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2 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

My take on the Hughes signing is that they probably have a deal in place, but they are trying to make a trade prior to signing him. There's not enough room for him with the current contracts on the team so they need to get a trade done before he signs. If they sign him 1st, it takes value away from the trade they are trying to make, because teams will look at the logjam on defense and give a lowball offer based on the need to offload a D-man. I think the Del Zotto to Chicago rumors make the most sense in terms of getting a deal done. I'd like to see Del Zotto and Gagner deal to Chicago for picks and a prospect.

Curious to see what return you think we'd get?

 

4th, 5th and a C prospect is my guess. We may even have to retain IMO. I dunno I could be off.

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1 minute ago, canuckledraggin said:

My take on the Hughes signing is that they probably have a deal in place, but they are trying to make a trade prior to signing him. There's not enough room for him with the current contracts on the team so they need to get a trade done before he signs. If they sign him 1st, it takes value away from the trade they are trying to make, because teams will look at the logjam on defense and give a lowball offer based on the need to offload a D-man. I think the Del Zotto to Chicago rumors make the most sense in terms of getting a deal done. I'd like to see Del Zotto and Gagner deal to Chicago for picks and a prospect.

Totally agree seems like the others on here don’t seem to understand this fact. Not sure they can convince Hughes to sign with out clearing a spot. There needs to be an opening for competition. I have been saying trades need to happen now, not after they don’t make the team. Trading 1 player is no big deal but when you need to make 3 or 4, you will have no leverage. Every GM is going to be looking to take advantage of Benning.

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4 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

My take on the Hughes signing is that they probably have a deal in place, but they are trying to make a trade prior to signing him. There's not enough room for him with the current contracts on the team so they need to get a trade done before he signs. If they sign him 1st, it takes value away from the trade they are trying to make, because teams will look at the logjam on defense and give a lowball offer based on the need to offload a D-man. I think the Del Zotto to Chicago rumors make the most sense in terms of getting a deal done. I'd like to see Del Zotto and Gagner deal to Chicago for picks and a prospect.

Nobody wants to give up picks or prospects for those players right now. Teams have signed new players and or very optimistic that their own youth can fill up the rest of the roster. Teams will also have to send a few decent project players through waivers. Why throw away assets in the summer unless it’s for a dcorps changing type of player. Tanev might be the only body on defence we could move right now but I don’t think Vancouver wants to trade him.

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1 hour ago, Horvat is a Boss said:

 

Where did that come from?

 

I just said we should try and build a good team like the ones we saw this year and now I'm being questioned as a fan? 

 

 

Code for you couldn't. That's fine, it's summer. We don't have all the answers yet. 

All those teams did exactly what Vancouver is doing....that is what is so funny and that is where that "came from".   In fact, most took longer to do it than it appears it will take Vancouver.    

 

You seem to be a plastic fan - one that only likes a team when it is at the top of a cycle else you would clearly see what this team is doing and be excited about the future which looks pretty damn exciting.

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12 minutes ago, Western Red said:

Curious to see what return you think we'd get?

 

4th, 5th and a C prospect is my guess. We may even have to retain IMO. I dunno I could be off.

I think you're undervaluing MDZ and Gagner as a fit on a Blackhawks team that is starving for legit NHL players. If you look at their team the way it's setup, They have huge holes that need to be filled https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/blackhawks

 

I'd be asking for Dylan Sikura or Jokiharju. and a 2nd/3rd plus a late pick. If we have to eat salary so be it. There's lots of cap space to eat there.

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22 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

For Hughes, though, he has the AHL “out” that Jake didn’t.. as well as a high skill game that is elite at any level rather than relying a lot on his physical tools like Jake.  Again, I’m fine with whatever Quinn decides but I think the pro route could work if he goes this way. We still have Olli to watch!  Maybe Linden’s input is why Q is taking his time to really think about it.  

Really hoping at least one of them makes it, perhaps both.  Have to keep bringing the youth in.

 

14 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said:

My take on the Hughes signing is that they probably have a deal in place, but they are trying to make a trade prior to signing him. There's not enough room for him with the current contracts on the team so they need to get a trade done before he signs. If they sign him 1st, it takes value away from the trade they are trying to make, because teams will look at the logjam on defense and give a lowball offer based on the need to offload a D-man. I think the Del Zotto to Chicago rumors make the most sense in terms of getting a deal done. I'd like to see Del Zotto and Gagner deal to Chicago for picks and a prospect.

From Benning's demeanor yesterday, even if they don't make any moves before camp I don't think it changes his mind.  If Hughes earns a spot and we can't move anyone, we stick someone on waivers on the last day before the roster has to be set.

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39 minutes ago, ilduce39 said:

That argument kinda works against you, though, as Brock had a fabulous season and those 2 games didn’t mean a thing.

 

I’m loving the battles heading into camp... others will run around like chicken little with his tail feathers on fire.

 

Guaranteed a kid or two people think should be on the team gets sent to Utica after pre season.  I also guarantee those players, if they keep up the success in Utica, will get a proper NHL look before the season is done.  

One of those players was a runner up for a major NHL piece of hardware and the other one was cut.   Hmmmmm - isn't that exactly what Benning and Green have talked about?

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1 minute ago, Hutton Wink said:

 

 

From Benning's demeanor yesterday, even if they don't make any moves before camp I don't think it changes his mind.  If Hughes earns a spot and we can't move anyone, we stick someone on waivers on the last day before the roster has to be set.

Agreed, but there is a reason that the deal hasn't been done yet. I'm just guessing obviously, but it would make more sense to try to make a trade and get some assets instead of just waiving our signed players. The blueliners who could possibly be waived are Hutton and Biega. I fully expect Biega to be waived and Hutton is the other possibility. Biega will clear, but Hutton would be a waiver risk and wouldn't be a player that I would give away for free.

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So from what I’m hearing is that if Olli Juolevi, Quinn Hughes, Elias Pettersson, Jonathan Dahlen, Adam Gaudette, Goldobin, Leipsic come into camp are the best players they will all make the team. Great I’m on board, if they all make the team I’ll be super happy. I honestly think those players will

show the best in preseason but I have very little hope they all make the team. I hope Benning keeps his word to do that, but I don’t think he will period.

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22 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said:

Really hoping at least one of them makes it, perhaps both.  Have to keep bringing the youth in.

Yeah, we could sure use a blue chipper on the back end.  OJ is kind of forgotten but he has the size / skill to be a regular. He might have an adjustment period in the A while Hutton and Pouliot duke it out but I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do as well.

 

22 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

One of those players was a runner up for a major NHL piece of hardware and the other one was cut.   Hmmmmm - isn't that exactly what Benning and Green have talked about?

Exactly.  It might not happen on the last day of camp but it’ll get sorted.

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4 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said:

So from what I’m hearing is that if Olli Juolevi, Quinn Hughes, Elias Pettersson, Jonathan Dahlen, Adam Gaudette, Goldobin, Leipsic come into camp are the best players they will all make the team. Great I’m on board, if they all make the team I’ll be super happy. I honestly think those players will

show the best in preseason but I have very little hope they all make the team. I hope Benning keeps his word to do that, but I don’t think he will period.

Nope. That's not how it works. With the number of injuries this team has had over Benning's tenure, that would make zero sense. We finally have organizational depth and a strong depth pool that can be called upon from the minors. Are they going to just give away established NHL players in order to make room for players who can provide the organizational depth that the team has been lacking for a decade? That makes no sense. Goldobin and Leipsic are not waiver eligible and maybe one of those guys gets waived or traded, but other than that, I think those other guys get waived. Pettersson is on the team obviously, but putting young guys on the team, who may be marginally better than established NHL'rs would be stupid. What if a player lights up the pre-season like MCcann did? Are you making room for him or going with depth?

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On 7/25/2018 at 11:14 AM, Odd. said:

What happens if Pettersson scores less than 50 points? Are you going to label him a bust? Because that's more likely than him scoring 90 freaking points which no rookie since Crosby has done. 

 

You're setting yourself up for disappointment. Also, EP, is not the best player in that draft. That goes to Nico Hischier. We wont know whos the better for another few years.

 

How Odd. is it to be so hypocritical?

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Bringing in the Hobey Baker award winner last year Adam Gaudette could not possibly help, just look at Will Butcher, Alex Kerfoot or Brock Boeser, god knows they didn’t help, it’s just too big a jump from college to nhl. Jonathan Dahlen who carried his team to the SHL surely can’t be an improvement on Gagner, even though he has great chemistry with Pettersson. Pettersson only broke records in SHL, which seems to have earned himself a spot, but not at his natural position of centre. Leipsic and Goldobin might as well just give them away to make room for all stars Jay Beagle and Tim Schaller. Quinn Hughes is too small and young to make the team, looked good playing against nhl players at world championship but small sample size, so better to keep floundering nhl players over larger sample size on a defence that looks primed to make zero changes. That should be a big improvement on one of the lowest scoring defences. Olli Juolevi is being called a bust cause Sergachev made it to nhl ahead of him, better stick him in AHL. 

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48 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said:

So from what I’m hearing is that if Olli Juolevi, Quinn Hughes, Elias Pettersson, Jonathan Dahlen, Adam Gaudette, Goldobin, Leipsic come into camp are the best players they will all make the team. Great I’m on board, if they all make the team I’ll be super happy. I honestly think those players will

show the best in preseason but I have very little hope they all make the team. I hope Benning keeps his word to do that, but I don’t think he will period.

You are such a negative nancy. How about you wait to see what happens before you assume that they all make the team. Besides, some might not, which is a very high possibility. No matter, they can still be important pieces down the road, especially if roster players are injured.

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7 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

How Odd. is it to be so hypocritical?

I love how you skip the post where i corrected myself.

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9 minutes ago, Watchincanucks said:

Bringing in the Hobey Baker award winner last year Adam Gaudette could not possibly help, just look at Will Butcher, Alex Kerfoot or Brock Boeser, god knows they didn’t help, it’s just too big a jump from college to nhl. Jonathan Dahlen who carried his team to the SHL surely can’t be an improvement on Gagner, even though he has great chemistry with Pettersson. Pettersson only broke records in SHL, which seems to have earned himself a spot, but not at his natural position of centre. Leipsic and Goldobin might as well just give them away to make room for all stars Jay Beagle and Tim Schaller. Quinn Hughes is too small and young to make the team, looked good playing against nhl players at world championship but small sample size, so better to keep floundering nhl players over larger sample size on a defence that looks primed to make zero changes. That should be a big improvement on one of the lowest scoring defences. Olli Juolevi is being called a bust cause Sergachev made it to nhl ahead of him, better stick him in AHL. 

LOL

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1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

You are such a negative nancy. How about you wait to see what happens before you assume that they all make the team. Besides, some might not, which is a very high possibility. No matter, they can still be important pieces down the road, especially if roster players are injured.

Oh I’m almost certain they don’t all make the team. I’m not being negative, I just don’t see Benning doing what he keeps promising. That if young players come in and earn a spot he will get them in. He has not shown he is willing to do it. He keeps signing vets filling the spots young players should be playing in. What trade has Benning made early in the season to make room for a player? He waits for injuries, and I hope we don’t waste the first 20 waiting to get a player into the lineup.

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