JM_ Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Bure_Pavel said: I would just take a page out of Montreal's draft last year and just take your guy. I Dont think he makes it past 5, if not 3. I thought Montreal was nuts for doing that, but their scouting was better than my cursory glances at prospect web sites. Go figure. Drafts are fun tho, there's a lot of risk in those top 5 picks and sometimes a gem falls to you like it did with Hughes. Same thing might happen this year at 9 thanks to the depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, aGENT said: It also becomes far more about tiers of players the deeper you get in to a draft. 'BPA!' is something people like to exclaim when they don't know WTF they're talking about Even In Tiers of players you can have BPA in that tier. Looks like you don’t know WTF you’re talking about Edited April 3, 2019 by Setyoureyesontheprize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: if by some miracle the Canucks picked 3rd, you do have to wonder if Jim goes down spots this time for Byram even though he's ranked anywhere from 3 to 10, or does he go with Cozens? its not an easy choice. http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/2019-nhl-draft-rankings/ Yeah that 3 hole is a toughy. Personally I hope we're the team that jumps a bunch of spots and lands at #2 should we win a lotto pick. I mean getting the 'Hughes Bros' would be neat and all but I think Kakko actually suits our needs better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Setyoureyesontheprize said: Even In Tiers of players you can have BPA in that tier. Looks like you don’t know WTF you’re talking about By definition, no, not really. -A level or grade within the hierarchy of an organization or system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yeah that 3 hole is a toughy. Personally I hope we're the team that jumps a bunch of spots and lands at #2 should we win a lotto pick. I mean getting the 'Hughes Bros' would be neat and all but I think Kakko actually suits our needs better. Pearson-Bo-Kakko - lots of size and skill there to be sure. Kid could probably step into that right away as well. There's enough talent in the top 15 I'm not worried about getting a future top 6 or top 4 d. I am very glad we don't have to wait long to find out either. Assuming Edmonton doesn't win 1st oa. Then I'll probably barf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 lol BPA Every GM probably has a different list of BPAs. Who's to say who is better for the Canucks: Zegras or Krebs. Do we know? We all have our favorite for whatever reasons. No one is right or wrong. Assuming the Canucks are out of the Top 2 - If Byram is there, take him. End of story. If he's gone, then I would target Turcotte or Dach. If the Canucks are picking around #10, I think they should take Caufield. They need scoring bad, and this guy averages 2 points a game. Sure, he's only 5'7" or something, but he's probably not done growing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: Pearson-Bo-Kakko - lots of size and skill there to be sure. Kid could probably step into that right away as well. There's enough talent in the top 15 I'm not worried about getting a future top 6 or top 4 d. I am very glad we don't have to wait long to find out either. Assuming Edmonton doesn't win 1st oa. Then I'll probably barf. I'd see if he could work on Pettersson's LW personally. If EDM wins again it will be all of funny, sad and infuriating to me. 4 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: lol BPA Every GM probably has a different list of BPAs. Who's to say who is better for the Canucks: Zegras or Krebs. Do we know? Exactly. Scouts don't even know. 31 minutes ago, aGENT said: 'BPA!' is something people like to exclaim when they don't know WTF they're talking about Edited April 3, 2019 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: If EDM wins again it will be all of funny, sad and infuriating to me. lol I was thinking the same thing. Damn those lousy Oilers and their high draft picks! Well, maybe they'll draft Podkolzin and he'll refuse to report lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) I would like to hope there is more science involved and players are given ratings based on different skills, attributes, and potential they possess. Then the ratings are are sorted in tiers based on rating differentials. BPA would mean selecting the highest rated player as long as their rating differential is within a certain number of points in front of the player behind them. Edited April 3, 2019 by Bure_Pavel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seannnp Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 15 minutes ago, aGENT said: By definition, no, not really. -A level or grade within the hierarchy of an organization or system. That is incorrect. In the context of the draft/prospects, a tier is a grouping of players of similar skills and talents. Just because they are grouped together does not suggest they are equally talented. You can still have players that can be arranged hierarchically within a tier. eg. Tier 2 = Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Krebs, Byram, Podkolzin. Arguably BPA would be arrange in the following: Cozens, Byram, Podkolzin, Turcotte, Dach, Krebs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Seannnp said: That is incorrect. In the context of the draft/prospects, a tier is a grouping of players of similar skills and talents. Just because they are grouped together does not suggest they are equally talented. You can still have players that can be arranged hierarchically within a tier. eg. Tier 2 = Turcotte, Cozens, Dach, Krebs, Byram, Podkolzin. Arguably BPA would be arrange in the following: Cozens, Byram, Podkolzin, Turcotte, Dach, Krebs. No, really it means (in relation to the draft anyway) they're of basically equal player value with varying skills, talent, size, personality, speed/skating, position played etc. That they're in the same tier means exactly that they're is no clear, individual 'BPA' and that individual scouts/teams will rank them differently based on their individual team needs and preferences. See last year's draft for all the example you need. The fan notion of 'BPA' is laughingly oversimplified. Edited April 3, 2019 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 every teams BPA list could be different, just as every cdc gm’s BPA list is different. i see us either drafting 9th or 10th. none of knows who the BPA is at that point. canuck scouts and management spend countless hours making that list. we read things, watch some high lite clips and put our lists together. who do you think would make better decisions? on some lists, turcotte is ranked 3rd BPA, on other lists, he’s rated 12th. i rank him 3rd but if he’s still available when we pick, i’ld be happy if we took him. then again, the canucks might not like him at all. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Sometimes it's not just about skill, speed, shot, skating, grit, etc. They also discover what kind of character the player has. The last few drafts for Benning he seemed to target character players, started with Boeser in 2015 IMO. (they probably never paid much attention to "character" when they drafted McCann and Tryamkin in 2014), but since then... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, smithers joe said: every teams BPA list could be different, just as every cdc gm’s BPA list is different. i see us either drafting 9th or 10th. none of knows who the BPA is at that point. canuck scouts and management spend countless hours making that list. we read things, watch some high lite clips and put our lists together. who do you think would make better decisions? on some lists, turcotte is ranked 3rd BPA, on other lists, he’s rated 12th. i rank him 3rd but if he’s still available when we pick, i’ld be happy if we took him. then again, the canucks might not like him at all. Every teams BPA list is different, as is every media guru's. This is a list of 22 "expert" rankings http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/2019-nhl-draft-rankings/ who's correct? After Hughes and Kakko there's a lot of variability. Any number of great players could fall to us at 9th or 10th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, NUCKER67 said: Sometimes it's not just about skill, speed, shot, skating, grit, etc. They also discover what kind of character the player has. The last few drafts for Benning he seemed to target character players, started with Boeser in 2015 IMO. (they probably never paid much attention to "character" when they drafted McCann and Tryamkin in 2014), but since then... character is such a big piece of whats going on right now. The quality of just good people on the team now is great. This is why the combine is such a big deal, they can tell which kids will fit in with guys like Bo and Brock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: Every teams BPA list is different, as is every media guru's. This is a list of 22 "expert" rankings http://www.mynhldraft.com/2019-nhl-draft/2019-nhl-draft-rankings/ who's correct? After Hughes and Kakko there's a lot of variability. Any number of great players could fall to us at 9th or 10th. But Jimmy, there's obviously a clear, individual 'BPA'... Edited April 3, 2019 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, aGENT said: But Jimmy, there's obviously a clear BPA... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: character is such a big piece of whats going on right now. The quality of just good people on the team now is great. This is why the combine is such a big deal, they can tell which kids will fit in with guys like Bo and Brock. Thats why I think Krebs would be a really good fit, character for days. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 hours ago, aGENT said: Different scenario and relative position of strength Markstrom ..... ..... DiPietro Bachman ..... Kielly Mazanac Leighton Kulbakov Not pretty, especially if this season was an outlier for Markstrom. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Markstrom ..... ..... DiPietro Bachman ..... Kielly Mazanac Leighton Kulbakov Not pretty, especially if this season was an outlier for Markstrom. UFA. Nobody's suggesting you don't replace him. Edited April 3, 2019 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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