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The problem with trading Markstrom is goalies are voodoo. I really like Demko alot but he's not ready to be a starter yet. He's no guarantee to even be a great starter. But throwing him to the wolves won't help his development. I like Dipietro alot too for that matter, but he's far from a guarantee also.

 

Its been a tough year for Demko, he hasn't played alot at any level. I'd hold off another year & see where Demko is at. Then make a decision. 

 

Goalies historically don't have huge value anyways. Schneider & Andersen got great returns but Markstrom is alot older than those guys. I wouldn't expect trading Markstrom to bring back a massive haul. And trading Demko while he's unproven certainly wouldn't. 

 

If Demko shows next year that he can be the starter then you can trade Markstrom & get something good. If not then its decision time, whether you go with proven Marky & get less back for Demko, or take a chance on the younger goalie. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said:

The problem with trading Markstrom is goalies are voodoo. I really like Demko alot but he's not ready to be a starter yet. He's no guarantee to even be a great starter. But throwing him to the wolves won't help his development. I like Dipietro alot too for that matter, but he's far from a guarantee also.

 

Its been a tough year for Demko, he hasn't played alot at any level. I'd hold off another year & see where Demko is at. Then make a decision. 

 

Goalies historically don't have huge value anyways. Schneider & Andersen got great returns but Markstrom is alot older than those guys. I wouldn't expect trading Markstrom to bring back a massive haul. And trading Demko while he's unproven certainly wouldn't. 

 

If Demko shows next year that he can be the starter then you can trade Markstrom & get something good. If not then its decision time, whether you go with proven Marky & get less back for Demko, or take a chance on the younger goalie. 

 

 

Think you are spot on...

Could end up regretting it severely if we let go of Marky... Throwing Demo before the wolves could ruin his development.

 

Also lets for a second suggest trading Marky and signing another vet to share with Demko... What if it doesn't work out? And the team is starting to leak goals like we did last year?

 

Are we then going to fire Benning or give him carte blanche because he got us a draft pick?

 

The ED is real....but so is the team results going forward.

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4 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

Every year we have fans who would sell the farm for another pick. :lol:

 

I'm as big of a fan of the draft as anyone, but we would be doing some serious back pedalling if we traded Marky or Demko. 

Seems like a lot of CDC'ers want to follow in Edmonton's footsteps by selling anything of value for a wanting, hoping and wishing, draft pick or a player that does not pan out.

 

I am not against the idea of trading either one of the goalies at some point but now is not the time for that; perhaps at next years TDL but that really depends on how well both Marky and Thatch play between now and then.

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1 hour ago, Sean Monahan said:

What happened to Tag Bertuzzi? There seemed to be a lot of buzz about him before. 

He had a pretty abysmal offensive season. He might go in round 6-7...his stock fell but he didn't play a full season.

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2 hours ago, spook007 said:

Think you are spot on...

Could end up regretting it severely if we let go of Marky... Throwing Demo before the wolves could ruin his development.

 

Also lets for a second suggest trading Marky and signing another vet to share with Demko... What if it doesn't work out? And the team is starting to leak goals like we did last year?

 

Are we then going to fire Benning or give him carte blanche because he got us a draft pick?

 

The ED is real....but so is the team results going forward.

Yup agree 100%. ED is definitely a concern. But we have some time, might aswell use it. 

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3 hours ago, spook007 said:

Throwing Demo before the wolves could ruin his development.

 

Are we then going to fire Benning or give him carte blanche because he got us a draft pick?

3 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said:

Seems like a lot of CDC'ers want to follow in Edmonton's footsteps by selling anything of value for a wanting, hoping and wishing, draft pick or a player that does not pan out.

3 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

Every year we have fans who would sell the farm for another pick. :lol:

FWIW, the original discussion was packaging a goalie for a young, 2nd pair, right D. Not a pick.

 

And why does everyone assume we wouldn't sign a capable backup for Marky or 1B for Demko?

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6 hours ago, kenhodgejr said:

I personally think Jacob Markstrom is one of the best goalies in the NHL. Playing behind one of the worst defensive groups in the NHL. 

 

So many goals were scored because Gudbranson, Pouliot, Del Zotto, Biega, was out of position. Edler and Tanev clearly held this defensive group together and with their absence being injured it clearly showed where the issue was. 

Demko has not played enough NHL games for us to know that he can take over as a #1 goalie or handle a full season as a starter.  How many games did Markstrom steel, how many shoot outs. He is way better than Luongo was when he was playing for us. Markstrom has size and uses it efficiently, he has fast reflexes and comes up with huge saves. He loves to battle and is a good leader in the locker room. Markstrom has earned the #1 goalie spot for this team. We will fight for the playoffs next season. Once our defensive group is improved we will be in a much better position. 

 

A lot of teams out there are jealous of our goaltending. Its one of the only things going right for this team. Leave it in place. We can always sign a free agent forward. 

LOL you're sold after like 5-6 months of play? You must be a sucker whenever a salesman approaches you.

 

Your post probably lacks any substance after you said Markstrom is way better than Luongo. Sorry to dissappoint, Luongo on his worst day will ALWAYS BE BETTER than Markstrom. Roberto can use an oven mitt as a catching glove with Stamkos firing one timers 10 feet away from him, and he'll still be better than Markstrom.

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3 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

The problem with trading Markstrom is goalies are voodoo. I really like Demko alot but he's not ready to be a starter yet. He's no guarantee to even be a great starter. But throwing him to the wolves won't help his development. I like Dipietro alot too for that matter, but he's far from a guarantee also.

 

Its been a tough year for Demko, he hasn't played alot at any level. I'd hold off another year & see where Demko is at. Then make a decision. 

 

Goalies historically don't have huge value anyways. Schneider & Andersen got great returns but Markstrom is alot older than those guys. I wouldn't expect trading Markstrom to bring back a massive haul. And trading Demko while he's unproven certainly wouldn't. 

 

If Demko shows next year that he can be the starter then you can trade Markstrom & get something good. If not then its decision time, whether you go with proven Marky & get less back for Demko, or take a chance on the younger goalie. 

 

 

Im not saying Demko should be the starter next season, but he needs to have a chance at least at a 60/40 split . Markstrom played well since December, I get that, but extending him this summer is a bad idea. Markstrom plays well next season, he'll be in line for a bigger contract, probably a million plus than what hes going to be getting if he extends in the summer, thats fine. I don't mind overpaying for 2 seasons of great goaltending, but 1? I don't think so. Its not so much the money but the term, what if Markstrom has a bad season next year? You're stuck with an another albatross contract. It is a much wiser move to see what Demko can do first before committing to anything for markstrom, if it costs a million more per season on his next contract, so be it. Remember, Demko was drafted by THIS management team, and they INHERITED Markstrom. I don't think a season of good play is going to sway Jim Benning to all of a sudden keep him, knowing the fact that the goalie they earmarked as the goalie of the future (Demko) is trending upwards. If anything, I think the fans are just starting to get impatient again and trying to build a winner immediately rather than sticking to the plan

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11 hours ago, Canuck Surfer said:

St Louis has Binnington.

 

Philly Carter Hart.

 

Two of Petey's three top rookie of the year candidates alternates. Along with Rasmus Dahlin. These guys are killing it. Where did you get your list?

 

Blackwood in Jersey has a profile like Demko. Not quite as well reviewed, but he appears to have almost stolen Jerseys net. Another rookie playing very well.

 

 

 

Both Ottawa and St. Louis probably want a veteran for their young players. In addition, both want to be competitive for next year and goaltending has been their weakness. 

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Whats your ideal draft for Canucks? Assuming no top 3 pick choose 3 players that we could be in position to draft in the first 3 rounds.

 

Round 1: Alex Turcotte, Victor Soderstrom, Peyton Krebs

Round 2: Nils Hoglander, Nolan Foote, Lassi Thomson

Round 3: Michal Teply, Martin Hugo Has, Shane Pinto

 

Assuming we pick around 9 my ideal draft would be Soderstrom (RD), Hoglander(LW) and Pinto (RW). Hugo Has in the 4th if he falls there.

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3 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Canucks should trade a goalie, unless it's DiPietro IMO. But now is not the right time.

 

2019/20 to 2022/23 - Markstrom & Demko

2023/24 to ? - Demko & ?

I wouldnt mind selecting a goalie in the 3rd or 4th round this year if there is a high value goalie on the board like Dustin Wolfe or Mads Soggard.

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26 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said:

Whats your ideal draft for Canucks? Assuming no top 3 pick choose 3 players that we could be in position to draft in the first 3 rounds.

 

Round 1: Alex Turcotte, Victor Soderstrom, Peyton Krebs

Round 2: Nils Hoglander, Nolan Foote, Lassi Thomson

Round 3: Michal Teply, Martin Hugo Has, Shane Pinto

 

Assuming we pick around 9 my ideal draft would be Soderstrom (RD), Hoglander(LW) and Pinto (RW). Hugo Has in the 4th if he falls there.

Pick turcotte or boldy in round one. Round two go with thomson or korczak. Round 3 go with tracey and august try to sign priskie from quinnipiac.

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18 minutes ago, Isam said:

Pick turcotte or boldy in round one. Round two go with thomson or korczak. Round 3 go with tracey and august try to sign priskie from quinnipiac.

Unless we strike gold, we will be 9th. 

 

Turcotte,Boldy,Soderstrom and Krebs, would be the players i target. 

 

Thomson, Puistola are my favorites in the second.

 

The draft is so unpredictable in the 3rd, who knows who will drop. If Honka or Hugo Has are there, that would be a great scenario.

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1 minute ago, KKnight said:

Unless we strike gold, we will be 9th. 

 

Turcotte,Boldy,Soderstrom and Krebs, would be the players i target. 

 

Thomson, Puistola are my favorites in the second.

 

The draft is so unpredictable in the 3rd, who knows who will drop. If Honka or Hugo Has are there, that would be a great scenario.

Rather go with a forward or soderstrom. I just dont think he is as dynamic enough as a top ten pick. I would rather wait out the year and try to draft barron next year.

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6 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said:

 

Yeah that's inarguable. I don't even know if Kootney won 15 games this year. Perhaps I was undercutting his skating ability, I guess I mean he doesn't have the Hughes/Zegras type speed but most these guys don't. 

 

The comparison's I've seen are Konecny & Point. Now Point played on a better team but had 30+ goals & 90+ points in his draft year. I don't think Krebs will be as good as Point is RN, but he could be better than Konecny. Although out of the 3rd he might be 3rd in terms of shot/goal scoring. 

 

Its just hard to evaluate him being on such a poor team. But I don't doubt he'll be atleast a solid 2nd line player. I've seen alot of people (like you) that think highly of his upside.

I don’t know how to compare his top speed to zegras and Hughes as they aren’t in the same league but I would put him in the same tier. His skating is one of his greatest strengths imo, his speed is very noticeable when you watch him play. It stands out and sticks with you.

 

haha are you referring to a comparison I made of a cross of point and konecny in an earlier post? Or did you think the same on your own? Yea it’s tough to project as Point has had a much more favourable development path, but that’s the potential / ceiling I see with Krebs with intangibles and similarities in style to Konecny. 

 

Aha yessss I’m so high on the kid think he’s a superstar just unable to fully showcase his abilities. It really is hard to assess him though ya.

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3 hours ago, R3aL said:

I don’t know how to compare his top speed to zegras and Hughes as they aren’t in the same league but I would put him in the same tier. His skating is one of his greatest strengths imo, his speed is very noticeable when you watch him play. It stands out and sticks with you.

 

haha are you referring to a comparison I made of a cross of point and konecny in an earlier post? Or did you think the same on your own? Yea it’s tough to project as Point has had a much more favourable development path, but that’s the potential / ceiling I see with Krebs with intangibles and similarities in style to Konecny. 

 

Aha yessss I’m so high on the kid think he’s a superstar just unable to fully showcase his abilities. It really is hard to assess him though ya.

The problem with Krebs is not the argument that "he should've had an additional xx number of points" if he were on a better team it's the fact that he is on a crap team and will be for the forseeable future unless another team trades for him. I'm not a huge fan of the WHL/OHL/QMJHL overall as a development league which I've made clear in some of my previous posts but the fact that he's on a losing team just makes it that much worse and is no good for his development. It's not where you are in your development in your draft year, it's what you will continue to do in your D+1 and D+2. I'm not saying that he won't develop next year, I just think being on a bad team will severely hamper his development.

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