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7 hours ago, -AJ- said:

Like all players (I think) he would save $1.075M off his cap hit if we buried him in Abbotsford. I get the feeling Green will want to keep him in Vancouver though. Coaches love guys they can rely on for difficult minutes against offensive stars.

Going to have to disagree on this one.

 

Don't think any opposing offensive star is looking at 36 y/o Jay Beagle and thinking, "crap this might make things more difficult." 

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Why the hate for analytics? It's good to use a balance of eye test and analytics to analyze players.

 

Beagle's okay as a filler as we lack C depth but overall he's not a great 4C at this point of his career for a team looking to compete, and he's overpaid.

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6 hours ago, Grape said:

Going to have to disagree on this one.

 

Don't think any opposing offensive star is looking at 36 y/o Jay Beagle and thinking, "crap this might make things more difficult." 

Doubt opposing offensive stars will be facing aging 4th liners like Beagle (unless Willie D is the coach in his 1-2-3-4 vs line matching) too much in any event.

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6 minutes ago, MrCanuck94 said:

Why the hate for analytics? It's good to use a balance of eye test and analytics to analyze players.

 

Beagle's okay as a filler as we lack C depth but overall he's not a great 4C at this point of his career for a team looking to compete, and he's overpaid.

Which would still be fine if we didn't have that six million dollar 4th line winger Loui.

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2 hours ago, MrCanuck94 said:

Why the hate for analytics? It's good to use a balance of eye test and analytics to analyze players.

 

Beagle's okay as a filler as we lack C depth but overall he's not a great 4C at this point of his career for a team looking to compete, and he's overpaid.

He was nitpicking and using very selective stats to prove his point that Beagle only played against bums or dredge of the NHL. For example, Oldnews was using stats then he would criticize those stats and only his stats were relevant. 

He was then very insulting to all the other posters while stating that we were doing it to him.

We all agree that he is getting older and will need to be replaced. However, he is still effective and he is a good leader to have.

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2018- 2021 stats

 

 

Corsi All shots at the net (Includes missed shots, blocked shots and all shots on net)
   
CF% Corsi For/Against ratio (CF/(CF+CA))
CF%RC Corsi ratio relative to team mates for specific level of competition
   
CTOI% Competition TOI percentage (percentage of player's total TOI spent vs specific compeition level)
Dangerous Fenwick Weighted shot metric using shot distance location and type of shot to give each shot a "danger" value.
   
DFF% Dangerous Fenwick For/Against ratio (DFF/(DFF+DFA))
DFF%RC Dangerous Fenwick ratio relative to team mates for specific level of competition
   
EVTOI Even Strength Time On Ice
Fenwick All shots at the net (Includes missed shots, shots on net) but excluding blocked shots

 

 

you will notice is our worst performing centre by a large margin. and he does not specialize in playing against top compettion thats horvat.

Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Bo Horvat All 3,257.00 100.00 49.11 1.88 47.64 2.13 46.40 7.82 91.53 994
Bo Horvat Elite 1,446.77 44.42 46.16 1.44 44.67 1.91 47.73 6.00 94.24 1002
Bo Horvat Middle 1,041.12 31.97 49.71 2.90 48.80 2.89 48.48 9.06 91.19 1002
Bo Horvat Gritensity 769.12 23.61 53.64 3.66 51.38 3.56 42.86 9.31 86.42 957
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Elias Pettersson All 2,401.20 100.00 51.99 4.88 50.55 5.01 57.09 11.60 90.86 1025
Elias Pettersson Elite 797.28 33.20 50.84 6.06 50.00 7.26 64.52 10.31 94.39 1047
Elias Pettersson Middle 857.23 35.70 50.28 2.77 49.25 2.79 57.29 12.64 90.35 1030
Elias Pettersson Gritensity 746.68 31.10 55.24 5.90 52.79 4.96 51.69 11.70 87.46 992
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
J.T. Miller All 1,920.15 100.00 51.49 5.55 49.41 4.36 55.78 11.33 90.84 1022
J.T. Miller Elite 760.42 39.60 47.78 3.82 45.33 1.73 54.72 8.31 93.92 1022
J.T. Miller Middle 615.48 32.05 53.11 8.71 52.92 8.88 53.16 12.77 87.71 1005
J.T. Miller Gritensity 544.25 28.34 54.72 5.37 51.26 3.64 59.70 13.25 89.81 1031
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Jay Beagle All 1,502.77 100.00 40.63 -9.30 41.53 -6.70 37.11 5.84 92.62 985
Jay Beagle Elite 485.83 32.33 38.11 -8.97 37.98 -7.38 33.33 4.62 93.50 981
Jay Beagle Middle 516.10 34.34 41.56 -8.60 43.71 -6.18 40.00 6.51 92.34 988
Jay Beagle Gritensity 500.83 33.33 42.10 -11.34 42.61 -7.41 37.14 6.31 92.03 983
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Brandon Sutter All 1,452.07 100.00 43.68 -5.47 41.77 -5.96 41.13 7.69 91.14 988
Brandon Sutter Elite 463.08 31.89 42.72 -3.02 39.33 -5.48 34.38 4.87 92.78 977
Brandon Sutter Middle 497.65 34.27 40.84 -8.86 41.75 -8.46 41.03 8.12 92.07 1002
Brandon Sutter Gritensity 491.33 33.84 47.48 -5.16 44.49 -4.31 45.28 10.00 88.07 981

 

DFF% Dangerous Fenwick For%  compared to competition. shots are assigned a danger value

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GF% goal for% compared to competition

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Corsi% all shots on net compared to competition including missed shots + blocked shots

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2020/2021 stats

 

 

Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Bo Horvat All 804.80 100.00 47.70 2.10 45.10 1.50 47.30 8.25 91.31 996.00
Bo Horvat Elite 420.08 52.20 46.50 3.60 42.80 2.80 45.20 6.83 92.61 994.00
Bo Horvat Middle 179.37 22.29 46.50 2.30 48.50 4.70 58.80 10.42 93.33 1,038.00
Bo Horvat Gritensity 205.35 25.52 51.40 1.80 46.70 -1.70 42.30 8.94 86.84 958.00
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
J.T. Miller All 748.35 100.00 45.80 0.00 43.60 -0.40 44.40 11.04 88.86 999.00
J.T. Miller Elite 389.37 52.03 44.30 0.40 41.00 0.30 40.00 6.49 92.57 991.00
J.T. Miller Middle 172.52 23.05 47.80 4.70 50.00 6.90 47.80 13.41 87.50 1,009.00
J.T. Miller Gritensity 186.47 24.92 47.00 -3.00 43.50 -5.40 45.50 16.67 83.02 997.00
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Brandon Sutter All 498.18 100.00 44.30 -2.70 41.90 -2.30 37.50 6.05 91.20 972.00
Brandon Sutter Elite 165.37 33.19 45.90 1.10 40.60 -0.70 33.30 4.30 92.38 967.00
Brandon Sutter Middle 150.50 30.21 37.80 -10.10 37.60 -10.50 30.80 6.78 90.53 973.00
Brandon Sutter Gritensity 182.32 36.60 47.90 -1.80 46.50 0.70 46.70 7.29 90.48 978.00
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Elias Pettersson All 327.53 100.00 49.70 1.30 48.70 2.90 52.40 13.58 88.17 1,017.00
Elias Pettersson Elite 177.82 54.29 47.50 -1.80 48.90 5.70 66.70 11.90 93.75 1,057.00
Elias Pettersson Middle 80.05 24.44 52.00 5.00 50.50 1.90 50.00 11.90 90.20 1,021.00
Elias Pettersson Gritensity 69.67 21.27 52.40 3.90 45.50 -1.90 41.20 19.44 73.68 931.00
Name WMTier EVTOI CTOI% CF% CF%RC DFF% DFF%RC GF% ONSH% ONSV% PDO
Jay Beagle All 271.82 100.00 46.90 -1.00 42.00 -4.60 42.10 5.93 92.03 980.00
Jay Beagle Elite 83.77 30.82 45.40 -1.40 30.30 -15.60 50.00 6.82 94.23 1,010.00
Jay Beagle Middle 85.15 31.33 42.10 -5.50 47.40 -0.70 20.00 2.94 88.89 918.00
Jay Beagle Gritensity 102.90 37.86 51.90 1.30 49.30 2.80 50.00 7.02 92.00 990.00

 

cf%

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DFF%

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GF%

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

@Petey_BOI

So Beagle is our best (Under 4 million) right shot player!  Wow!  I knew he was good, but didn’t realize he was so valuable to the club.  Thanks for all the work posting stats pointing that out! 

and he is 11th worst in the league!

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2 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

and he is 11th worst in the league!

you're like a beagle on a hamburger with these stats ::D

 

but you didn't answer my question, do you think Beagle was a net contributor on the 2017/18 cup team? 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

you're like a beagle on a hamburger with these stats ::D

 

but you didn't answer my question, do you think Beagle was a net contributor on the 2017/18 cup team? 

i didnt watch the games

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Just now, Petey_BOI said:

i didnt watch the games

don't stop being you Boi. 

 

But if thats true, do yourself a favour and re-watch the 17/18 Washington games and report back. 

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9 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

don't stop being you Boi. 

 

But if thats true, do yourself a favour and re-watch the 17/18 Washington games and report back. 

analyzing the stats from his playoffs in 2017/2018 i would say yes.

 

his 13 games in 2016/2017 weren't so hot though

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Just now, Petey_BOI said:

analyzing the stats from his playoffs in 2017/2018 i would say yes.

 

his 13 games in 2016/2017 weren't so hot though

but what about his 17/18 regular season stats? they aren't appreciably different from any of his other years. A few more pucks went that usual for him but thats about it. 

 

I really do think you should watch the WSH games if you can find them on youtube, its a good example of how sometimes the stats alone can be a big disconnect from a players actual impact. 

 

Jay is good people, you should at least watch the games before going this heavy on him, just my 2 cents. 

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Beagle's a good guy. 

 

Just think he's too slow to keep pace in the league now...

 

I mean, he's faster than Sutter, maybe

 

But that's like saying a turtle is faster than a slug....

 

It ain't saying much. lol 

 

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