the team. The makeups of the two teams are not remotely similar. No, Beagle does not fill Sutter's role exactly. If Baer (or any other player) becomes expendable, they become expendable. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: OK, going to dissect this. Goldy and Leipsic have been given offensive minutes and have shown flashes but neither of them are NHL locks at this stage but no vet signed this summer stands in their way - if anything, they are competing with one another (and Canucks having real competition is a nice change. Gaudette will benefit more playing limited minutes in NHL versus development front line minutes in AHL? Will just say I am very happy you are not in charge of player development for any team I have interest in. EP will get his minutes IF he makes the team. He will NOT be on the 4th line or penalty killing - however, those signings may save his assets from harm. Virtanen has been allowed just that and look at the progress last year. NO ONE signed this year will get in Jake's way. I know some are susceptible to whiny media types but rise above that and instead of creating false narratives, listen and believe in your coach and GM who say if a young player outperforms a vet, the vet is gone. Simple, powerful message. Listen to it and until you see something different, why not trust it? Last year, there was not a single young player held back - in fact, some players were thrown in beyond their ability to cope due to lack of depth. Depth has been addressed to a degree sufficient that a safe development environment with sufficient competition now exists. I'm not saying that Goldobin or Leipsic are top-6 locks, but we need to see if they are. If one or both of them show that they can be legitimate top-6 players then great, if they don't then we can move on. We just need to opportunity to evaluate them fairly. Can you show me a lineup where both of those players are put in good offensive positions? As for Gaudette, can you remind me what Horvat did in his first year in the NHL? And remember, Horvat was a top-10 pick, Gaudette was a 5th rounder. If Horvat can start on the 4th line and work his way up to the 1st, tell me why Gaudette can't do the same. That Pettersson comment was completely out of nowhere. In the post you quoted I literally say "Pettersson is the top priority to get offensive minutes." Can you explain how you took that to mean 4th line and/or penalty killing minutes? Can you show me a lineup where Pettersson, Goldobin and Leipsic are given a chance to show their offensive potential, while Gaudette has a spot to adjust to the NHL, all while Virtanen has the freedom to move up and down the lineup as his play dictates? Because if you can I'll be happy as all of our young NHL players will be in good spots. 1 hour ago, Rob_Zepp said: So you are essentially calling Green and Benning liars? Why remain the fan of a team that you cannot believe their coach or GM? Why do you choose to not believe them? They could not have been clearer about the fact that if ANY young player outplays a vet, poof the vet will be replaced with that youth. Are you telling me the Canucks are no bigger than Benning and Green? Really? If those two guys got canned the Canucks would fold and cease to exist? Can you name me 3 players that could be moved to make room for any of Goldobin, Leipsic, Gaudette, Dahlen and/or Pettersson? I think Benning has done a good job overall, but there are some things he's better at than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanukfanatic Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: Can you name me 3 players that could be moved to make room for any of Goldobin, Leipsic, Gaudette, Dahlen and/or Pettersson? Eriksson (especially now that his actual salary is much lower than 6m) Baertschi (although personally I like him) Gagner (Chicago rumors a couple months ago) Granlund I am not saying they will move these players but they certainly could if they feel the youngsters have forced their way onto the roster. Edit: and some contending teams may want the depth if they can get a good deal. Edited July 27, 2018 by Kanukfanatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 8 minutes ago, aGENT said: Nobody's suggesting you evaluate them on camp alone. Like I said, I have both penciled in on my presumed roster. What happens from there is up to them. I think you fundamentally don't understand how the bottom 6 is shaping up to be structured. Or how that differs vastly from when Horvat or Virtanen came on to the team. The makeups of the two teams are not remotely similar. No, Beagle does not fill Sutter's role exactly. If Baer (or any other player) becomes expendable, they become expendable. Period. Where we'll be evaluating one of them from the press box. Nice. The role of the bottom-6 isn't set in stone. Every team in the Conference finals (East and West) got there with at least 1 offensive/two way center in their bottom 6 as opposed to a defensive specialist (Eller, Gourde, Little and Haula). We don't need two defensive specialists in out bottom-6. And I think Benning would disagree on moving Baertschi, at least for the next little while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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