Popular Post RUPERTKBD Posted June 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: It's tough because the people of today are not the people of yesterday or tomorrow for that matter. They understandably want someone to blame but there's nobody to truly pin this on since these evil people are long-dead by now. As I said before sometimes I wish we had time travelling machines. Nevertheless the church should acknowledge that in it's past certain individuals that practice and share their same religious beliefs did commit heinous acts. Every group/race/religion has had certain contingents in it's past commit atrocities. No one are saints but we acknowledge and learn from our past so that we don't repeat those same mistakes and can help future generations be better. I don't want to speak for anyone, but I don't think they're worried so much about assigning blame as they are wanting the Catholic Church (and possibly the RCMP) to acknowledge their roles in this shameful chapter of Canadian history and maybe even apologize, at the very least. One might even make the argument that the Residential School System and the accompanying stifling of First Nations cultures helped perpetuate the cycle of poverty that has too often been a hallmark of the lives of so many indigenous people. 1 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said: To be clear, I don't want to accuse anyone of anything, but I think it would be naive to assume that some First Nations folks aren't taking matters into their own hands.... https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/two-more-catholic-churches-burn-down-on-indigenous-land-in-southern-bc/ar-AALtKIL?li=AAggNb9 Is it wrong if I hope they don't catch the culprits? I don't want to condone anything violent. But I can't say I'm surprised or have any sympathy either, with some of the idiotic statements coming from members of the church. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Don't burn down assets that should be sold as reparations. Also as some point a person could be in the church that gets lit up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 20 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: I don't want to speak for anyone, but I don't think they're worried so much about assigning blame as they are wanting the Catholic Church (and possibly the RCMP) to acknowledge their roles in this shameful chapter of Canadian history and maybe even apologize, at the very least. One might even make the argument that the Residential School System and the accompanying stifling of First Nations cultures helped perpetuate the cycle of poverty that has too often been a hallmark of the lives of so many indigenous people. That means the people of today would be apologizing for the people of yesterday. Not saying the church should or shouldn't apologize, just that I don't see the point. I guess what I am trying to say is that it is like a parent apologizing for their kid misbehaving at school but going even further than that since we're looking at historical. In the end an apology holds less significance than it should. At least that's how I view it. Acknowledgement and recognition is way more significant IMO. Letting people know you condemn the actions that, in history, certain individuals took that are a part of your group/religion/organization and that they don't speak for your entirety today. That they've grown and are better than they were before and let it serve as an example to not make the same sort of mistakes for future generations. It would mean so much more if the people who did commit these crimes could face the consequences of their actions but we're long past that making it a tough situation. Hence why I wish time-travel was a thing. I'd bring a whole lot of heat and hand out my own sense of justice towards these horrendous individuals. This sort of stuff just makes me wonder and I find myself asking questions in regards to similar situations and how to properly handle them. What's the way to go about it. How responsible are these people today for actions of the people of yesterday. How should the people of today act or feel on both sides. Every situation is different too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: That means the people of today would be apologizing for the people of yesterday. Not saying the church should or shouldn't apologize, just that I don't see the point. I guess what I am trying to say is that it is like a parent apologizing for their kid misbehaving at school but going even further than that since we're looking at historical. In the end an apology holds less significance than it should. At least that's how I view it. Acknowledgement and recognition is way more significant IMO. Letting people know you condemn the actions that, in history, certain individuals took that are a part of your group/religion/organization and that they don't speak for your entirety today. That they've grown and are better than they were before and let it serve as an example to not make the same sort of mistakes for future generations. It would mean so much more if the people who did commit these crimes could face the consequences of their actions but we're long past that making it a tough situation. Hence why I wish time-travel was a thing. I'd bring a whole lot of heat and hand out my own sense of justice towards these horrendous individuals. This sort of stuff just makes me wonder and I find myself asking questions in regards to similar situations and how to properly handle them. What's the way to go about it. How responsible are these people today for actions of the people of yesterday. How should the people of today act or feel on both sides. Every situation is different too. Wadr, I think you should look at the Catholic Church and the RCMP as institutions, rather than "people".... When you look at it through that lens, it makes sense for Germany to acknowledge the Holocaust, The US and Canada to acknowledge their past mistreatment of Japanese citizens, etc., etc.... Specifically, I don't think it's so far out of line to hold an institution accountable for 100 year old crimes, when the central tenet of said institution is a 2000 year old book.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4petesake Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said: I don't want to speak for anyone, but I don't think they're worried so much about assigning blame as they are wanting the Catholic Church (and possibly the RCMP) to acknowledge their roles in this shameful chapter of Canadian history and maybe even apologize, at the very least. One might even make the argument that the Residential School System and the accompanying stifling of First Nations cultures helped perpetuate the cycle of poverty that has too often been a hallmark of the lives of so many indigenous people. Healing can’t begin until these two institutions acknowledge their roles in the residential school system and the harm caused by them to the First Nations people. The RCMP to this day teaches its cadets in Regina a romanticized version of how they brought law and order and helped tame the Wild West. Young recruits are sent off to remote ares across Canada and have no concept of how or why they are viewed with distrust and contempt when they get there. The church’s record on apologizing or acknowledging its part in causing harm to victims of any kind is disgusting and ought to make even their most devoted congregants have doubts about their beliefs. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 49 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: That means the people of today would be apologizing for the people of yesterday. Not saying the church should or shouldn't apologize, just that I don't see the point. I guess what I am trying to say is that it is like a parent apologizing for their kid misbehaving at school but going even further than that since we're looking at historical. In the end an apology holds less significance than it should. At least that's how I view it. Acknowledgement and recognition is way more significant IMO. Letting people know you condemn the actions that, in history, certain individuals took that are a part of your group/religion/organization and that they don't speak for your entirety today. That they've grown and are better than they were before and let it serve as an example to not make the same sort of mistakes for future generations. It would mean so much more if the people who did commit these crimes could face the consequences of their actions but we're long past that making it a tough situation. Hence why I wish time-travel was a thing. I'd bring a whole lot of heat and hand out my own sense of justice towards these horrendous individuals. This sort of stuff just makes me wonder and I find myself asking questions in regards to similar situations and how to properly handle them. What's the way to go about it. How responsible are these people today for actions of the people of yesterday. How should the people of today act or feel on both sides. Every situation is different too. I think an apology from the Church would go a long way toward setting their record straight on their position on the matter. If the Pope would come out and do it, the words of the Church’s members like that moron pastor in Ontario wouldn’t mean squat. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 14 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Wadr, I think you should look at the Catholic Church and the RCMP as institutions, rather than "people".... When you look at it through that lens, it makes sense for Germany to acknowledge the Holocaust, The US and Canada to acknowledge their past mistreatment of Japanese citizens, etc., etc.... Specifically, I don't think it's so far out of line to hold an institution accountable for 100 year old crimes, when the central tenet of said institution is a 2000 year old book.... I know what they're capable of. I posted a story of how my mother and her step-father(native) and how the catholic church affected them both in the Jake Virtanen sexual-assault thread. It falls in line with this. But I have never been one for generalizing in that sense or pinning the actions of the few onto the many. They're groups/institutions but the people within them are not those people that committed those crimes then. Times have changed since, these groups/institutions/etc have changed since then(some more than others) with society as a whole. Almost every group/race/country/religion has done some stuff in the past. I think every one of them should acknowledge every event in the past regardless. These sort of mistakes made are teaching moments that should never be forgotten so they we don't repeat these sort of events. We live and learn. The perspective we give to future generations will serve to create a better tomorrow. If the Church/RCMP/etc are not acknowledging the fact that in the past these people who were a part of us were responsible for this and now we condemn these people and actions today then they deserve to be called out. They aren't expressing that they've learned from the mistakes the people of yesterday that were a part of them made in the past. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said: I think an apology from the Church would go a long way toward setting their record straight on their position on the matter. If the Pope would come out and do it, the words of the Church’s members like that moron pastor in Ontario wouldn’t mean squat. I think that's more of an acknowledgement/recognition of what happened more than an apology. An apology would mean taking responsibility which would mean taking responsibility for what people did then. I don't see the significance in that for the victims. The people apologizing aren't the ones who committed these crimes. Like I said if they're not acknowledging and recognizing what these individuals did that were a part of their group/institution then they deserve to be called out. I am also not familiar with what the pastor in Ontario said but it sounds like it is gonna piss me off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: also not familiar with what the pastor in Ontario said but it sounds like it is gonna piss me off. Paraphrasing here, but something along the lines of “people don’t acknowledge the good that the residential schools did for the indigenous population”. Also referred to them as allegations being propagated by the media (again paraphrasing). I think the majority of Catholics would condemn statements like his but I still think there needs to be something said by the Vatican re: the matter. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 Just now, Sean Monahan said: Paraphrasing here, but something along the lines of “people don’t acknowledge the good that the residential schools did for the indigenous population”. Also referred to them as allegations being propagated by the media (again paraphrasing). I think the majority of Catholics would condemn statements like his but I still think there needs to be something said by the Vatican re: the matter. Deflection at it's finest. Ridiculous and inconsiderate. No wonder why we're seeing churches burn if $&!# like that is being said. What a dumb thing to say. Good doesn't take away from the bad and vise-versa. You take the good, the bad and the ugly. View them as separate things and not a means of deflection. The church/pope should condemn this sort of line of thinking IMO. It makes them look horrendously bad. It would set a good example if the pope condemn this and it is what a good leader would do in this sort of situation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RUPERTKBD Posted June 26, 2021 Author Popular Post Share Posted June 26, 2021 30 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: I know what they're capable of. I posted a story of how my mother and her step-father(native) and how the catholic church affected them both in the Jake Virtanen sexual-assault thread. It falls in line with this. But I have never been one for generalizing in that sense or pinning the actions of the few onto the many. They're groups/institutions but the people within them are not those people that committed those crimes then. Times have changed since, these groups/institutions/etc have changed since then(some more than others) with society as a whole. Almost every group/race/country/religion has done some stuff in the past. I think every one of them should acknowledge every event in the past regardless. These sort of mistakes made are teaching moments that should never be forgotten so they we don't repeat these sort of events. We live and learn. The perspective we give to future generations will serve to create a better tomorrow. If the Church/RCMP/etc are not acknowledging the fact that in the past these people who were a part of us were responsible for this and now we condemn these people and actions today then they deserve to be called out. They aren't expressing that they've learned from the mistakes the people of yesterday that were a part of them made in the past. Again, with respect, I think you're dramatically understating the situation. When you say "has done some stuff", bear in mind that what you're referring to amounts to kidnapping thousands of children, submitting them to physical and psychological abuse for years and presiding over a number of deaths that shows a criminal level of neglect.... Nobody is asking for the arrest of current Archbishops, or the abolition of the Catholic church. What they would like to see is an acknowledgement of the mistakes that were made by the institutions that were responsible for those mistakes. They would also like to see the church apologize... Instead, we attempts to downplay the situation. We even see some lament the fact that they get no recognition for the "good" that was done. This first step in fixing a problem is admitting that one exists in the first place. I see little evidence to suggest that the Catholic Church has done so.... 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 26, 2021 Author Share Posted June 26, 2021 1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: Just putting it out there (ie. not saying that what I'm about to suggest is fact), but has anyone considered this might be a "false-flag" situation, where "records" could be conveniently burned, and therefore forever lost and "no longer available"? Mind you, razing someone's place of worship is not the act of a civilized society - but then again, Christians have been doing that to others they've encountered in the course of their millenia of history, in the name of salvaging souls and protecting their faith. 'Struth....you might even say that the perpetrators are on a bit of a "Crusade"..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 26, 2021 Share Posted June 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Again, with respect, I think you're dramatically understating the situation. When you say "has done some stuff", bear in mind that what you're referring to amounts to kidnapping thousands of children, submitting them to physical and psychological abuse for years and presiding over a number of deaths that shows a criminal level of neglect.... Nobody is asking for the arrest of current Archbishops, or the abolition of the Catholic church. What they would like to see is an acknowledgement of the mistakes that were made by the institutions that were responsible for those mistakes. They would also like to see the church apologize... Instead, we attempts to downplay the situation. We even see some lament the fact that they get no recognition for the "good" that was done. This first step in fixing a problem is admitting that one exists in the first place. I see little evidence to suggest that the Catholic Church has done so.... I am not trying to. In stating some stuff I didn't mean to undermine anything any group has done or faced. I stated experiences I have heard from people close to me and stated a story that falls in line with those sort of descriptions of what those children went through that you made. If you go to that thread and read what I said you wouldn't think I would purposely try to understate anything, it is fairly graphic. Right after I said "some stuff" that I stated this 50 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Almost every group/race/country/religion has done some stuff in the past. I think every one of them should acknowledge every event in the past regardless. These sort of mistakes made are teaching moments that should never be forgotten so they we don't repeat these sort of events. We live and learn. The perspective we give to future generations will serve to create a better tomorrow. I am just going more in-depth than just saying institutions/groups and what not then go more into the specifics like the peoples of these institutions/groups. I differentiate past from present, people then to people now and ask myself how to we go about this knowing that society as a whole is different than it was then. It's all very grey to me about what could be done. I don't see the significance in an apology compared to acknowledgement/recognition since the people who should be apologizing, as well as face punishment, are already dead. To me it would be an ineffective apology, kind of similar to an empty apology. If it were me I wouldn't feel like I was apologized to properly I feel acknowledgement and recognition is definitely the way to go and if the church isn't then yeah they need to be called out. I wonder what else could be done other than that and an apology for people who want that. I am asking myself a lot of questions in regards to this so it might be hard to get a read of me. I am not really one-way or another. I apologize for any misunderstanding that could come from this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 27, 2021 Author Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: I am not trying to. In stating some stuff I didn't mean to undermine anything any group has done or faced. I stated experiences I have heard from people close to me and stated a story that falls in line with those sort of descriptions of what those children went through that you made. If you go to that thread and read what I said you wouldn't think I would purposely try to understate anything, it is fairly graphic. Right after I said "some stuff" that I stated this I am just going more in-depth than just saying institutions/groups and what not then go more into the specifics like the peoples of these institutions/groups. I differentiate past from present, people then to people now and ask myself how to we go about this knowing that society as a whole is different than it was then. It's all very grey to me about what could be done. I don't see the significance in an apology compared to acknowledgement/recognition since the people who should be apologizing, as well as face punishment, are already dead. To me it would be an ineffective apology, kind of similar to an empty apology. If it were me I wouldn't feel like I was apologized to properly I feel acknowledgement and recognition is definitely the way to go and if the church isn't then yeah they need to be called out. I wonder what else could be done other than that and an apology for people who want that. I am asking myself a lot of questions in regards to this so it might be hard to get a read of me. I am not really one-way or another. I apologize for any misunderstanding that could come from this. Since recognition is one of the key things we've been advocating, we have no disagreement there. Problem is, there doesn't seem to be any official level of recognition from the Church or the RCMP. As far as an apology goes, you're welcome to your opinion, but personally, I'd defer to the First Nations themselves on that front. I believe that an apology would go a long way towards beginning the healing process. Perhaps I'll ask my mother in law who was a resident of Lejac and get back to you on that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lejac_Residential_School 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Since recognition is one of the key things we've been advocating, we have no disagreement there. Problem is, there doesn't seem to be any official level of recognition from the Church or the RCMP. As far as an apology goes, you're welcome to your opinion, but personally, I'd defer to the First Nations themselves on that front. I believe that an apology would go a long way towards beginning the healing process. Perhaps I'll ask my mother in law who was a resident of Lejac and get back to you on that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lejac_Residential_School This meant the world to our first nations people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apology_to_Australia's_Indigenous_peoples We still have a long way to go. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: Since recognition is one of the key things we've been advocating, we have no disagreement there. Problem is, there doesn't seem to be any official level of recognition from the Church or the RCMP. As far as an apology goes, you're welcome to your opinion, but personally, I'd defer to the First Nations themselves on that front. I believe that an apology would go a long way towards beginning the healing process. Perhaps I'll ask my mother in law who was a resident of Lejac and get back to you on that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lejac_Residential_School If it is a similar circumstance of past affecting present then that sort of perspective might help me on that. I just don't feel like it would be a real apology but I am not gonna try to tell anyone who's the victim in this sort of situation how to think. I just have a feeling of how I would react in this sort of circumstance but I also feel that you never know till you know. At a mental crossroads. My father is an immigrant from Trinidad. There's history of slavery there and in my family. Maybe if I look of Trinidad's past I could find something to relate and gain a better sort of perspective on similar circumstances. If the Church isn't recognizing the actions of their past people then yeah they need to be called out. They also need to condemn anyone who's using deflection tactics like that pastor from Ontario. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnkNuk Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said: Again, with respect, I think you're dramatically understating the situation. When you say "has done some stuff", bear in mind that what you're referring to amounts to kidnapping thousands of children, submitting them to physical and psychological abuse for years and presiding over a number of deaths that shows a criminal level of neglect.... Nobody is asking for the arrest of current Archbishops, or the abolition of the Catholic church. What they would like to see is an acknowledgement of the mistakes that were made by the institutions that were responsible for those mistakes. They would also like to see the church apologize... Instead, we attempts to downplay the situation. We even see some lament the fact that they get no recognition for the "good" that was done. This first step in fixing a problem is admitting that one exists in the first place. I see little evidence to suggest that the Catholic Church has done so.... In fairness, in regards to the Kamloops tragedy, Vancouver Archbishop Miller did make an apology: *************************************************************************************************************************************** Vancouver Archbishop J. Michael Miller has issued a formal apology to First Nations in the wake of preliminary findings from a radar survey of the former Kamloops Indian Residential school that indicated that as many as 215 children could be buried on the site. "I am writing to express my deep apology and profound condolences to the families and communities that have been devastated by this horrific news," Miller said in a statement Wednesday. "Each time new evidence of a tragedy is revealed, or another victim comes forward, countless wounds are reopened, and I know that you experience renewed suffering." In the statement, Miller said he reflected on an earlier apology he made in 2013 before the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, which he described as "words to which I remain committed and accountable." He also said the archdiocese is committed to providing the archives and records related to all residential schools and urged other Catholic and government organizations to do the same. He said the archdiocese has already provided records related to the former residential school in Kamloops to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and promised they would remain available for review. Full story at: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/vancouver-archbishop-apologizes-indigenous-community-1.6051150 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 28, 2021 Share Posted June 28, 2021 Two years ago the local Chief made the decision to remove the abandoned Catholic Church from reserve land. I believe the building dated back to 1896. There was a residential school in Cranbrook. Some kids I knew went there. As far as the church being removed. Initial reaction was negative but people thought it was a decision left to the reserve. The Chief did a good job of explaining the negative thoughts around the church and school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) Couldn't find the Bill Cosby thread. So putting this here.................... Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction overturned by court By MARYCLAIRE DALE17 minutes ago 1 of 5 FILE - In this April 26, 2018 file photo, actor and comedian Bill Cosby departs the courthouse after he was found guilty in his sexual assault retrial, at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Pa. Pennsylvania’s highest court has overturned comedian Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction. The court said Wednesday that they found an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum, File) PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Pennsylvania’s highest court overturned Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction Wednesday after finding an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case. Cosby has served more than two years of a three- to 10-year sentence at a state prison near Philadelphia. He had vowed to serve all 10 years rather than acknowledge any remorse over the 2004 encounter with accuser Andrea Constand. He was charged in late 2015, when a prosecutor armed with newly unsealed evidence — Cosby’s damaging deposition from her lawsuit — arrested him days before the 12-year statute of limitations expired. The court said that District Attorney Kevin Steele, who made the decision to arrest Cosby, was obligated to stand by his predecessor’s promise not to charge Cosby when he later gave potentially incriminating testimony in Constand’s civil suit. There was no evidence that promise was ever put in writing. Justice David Wecht, writing for a split court, said Cosby had relied on the former prosecutor’s decision not to charge him when he later gave potentially incriminating testimony in the Constand’s civil suit. They said that overturning the conviction, and barring any further prosecution, “is the only remedy that comports with society’s reasonable expectations of its elected prosecutors and our criminal justice system.” The 83-year-old Cosby, who was once beloved as “America’s Dad,” was convicted of drugging and molesting the Temple University employee at his suburban estate. The trial judge had allowed just one other accuser to testify at Cosby’s first trial, when the jury deadlocked. However, he then allowed five other accusers to testify at the retrial about their experiences with Cosby in the 1980s. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that testimony tainted the trial, even though a lower appeals court had found it appropriate to show a signature pattern of drugging and molesting women. Cosby was the first celebrity tried and convicted in the #MeToo era, so the reversal could make prosecutors wary of calling other accusers in similar cases. The law on prior bad act testimony varies by state, though, and the ruling only holds sway in Pennsylvania. The justices voiced concern not just about sex assault cases, but what they saw as the judiciary’s increasing tendency to allow testimony that crosses the line into character attacks. The law allows the testimony only in limited cases, including to show a crime pattern so specific it serves to identify the perpetrator. In New York, the judge presiding over last year’s trial of movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, whose case had sparked the explosion of the #MeToo movement in 2017, let four other accusers testify. Weinstein was convicted and sentenced to 23 years in prison. He is now facing separate charges in California. In Cosby’s case, one of his appellate lawyers said prosecutors put on vague evidence about the uncharged conduct, including Cosby’s own recollections in his deposition about giving women alcohol or quaaludes before sexual encounters. “The presumption of innocence just didn’t exist for him,” Jennifer Bonjean, the lawyer, argued to the court in December. In May, Cosby was denied paroled after refusing to participate in sex offender programs during his nearly three years in state prison. He has long said he would resist the treatment programs and refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing even if it means serving the full 10-year sentence. This is the first year he was eligible for parole under the three- to 10-year sentence handed down after his 2018 conviction. Cosby spokesperson Andrew Wyatt called the parole board decision “appalling.” Prosecutors said Cosby repeatedly used his fame and “family man” persona to manipulate young women, holding himself out as a mentor before betraying them. Cosby, a groundbreaking Black actor who grew up in public housing in Philadelphia, made a fortune estimated at $400 million during his 50 years in the entertainment industry. His trademark clean comedy and homespun wisdom fueled popular TV shows, books and standup acts. He fell from favor in his later years as he lectured the Black community about family values, but was attempting a comeback when he was arrested. “There was a built-in level of trust because of his status in the entertainment industry and because he held himself out as a public moralist,” Assistant District Attorney Adrienne Jappe, of suburban Montgomery County, argued to the justices. Cosby had invited Constand to an estate he owns in Pennsylvania the night she said he drugged and sexually assaulted her. Constand, a former professional basketball player who worked at his alma mater, went to police a year later. The other accusers knew Cosby through the entertainment industry and did not go to police. The AP does not typically identify sexual assault victims without their permission, which Constand has granted. Edited June 30, 2021 by nuckin_futz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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