Ilunga Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 7:30 AM, Boudrias said: Well good luck to them on that. IMHO the problem is not just Putin. He is simply the head of a very corrupt communist system that has stayed in power for +100 years by exploiting their own countrymen. The top down exploitation has been ingrained into the Russian persona. I honestly think there are lots of Putins scheming their ascendency to power. Real change likely won't happen without a civil war and a period of anarchy. The scary part is who will control the Russian nukes? You're kidding right ? Russia has not been a communist society for over 30 years. It was a very flawed democracy under Yeltsin, though compared to the current democratic system in the US very similar. Under Putin it has been and is now a Kleptocracy. What do you call the very corrupt American capitalists that have exploited Americans, a system where 68 percent of the wealth is held by the top 10 percent of earners and 3.2 percent of the wealth is held by the bottom 50 percent. What do you call that system ? A very corrupt capitalist system ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: Lets go skiing they said....It'll be fun, they said.... Its amazing these don't have emergency power shutoff on them to stop issues like this. Not the first time I have seen videos of these malfunctioning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Ilunga said: You're kidding right ? Russia has not been a communist society for over 30 years. It was a very flawed democracy under Yeltsin, though compared to the current democratic system in the US very similar. Under Putin it has been and is now a Kleptocracy. What do you call the very corrupt American capitalists that have exploited Americans, a system where 68 percent of the wealth is held by the top 10 percent of earners and 3.2 percent of the wealth is held by the bottom 50 percent. What do you call that system ? A very corrupt capitalist system ? Being an apologist for communist like Putin must have perks. If you can't defend Putin up front then simply rebrand him into something else. Yes, the evil capitalist who have exploited Americans for centuries. The same American capitalist society that has welcomed millions of immigrants each year for hundred's of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, Ilunga said: You're kidding right ? Russia has not been a communist society for over 30 years. It was a very flawed democracy under Yeltsin, though compared to the current democratic system in the US very similar. Under Putin it has been and is now a Kleptocracy. What do you call the very corrupt American capitalists that have exploited Americans, a system where 68 percent of the wealth is held by the top 10 percent of earners and 3.2 percent of the wealth is held by the bottom 50 percent. What do you call that system ? A very corrupt capitalist system ? I don’t think Russia under Yeltsin was flawed democracy. Yeltsin sent special forces and tank division to storm their White House in 1993. When parliament voted to impeach Yeltsin and thousands of Russians protested against his economic reforms His response was full on military assault that according to NGO sources killed as many as 2000 people. Edited November 25, 2022 by CBH1926 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 8 hours ago, Boudrias said: Being an apologist for communist like Putin must have perks. If you can't defend Putin up front then simply rebrand him into something else. Yes, the evil capitalist who have exploited Americans for centuries. The same American capitalist society that has welcomed millions of immigrants each year for hundred's of years. Are you suggesting I am defending Putin ? Well then just so we are clear he is a despotic leader who has ripped off his people and started an unjust war that has caused harm to millions. The world would be a better place with our him. However that does not mean Russia is a communist society, it is not. It is a Kleptocracy. https://www.journalofdemocracy.org/articles/the-rise-of-kleptocracy-power-and-plunder-in-putins-russia/ As I have suggested to you before read the communist manifesto and you will realise that there has never been a truly communist society, one that lived up to Marx's ideals, on this planet. And as for those American immigrants, they are the people who massacred millions of the original inhabitants of that land. You seem to be under the illusion that getting screwed in Russia is a lot different to getting screwed in America. The end result is much the same. Especially if you are black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: I don’t think Russia under Yeltsin was flawed democracy. Yeltsin sent special forces and tank division to storm their White House in 1993. When parliament voted to impeach Yeltsin and thousands of Russians protested against his economic reforms His response was full on military assault that according to NGO sources killed as many as 2000 people. Yeltsin was flawed like his version of democracy, however as most pundits agree it was a form of democracy, especially when you compare to what preceded it. https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-yeltsin-the-flawed-hero-who-gave-democracy-to-russia/ As for sending in the troops, remember the Kent State Massacre ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 26 minutes ago, Ilunga said: Yeltsin was flawed like his version of democracy, however as most pundits agree it was a form of democracy, especially when you compare to what preceded it. https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-yeltsin-the-flawed-hero-who-gave-democracy-to-russia/ As for sending in the troops, remember the Kent State Massacre ? Probably the closest Russia has ever been to a democracy in 1000 years. Kent state was a terrible crime but tanks firing into a building full of people and killing hundreds (according Yeltsin sources) was a war crime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, CBH1926 said: Probably the closest Russia has ever been to a democracy in 1000 years. Kent state was a terrible crime but tanks firing into a building full of people and killing hundreds (according Yeltsin sources) was a war crime. I agree. It was the closest thing they have ever had. However our reds under the bed friend needs to be educated on what communism actually is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Chess- in the headlines again. https://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/cricket/indian-chess-gm-narayanan-forced-to-stand-barefoot-for-metal-detector-check-during-match-in-germany/ar-AA14Efz6?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=2b61cae928334e18b2f051059a21bd79 "Indian Grandmaster S L Narayanan felt 'humiliated' as he was left to stand barefoot inside the playing hall for a metal detector check during a Bundesliga chess league match in Germany on Monday. As there was a beeping sound during the metal detector check, Narayanan was made to remove his shoes and subsequently his socks too. It was later found that the beep sound emanated from the carpet on the floor. This kind of checks happened earlier too, but they have become more rigid ever since world champion Magnus Carlsen accused American GM Hans Niemann of cheating earlier this year. ...I felt humiliated. And if I prefer to remain silent about it, I'll not be doing justice to myself and other sportspersons who go through similar experiences," Narayanan wrote in a lengthy post on his Twitter handle. The 24-year-old Indian said he was one of the five players chosen by the arbiter for a random check before his first round match on Monday. "During the check with a metal detector, there was a beep sound. So, I was told to remove my shoes and they checked again. Beep. Now, I was told to remove my socks. The arbiter then ran the metal detector on my naked foot and we heard the beep again," he wrote. "At this point, I was told to move aside and the next player was asked to step forward. It is hard to explain how bad it felt as if I was guilty of something I had no clue about whatsoever. "All this happened in the middle of the playing hall. I held a sock and stood with a bare left foot. Imagine how I might have felt. The metal detector beeped again when the other player's foot was scanned and that prompted the arbiter to check the floor. "It was the carpeted floor that was triggering the beep and not any human," Narayanan wrote. "The arbiter apologised to me. But I must say how embarrassing it was. And mind you, this happened just minutes before my round." Narayanan went on to lose his game against Czech Republic GM David Navara. This was his first loss of the season for his team SV Deggendorf. He said the situation could have been handled better. "The fact that the arbiter apologised is appreciated. But this whole situation could have been handled better. Yes, we need such vigilant arbiters to prevent cheating in chess but at the same time they should act in some professional way. "Arbiters should check the floors first before asking weird question like if they had any surgery or not, before instructing them to remove the shoes and socks." "Perhaps, FIDE and tournament organisers will bring about a change and save players from going through such humiliation." Replying to Narayanan, FIDE CEO Emil Sutovsky wrote: "Sorry for such an unpleasant experience. However as it was not a @FIDE_chess event, I can only readdress the question to the organizers of the particular Bundesliga leg - because FIDE Protocol implies the clothes could be requested to be taken off in the dedicated separate area." Narayanan had recently won the individual bronze medal for India on the third board at the World Team Chess Championship 2022 in Jerusalem. It may be recalled that India's woman Grandmaster Priyanka Nutakki was expelled from the World Junior Chess Championship in Italy recently for having a pair of ear buds inside her jacket pocket during a routine check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted December 6, 2022 Share Posted December 6, 2022 (edited) One of the dumber things you will ever hear of ............... Indonesia passes criminal code banning sex outside marriage Indonesia's parliament has approved a new criminal code that bans anyone in the country from having extramarital sex and restricts political freedoms. Sex outside marriage will carry a jail term of up to a year under the new laws, which take effect in three years. The raft of changes come after a rise in religious conservatism in the Muslim-majority country. Critics see the laws as a "disaster" for human rights, and a potential blow to tourism and investment. Several groups of mainly young people protested against the legislation outside parliament in Jakarta this week. It is expected the new laws will be challenged in court. They apply equally to locals and to foreigners living in Indonesia, or visiting holiday destinations such as Bali. Under the laws, unmarried couples caught having sex can be jailed for up to a year. They are also banned from living together - an act for which people could be jailed for up to six months. Adultery will also be an offence for which people can be jailed. Sex before marriage was already banned prior to the approval of this new criminal code, but the law was often not enforced. The old law defined adultery as sex between a married man and someone who was not his wife, while the new law bans all sex outside of marriage, including between unmarried couples. The sentencing for those caught has also been increased from nine months to a year. Supporters of the new legislation say changes were made to accommodate concerns of critics - for prosecutions to start a complaint must be filed by the children, parents or spouse of the accused couple. Ajeng, a 28-year-old Muslim woman living in the West Java city of Depok, said she was now at risk for living with her partner for the past five years. "With the new law, both of us can go to jail if one of the family decides to make a police report," she told the BBC. "What if there's one family member who has a problem with me and decides to send me to jail? "I think living together or having sex outside of marriage is not a crime. In my religion, it's considered a sin. But I don't think the criminal code should be based on a certain religion." She said she had joined the nationwide protests in 2019 when the law had first been broached. She took the sign: "For the right to cuddle, I took to the streets." However on Tuesday, parliament unanimously approved the new code of over 600 articles. Many businesses had also been opposed to the legislation, saying it discouraged visitors and investment. But lawmakers have celebrated overhauling laws dating back to Dutch colonial rule. "It is time for us to make a historical decision on the penal code amendment and to leave the colonial criminal code we inherited behind," law minister Yasonna Laoly told parliament. The new legislation contains scores of new clauses criminalizing immorality and blasphemy and restricting political and religious expression. Human Rights Watch's Asia Director Elaine Pearson told the BBC it was a "huge setback for a country that has tried to portray itself as a modern Muslim democracy". The group's Jakarta-based researcher, Andreas Harsano, said there were millions of couples in Indonesia without marriage certificates "especially among Indigenous peoples or Muslims in rural areas" who had married in specific religious ceremonies. "These people will be theoretically breaking the law as living together could be punished up to six months in prison," he told the BBC. He added that research from Gulf states, where there are similar laws governing sex and relationships, showed women were punished and targeted by such morality laws more than men. There are now also six blasphemy laws in the code, including apostasy - renouncing a religion. For the first time since its independence, Indonesia will make it illegal to persuade someone to be a non-believer. New defamation articles also make it illegal for people to insult the president or criticise state ideology. However legislators said they had added defences for free speech and protests made in the "public interest". more in the link https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-63869078 ******************** Flights to Bali soon to be 50% off. Edited December 6, 2022 by nuckin_futz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted December 8, 2022 Share Posted December 8, 2022 Germany arrests dozens as QAnon-inspired "Reichsbürger" group accused of plotting to overthrow government https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-terror-plot-prince-heinrich-reichsburger-alleged-qanon-inspired-coup/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 Alf's status update says that Jimmy got banned. Is this true? What for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Alf's status update says that Jimmy got banned. Is this true? What for? I don't know any of this case; however I'll guess it has to do with a bit of a 'purge' that is happening around here. Though it is possible JM is just taking a break, as he did about a year ago. However this guy: A.V. has been axed. Which is remarkable, as none of the folk that would follow him around, and call him names, seem to have been exiled. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 15, 2022 Author Share Posted December 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gurn said: I don't know any of this case; however I'll guess it has to do with a bit of a 'purge' that is happening around here. Though it is possible JM is just taking a break, as he did about a year ago. However this guy: A.V. has been axed. Which is remarkable, as none of the folk that would follow him around, and call him names, seem to have been exiled. Can't say I know who that is....although I might recognize him if I came across some of his posts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Can't say I know who that is....although I might recognize him if I came across some of his posts.... If I said " Hope this helps"; would it help? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Less room for dissent around here. Lot more toe the line. I'm at the point of considering finding a different hockey forum, and also finding another 'political' forum, just in case. As a back up, at the very least. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Gurn said: I don't know any of this case; however I'll guess it has to do with a bit of a 'purge' that is happening around here. Though it is possible JM is just taking a break, as he did about a year ago. However this guy: A.V. has been axed. Which is remarkable, as none of the folk that would follow him around, and call him names, seem to have been exiled. Vintage said in that status update that JM has not been banned. Just spitballing but that doesn’t mean he might not have gotten pi$$ed over warnings or something. Can’t understand why A.V. was banned. I seldom agreed with his takes but he is an intelligent guy with a different pov which is what discussion is supposed to be about. Edited December 15, 2022 by 4petesake 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Alf's status update says that Jimmy got banned. Is this true? What for? Vintage cleared it up. JM is not banned. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: My guess is the pom-pom shakers got tired of their cheerleading chants being drowned out by the sound of him revving his engine through his straight-pipe exhaust, and in their frustration decided to find a way to kick him out (probably by saying he was trolling them). At least that's my speculation. Who owns our board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 I remember @JM_ getting into a couple grumpy convos a few weeks back. I hope he is just taking a break. He is a great dude with wisdom to share. I wish I knew why this forum has become so wierd. I remember when it was fab. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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