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56 minutes ago, UticaHockey said:

I'd be fine with that. Dahlen looks like he hates being here anyway. Too good for the AHL attitude is what I see out of him and very part of the losing culture that has taken over this team.

I get that you hate watching the Comets lose, but...take a look at the Canuck roster. 6 regulars missing, SIX! This rebuild, or whatever the Canuck management has been trying to do since 2012, has taken time, but it's good to see some young kids on the farm, and in the NHL. To say that Dahlen is hating being in Utica is extreme to say the least. Just breathe man, do you think we're ecstatic after watching a seasoned pro take a stupid penalty with 3 minutes left in the game? He might not be on this roster if it weren't for injuries, and you'd have Biega down on the farm, as well as Leipsic, Motte, Pouliot, Gaunce, and Archibald.

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1 hour ago, UticaHockey said:

I'd be fine with that. Dahlen looks like he hates being here anyway. Too good for the AHL attitude is what I see out of him and very part of the losing culture that has taken over this team.

  • I am just seeing a kid who was a star last year and is finding his way. He is obviously not used to the physicality of the game at this level. It's a huge wakeup call...
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  • he will either deal with it and adjust, or head back to where he came from at the first opportunity. It does not help that the team is absolutely putrid right now, but blame that on management for signing 4th line plugs instead of the skilled players Dahlen needs to be successful.....
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  • Gadjovich is in the same boat, he's a big strong kid... take your damn dress off and start hitting people..... Joe Labate looked like an all star compared to this guy....
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1 hour ago, ohmy said:

Probably more likely that he hates losing. Dahlen stayed back in Timra to helps his team get promoted to the SHL when he could have gone himself since he was too good for that league. Im sure there is a lot of frustration on the Comets right now but I think your reading Dahlen wrong. 

Going back to when the Devils had their AHL team in Utica to the Comets today I've always been pretty good at picking out the players that hated being in the AHL and had an attitude because of it.  That's what Dahlen looks like to me.

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5 hours ago, UticaHockey said:

Meanwhile from the owner of the Syracuse Crunch 50 miles down the road. The team is winning, the kids are contributing and they have great veteran leadership (they always do).  And you know what? Both Syracuse and Tampa Bay have had their share of injuries too.

 

Better management = better results.

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Tampa Bay haven't had anywhere even remotely close to the injury issues Vancouver have and they were picking top of the draft while Vancouver were making the playoffs / legit SC contenders. I'm not saying TB haven't been well managed but they aren't in comparable situations imo.

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18 minutes ago, UticaHockey said:

Going back to when the Devils had their AHL team in Utica to the Comets today I've always been pretty good at picking out the players that hated being in the AHL and had an attitude because of it.  That's what Dahlen looks like to me.

And how did you come to that conclusion? Do you have quotes from said players dating back to the Devils organization? Or are you just assuming based on what you see or think? If its just your opinion then thats fair whether I agree or not but you cant be stating opinions as fact. 

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5 hours ago, vannuck59 said:

I would send Archie and Gaunce down and bring up Dahlen. Dahlen can rotate with Goldobin in and out for a few games Send Gadjovich and Palmu to the ECHL to get some playing time.

Bring up Dahlen? So much for playing well enough and actually earning your chance I guess? Because from what I've seen, read and heard, there are other players more deserving of a recall than what Dahlen is.....and just because he might be one of their better prospects, doesn't mean he's entitled to a shot without deserving one.

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4 minutes ago, Drop Em said:

Bring up Dahlen? So much for playing well enough and actually earning your chance I guess? Because from what I've seen, read and heard, there are other players more deserving of a recall than what Dahlen is.....and just because he might be one of their better prospects, doesn't mean he's entitled to a shot without deserving one.

Look Bringing up Dahlen does three things for him boosts his confidence and he and management can see where he's  at. This is one of Benning's pets so get it done. 

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22 minutes ago, vannuck59 said:

Look Bringing up Dahlen does three things for him boosts his confidence and he and management can see where he's  at. This is one of Benning's pets so get it done. 

Right. Because a guy who is having a hard time adjusting and isn't able or ready to be a consistent AHL player, is going to get his confidence boosted by playing in the NHL? That's logical? There's been MANY more guys have their confidence killed by playing in the NHL and being overwhelmed because they're not ready to play at that level, than there are guys who miraculously get a confidence boost by playing in a league that they're not ready for.

They already know where he's at and he needs to improve in every phase of the game.....and giving prospects a sense of entitlement and playing favorites isn't going to help them generate the winning environment they need to establish either.

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9 minutes ago, Drop Em said:

Right. Because a guy who is having a hard time adjusting and isn't able or ready to be a consistent AHL player, is going to get his confidence boosted by playing in the NHL? That's logical? There's been MANY more guys have their confidence killed by playing in the NHL and being overwhelmed because they're not ready to play at that level, than there are guys who miraculously get a confidence boost by playing in a league that they're not ready for.

They already know where he's at and he needs to improve in every phase of the game.....and giving prospects a sense of entitlement and playing favorites isn't going to help them generate the winning environment they need to establish either.

It is a very common CDC and Twitter theme though.

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2 hours ago, UticaHockey said:

Going back to when the Devils had their AHL team in Utica to the Comets today I've always been pretty good at picking out the players that hated being in the AHL and had an attitude because of it.  That's what Dahlen looks like to me.

that makes sense given he bolted the first time he was sent there. i am sure it burns his britches that his friend pettersson is thriving in the nhl.  but you would also assume the guy is getting excellent advice from his family on what the ahl is for and how best to get out of there.  from that i deduce that he either isn't listening or else is finding he is not ready.  either way suggests he has to stay there, and not be promoted until he gets into a groove.

 

 

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Dahlen's father was a #7 pick back in -85. He himself never played in the minors but he had a long career in the NHL, was always a hard worker and never struck me as entitled in any way. Jonathan really doesn't give that impression either from what I've seen on the ice and in interviews etc. previous seasons.

 

I haven't watched JD play in Utica, but if he doesn't get what it's all about that would surprise me. Gotta remember though that like a lot of the other players in Utica he's still a kid and probably quite sensitive to the atmosphere within and around the team. LIke I said I haven't watched Utica, but it appears as if there's a leadership void, and if so, I don't get that. Benning and crew seem so focused on leadership, playing the right way etc. so how could it not be just as important on the farm?

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5 minutes ago, J-P said:

Dahlen's father was a #7 pick back in -85. He himself never played in the minors but he had a long career in the NHL, was always a hard worker and never struck me as entitled in any way. Jonathan really doesn't give that impression either from what I've seen on the ice and in interviews etc. previous seasons.

 

I haven't watched JD play in Utica, but if he doesn't get what it's all about that would surprise me. Gotta remember though that like a lot of the other players in Utica he's still a kid and probably quite sensitive to the atmosphere within and around the team. LIke I said I haven't watched Utica, but it appears as if there's a leadership void, and if so, I don't get that. Benning and crew seem so focused on leadership, playing the right way etc. so how could it not be just as important on the farm?

Sad to say... two of the best leaders on this team over the last few years were Alex Biega and Darren Archibald and at the moment they are both up with Vancouver. Both play hard and are committed to doing the things off the ice to help them be as successful as their talents allow.

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6 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said:

Sad to say... two of the best leaders on this team over the last few years were Alex Biega and Darren Archibald and at the moment they are both up with Vancouver. Both play hard and are committed to doing the things off the ice to help them be as successful as their talents allow.

Exactly, That's why they should spend most of their time in Utica and not in the press box or as fringe players with the Canucks.

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37 minutes ago, J-P said:

Dahlen's father was a #7 pick back in -85. He himself never played in the minors but he had a long career in the NHL, was always a hard worker and never struck me as entitled in any way. Jonathan really doesn't give that impression either from what I've seen on the ice and in interviews etc. previous seasons.

 

I haven't watched JD play in Utica, but if he doesn't get what it's all about that would surprise me. Gotta remember though that like a lot of the other players in Utica he's still a kid and probably quite sensitive to the atmosphere within and around the team. LIke I said I haven't watched Utica, but it appears as if there's a leadership void, and if so, I don't get that. Benning and crew seem so focused on leadership, playing the right way etc. so how could it not be just as important on the farm?

I was just trying to say, that just because you're a top prospect within the organization, shouldn't entitle ANYONE to be brought up without earning it. It sends a bad message to the whole organization. Dahlen was just the name that was mentioned by another poster as to who he'd like to see brought up, and I disagreed because I think that's something that should be earned and Dahlen hasn't earned it. It could have been anyone and I'd still feel the same way. In saying that, I'm not sure you can compare father to son, especially when that son is a millennial. ;-)

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9 minutes ago, Drop Em said:

I was just trying to say, that just because you're a top prospect within the organization, shouldn't entitle ANYONE to be brought up without earning it. It sends a bad message to the whole organization. Dahlen was just the name that was mentioned by another poster as to who he'd like to see brought up, and I disagreed because I think that's something that should be earned and Dahlen hasn't earned it. It could have been anyone and I'd still feel the same way. In saying that, I'm not sure you can compare father to son, especially when that son is a millennial. ;-)

Ha ha all my kids are millennials ;)

 

I agree about earning a call-up. You win with the old Detroit model where call-ups were almost always ready (and more than that in many cases). From what I’ve read it seems like JD’s trending in the right direction the last few games so let’s hope that continues. 

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16 hours ago, UticaHockey said:

I'd be fine with that. Dahlen looks like he hates being here anyway. Too good for the AHL attitude is what I see out of him and very part of the losing culture that has taken over this team.

I think the losing (I don't know about the culture) may be more to do with the age of the players in general and the way Cull coaches the youngsters. I see nothing in Cull's record that should have warranted him even getting the job in the first place.

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2 hours ago, alfstonker said:

I think the losing (I don't know about the culture) may be more to do with the age of the players in general and the way Cull coaches the youngsters. I see nothing in Cull's record that should have warranted him even getting the job in the first place.

Lets not forget that Cull was offered the job after the Canucks were turned down by Rocky Thompson, Bob Woods and Norm Bazin. Coaching the Canucks AHL team wasn't on the top of the list of any experienced head coaches so they ended plucking an assistant coach from nearby Syracuse.

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