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2 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

Couldn't find the Bill Cosby thread. So putting this here....................

 

Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction overturned by court

By MARYCLAIRE DALE17 minutes ago
 
 
FILE - In this April 26, 2018 file photo, actor and comedian Bill Cosby departs the courthouse after he was found guilty in his sexual assault retrial, at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Pa. Pennsylvania’s highest court has overturned comedian Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction. The court said Wednesday that they found an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum, File)
 

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Pennsylvania’s highest court overturned Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction Wednesday after finding an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case.

 

Cosby has served more than two years of a three- to 10-year sentence at a state prison near Philadelphia. He had vowed to serve all 10 years rather than acknowledge any remorse over the 2004 encounter with accuser Andrea Constand.

 

He was charged in late 2015, when a prosecutor armed with newly unsealed evidence — Cosby’s damaging deposition from her lawsuit — arrested him days before the 12-year statute of limitations expired.

 

The court said that District Attorney Kevin Steele, who made the decision to arrest Cosby, was obligated to stand by his predecessor’s promise not to charge Cosby when he later gave potentially incriminating testimony in Constand’s civil suit. There was no evidence that promise was ever put in writing.

Justice David Wecht, writing for a split court, said Cosby had relied on the former prosecutor’s decision not to charge him when he later gave potentially incriminating testimony in the Constand’s civil suit.

 

They said that overturning the conviction, and barring any further prosecution, “is the only remedy that comports with society’s reasonable expectations of its elected prosecutors and our criminal justice system.”

 

The 83-year-old Cosby, who was once beloved as “America’s Dad,” was convicted of drugging and molesting the Temple University employee at his suburban estate.

 

The trial judge had allowed just one other accuser to testify at Cosby’s first trial, when the jury deadlocked. However, he then allowed five other accusers to testify at the retrial about their experiences with Cosby in the 1980s.

 

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that testimony tainted the trial, even though a lower appeals court had found it appropriate to show a signature pattern of drugging and molesting women.

 

Cosby was the first celebrity tried and convicted in the #MeToo era, so the reversal could make prosecutors wary of calling other accusers in similar cases. The law on prior bad act testimony varies by state, though, and the ruling only holds sway in Pennsylvania.

 

The justices voiced concern not just about sex assault cases, but what they saw as the judiciary’s increasing tendency to allow testimony that crosses the line into character attacks. The law allows the testimony only in limited cases, including to show a crime pattern so specific it serves to identify the perpetrator.

 

In New York, the judge presiding over last year’s trial of movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, whose case had sparked the explosion of the #MeToo movement in 2017, let four other accusers testify. Weinstein was convicted and sentenced to 23 years in prison. He is now facing separate charges in California.

 

In Cosby’s case, one of his appellate lawyers said prosecutors put on vague evidence about the uncharged conduct, including Cosby’s own recollections in his deposition about giving women alcohol or quaaludes before sexual encounters.

 

“The presumption of innocence just didn’t exist for him,” Jennifer Bonjean, the lawyer, argued to the court in December.

 

In May, Cosby was denied paroled after refusing to participate in sex offender programs during his nearly three years in state prison. He has long said he would resist the treatment programs and refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing even if it means serving the full 10-year sentence.

 

This is the first year he was eligible for parole under the three- to 10-year sentence handed down after his 2018 conviction.

Cosby spokesperson Andrew Wyatt called the parole board decision “appalling.”

 

Prosecutors said Cosby repeatedly used his fame and “family man” persona to manipulate young women, holding himself out as a mentor before betraying them.

 

Cosby, a groundbreaking Black actor who grew up in public housing in Philadelphia, made a fortune estimated at $400 million during his 50 years in the entertainment industry. His trademark clean comedy and homespun wisdom fueled popular TV shows, books and standup acts.

 

He fell from favor in his later years as he lectured the Black community about family values, but was attempting a comeback when he was arrested.

 

“There was a built-in level of trust because of his status in the entertainment industry and because he held himself out as a public moralist,” Assistant District Attorney Adrienne Jappe, of suburban Montgomery County, argued to the justices.

 

Cosby had invited Constand to an estate he owns in Pennsylvania the night she said he drugged and sexually assaulted her.

 

Constand, a former professional basketball player who worked at his alma mater, went to police a year later. The other accusers knew Cosby through the entertainment industry and did not go to police.

 

The AP does not typically identify sexual assault victims without their permission, which Constand has granted.

Just saw this....

 

That previous prosecutor has a lot to answer for....

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3 hours ago, nuckin_futz said:

Couldn't find the Bill Cosby thread. So putting this here....................

 

Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction overturned by court

By MARYCLAIRE DALE17 minutes ago
 
 
FILE - In this April 26, 2018 file photo, actor and comedian Bill Cosby departs the courthouse after he was found guilty in his sexual assault retrial, at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Pa. Pennsylvania’s highest court has overturned comedian Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction. The court said Wednesday that they found an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum, File)
 

PHILADELPHIA (AP) — Pennsylvania’s highest court overturned Bill Cosby’s sex assault conviction Wednesday after finding an agreement with a previous prosecutor prevented him from being charged in the case.

 

Cosby has served more than two years of a three- to 10-year sentence at a state prison near Philadelphia. He had vowed to serve all 10 years rather than acknowledge any remorse over the 2004 encounter with accuser Andrea Constand.

 

He was charged in late 2015, when a prosecutor armed with newly unsealed evidence — Cosby’s damaging deposition from her lawsuit — arrested him days before the 12-year statute of limitations expired.

 

The court said that District Attorney Kevin Steele, who made the decision to arrest Cosby, was obligated to stand by his predecessor’s promise not to charge Cosby when he later gave potentially incriminating testimony in Constand’s civil suit. There was no evidence that promise was ever put in writing.

Justice David Wecht, writing for a split court, said Cosby had relied on the former prosecutor’s decision not to charge him when he later gave potentially incriminating testimony in the Constand’s civil suit.

 

They said that overturning the conviction, and barring any further prosecution, “is the only remedy that comports with society’s reasonable expectations of its elected prosecutors and our criminal justice system.”

 

The 83-year-old Cosby, who was once beloved as “America’s Dad,” was convicted of drugging and molesting the Temple University employee at his suburban estate.

 

The trial judge had allowed just one other accuser to testify at Cosby’s first trial, when the jury deadlocked. However, he then allowed five other accusers to testify at the retrial about their experiences with Cosby in the 1980s.

 

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court said that testimony tainted the trial, even though a lower appeals court had found it appropriate to show a signature pattern of drugging and molesting women.

 

Cosby was the first celebrity tried and convicted in the #MeToo era, so the reversal could make prosecutors wary of calling other accusers in similar cases. The law on prior bad act testimony varies by state, though, and the ruling only holds sway in Pennsylvania.

 

The justices voiced concern not just about sex assault cases, but what they saw as the judiciary’s increasing tendency to allow testimony that crosses the line into character attacks. The law allows the testimony only in limited cases, including to show a crime pattern so specific it serves to identify the perpetrator.

 

In New York, the judge presiding over last year’s trial of movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, whose case had sparked the explosion of the #MeToo movement in 2017, let four other accusers testify. Weinstein was convicted and sentenced to 23 years in prison. He is now facing separate charges in California.

 

In Cosby’s case, one of his appellate lawyers said prosecutors put on vague evidence about the uncharged conduct, including Cosby’s own recollections in his deposition about giving women alcohol or quaaludes before sexual encounters.

 

“The presumption of innocence just didn’t exist for him,” Jennifer Bonjean, the lawyer, argued to the court in December.

 

In May, Cosby was denied paroled after refusing to participate in sex offender programs during his nearly three years in state prison. He has long said he would resist the treatment programs and refuse to acknowledge wrongdoing even if it means serving the full 10-year sentence.

 

This is the first year he was eligible for parole under the three- to 10-year sentence handed down after his 2018 conviction.

Cosby spokesperson Andrew Wyatt called the parole board decision “appalling.”

 

Prosecutors said Cosby repeatedly used his fame and “family man” persona to manipulate young women, holding himself out as a mentor before betraying them.

 

Cosby, a groundbreaking Black actor who grew up in public housing in Philadelphia, made a fortune estimated at $400 million during his 50 years in the entertainment industry. His trademark clean comedy and homespun wisdom fueled popular TV shows, books and standup acts.

 

He fell from favor in his later years as he lectured the Black community about family values, but was attempting a comeback when he was arrested.

 

“There was a built-in level of trust because of his status in the entertainment industry and because he held himself out as a public moralist,” Assistant District Attorney Adrienne Jappe, of suburban Montgomery County, argued to the justices.

 

Cosby had invited Constand to an estate he owns in Pennsylvania the night she said he drugged and sexually assaulted her.

 

Constand, a former professional basketball player who worked at his alma mater, went to police a year later. The other accusers knew Cosby through the entertainment industry and did not go to police.

 

The AP does not typically identify sexual assault victims without their permission, which Constand has granted.

I am speechless.......gobsmacked and haven't stopped "WHAT THE ABSOLUTE &^@#" ing since this news broke just awhile ago.

 

What's next...Harvey Weinstein walks?
 
OJ gets a pardon?
 

Epstein gets resurrected from the dead and goes home to sex traffic young girls some more?

From this CTV article, linked below, this paragraph stands out particularly....

 

" But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court said Wednesday that District Attorney Kevin Steele, who made the decision to arrest Cosby, was obligated to stand by his predecessor's promise not to charge Cosby, though there was no evidence that promise was ever put in writing.
 
Those last 12 bolded words....are you fecking kidding me?????
 
So can just anyone make up some bull$&!# 'but he said' and walk out of prison after sexually assaulting women or is that only for the very rich who can afford fancy lawyers?
 
 
 
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So PM JT has spoken about church burnings in Canada and said that is “not a way to go”

Regardless of thoughts that people have about the Catholic Church and residential school history and recent mass grave discoveries.

 

To be completely honest, I find his statement kind of milquetoast.

When single mosque got torched in 2015 in Ontario, JT was “deeply disturbed”

Purely speculation on my part but if synagogue got burned down, I don’t see him saying the same thing.

 


https://globalnews.ca/news/7992990/church-fires-canada-condemned/

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1 hour ago, CBH1926 said:

So PM JT has spoken about church burnings in Canada and said that is “not a way to go”

Regardless of thoughts that people have about the Catholic Church and residential school history and recent mass grave discoveries.

 

To be completely honest, I find his statement kind of milquetoast.

When single mosque got torched in 2015 in Ontario, JT was “deeply disturbed”

Purely speculation on my part but if synagogue got burned down, I don’t see him saying the same thing.

 


https://globalnews.ca/news/7992990/church-fires-canada-condemned/


While I think there are differences in that the mosque/synagogue analogy in that they are meant to inspire terror whereas the Catholic Church burnings are happening in anger, I still agree with you that this requires much stronger language from the PM. People are going to get killed soon if this keeps up. I’m not trying to relate the terrible situation happening in Lytton right now as I don’t know the cause of this fire but imagine if one of these church burnings leads to a massive wildfire in these hot and dry conditions. I understand the hurt and anger but cooler heads need to prevail.

 

 

 

 

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Apparently, statues of Queens Victoria and Elizabeth II were vandalized and toppled in Winnipeg yesterday. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/queen-victoria-statue-winnipeg-reactions-1.6087938

 

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Winnipeg police Chief Danny Smyth says officers are investigating after the head of a Queen Victoria statue at the Manitoba Legislature was removed and thrown in the Assiniboine River.

The statue was further vandalized after a crowd pulled it and a smaller statue of Queen Elizabeth down at the end of the Every Child Matters walk on July 1.

 

Smyth says the rally was largely peaceful and the vast majority of those in the crowd weren't involved.

"I'm disappointed. I know the intent of all the organizers involved was to have a peaceful demonstration, a show of solidarity ... for the lost children of the residential schools. I don't think anyone expected that to occur," he said in a news conference on Friday.

Police didn't intervene when the statues were being toppled by a small group of people so as not to incite the crowd, Smyth said.

"We will be investigating this to determine who was involved in this," he said.

The investigation will include reviewing security footage, he said.

The walk on Canada Day was held to protest the country's treatment of Indigenous people under the colonial system — and in particular the system that forced children to leave their families and attend residential schools, where abuse was common and many died.

The statue of Victoria, first unveiled in 1904, was left covered with a Canadian flag, and the words "We were children" were written on it in black marker, referencing children who died in residential schools.

Sometime between Thursday afternoon and Friday morning, the head of the Victoria statue was taken off and dumped in the river.

Smyth said a 51-year-old man was arrested on site and charged with mischief for allegedly damaging a vehicle in the area and assaulting a peace office, although police don't believe he was involved in pulling down the statues.

CBC News journalists saw police shock a man with a stun gun before he was arrested, while some onlookers lobbed objects at officers and yelled profanities.

The crowd was largely peaceful before the arrest, but police had to push a throng back to take the man into custody.

Premier Brian Pallister had a scathing rebuke for those who took down the statue, calling it "a major setback" for reconciliation in a statement on Friday.

"The actions by individuals to vandalize public property at the Manitoba Legislative Building July 1 are unacceptable. They are a major setback for those who are working toward real reconciliation and do nothing to advance this important goal," he said.

"Those who commit acts of violence will be pursued actively in the courts. All leaders in Manitoba must strongly condemn acts of violence and vandalism, and at the same time, we must come together to meaningfully advance reconciliation."

The chief of Pimicikamak Cree Nation in northern Manitoba called for understanding after the crowd spray-painted and pulled down the statue on Thursday.

Members of Manitoba Keewatinowi Okimakanak (MKO) said while they don't condone violence, they understand the reasons why the statues were pulled down, as well as the tensions that arose between people attending the rally and police.

"I will not condemn the people, as they are hurt mentally and emotionally, because the truth that came out is hurtful and damaging," said Chief David Monias of Pimicikamak in an MKO news release on Friday.

"Destruction of material things is nothing compared to the deliberate destruction of life and culture.... Material things are replaceable, but lives aren't."

 

I'm not sure how helpful this is....I totally get the anger, but in this case, I wonder if it's being directed in the right direction? :unsure:

 

 

Predictably, the Brits aren't happy: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57693683

 

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The British government condemned the toppling of the two statues.

"We obviously condemn any defacing of statues of the Queen," a spokesman said.

"Our thoughts," the spokesman added, "are with Canada's indigenous community following these tragic discoveries and we follow these issues closely and continue to engage with the government of Canada with indigenous matters."

 

 

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1 minute ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

I think it's laughable (in a sad kind of way) that the DoJ in HK is using "sedition" as the main thrust to lock up pro-democracy activists, when the law as it stands in HK pertains to the Crown as receiver of the ill-intent - and there has been no insult to the Crown through the actions of those being locked up (the ccp or its puppet government in HK are not the Crown as the law defines).

 

Whereas these actions would definitely fall within the exact definition of sedition, should the Crown and her Minister of Justice here choose to exercise our law.  (I'm not saying they should, rather I'm just providing a comparsion of the bull$&!#tery in HK by them using colonial era anti-sedition law to pursue the pro-democracy activists and put them in jail.)

 

It's complicated, and one could almost argue that QEII is probably not the right monarch's statue to target, as by all accounts, she is a somewhat progressive monarch, who has if anything chosen to relinquish colonial title upon the Empire and has let her former colonies choose their own direction and govern themselves.

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

 

The Residential School System is a purely Canadian initiative....the Brits, AFAIK, had nothing to do with it....

 

As I said before, I understand the anger and the need to strike out at the institutions of power, but I worry that this might lead down the road to where the US is now with BLM. Protesters with a legitimate cause become labeled as vandals instead of peaceful protesters and the actions that caused the protests in the first place start to become overshadowed by the actions of a few overzealous demonstrators.

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4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

This is pretty much what I was thinking.

 

The Residential School System is a purely Canadian initiative....the Brits, AFAIK, had nothing to do with it....

 

As I said before, I understand the anger and the need to strike out at the institutions of power, but I worry that this might lead down the road to where the US is now with BLM. Protesters with a legitimate cause become labeled as vandals instead of peaceful protesters and the actions that caused the protests in the first place start to become overshadowed by the actions of a few overzealous demonstrators.

Over here in Aus we have 2 " stolen" generations.

One gets lots of press as it should.

First nations kids were taken from their families for a few reasons,one in particular that was really heinous was the effort to breed them out.

 

The second stolen generation which is not really acknowledged and one I am part of is 250,000 kids that were "farmed" out by the Catholic church mostly because they considered their mothers,in many cases teenagers,unfit to be mother's.

This was sanctioned by the state which also had a white only policy for Australia.

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9 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

I think we are going to see a war in the near future between these two nations, sans nuclear weapons.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-and-india-move-tens-of-thousands-of-troops-to-the-border-as-tensions-rise/ar-AALHAkM?li=BBnbfcL

Massive populations, China's is over balanced with men, so a thinning of them in a short war might suit the overlords of the CCP

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3 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

Nobody is firing off any nukes so close to Russia.

 

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/should-us-worry-about-chinas-new-missile-silos-found-deep-in-desert/news-story/0824ee0e99c7f69b186d370da6d1c575

 

 

https://www.mtu.edu/news/2018/06/more-harm-than-good-assessing-the-nuclear-arsenal-tipping-point.html

 

Now as the second article concludes any nation that uses more than 100 nukes against another nation.

endangers itself.

 

A paper published by the bulletin of atomic scientists in 2020 states China has about 350 nuclear warheads.

 

Why do you think China is building more nuclear sites ?

 

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2 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

Why do you think China is building more nuclear sites ?

 

And this will eventually push Japan to start making nuclear weapons they are very capable of making. I can only see China building this many nukes as a hard power play like the Soviets did in the past, force western powers and influence out of Asia whether the populace wants it or not and enact their will over their neighbors. India of course will start stockpiling, and Pakistan might be armed by China in a Cuban missile crisis sort of situation. Maybe Australia even gets antsy and starts stockpiling. And lets not forget, if the US or Russia even feel threatened for a second everyone is dead. Countries that were formerly reducing now have no trouble justifying increasing their arsenal. This is really bone headed politics from China, it seems like they are really intent on killing us all.

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2 hours ago, Kurgom said:

And this will eventually push Japan to start making nuclear weapons they are very capable of making. I can only see China building this many nukes as a hard power play like the Soviets did in the past, force western powers and influence out of Asia whether the populace wants it or not and enact their will over their neighbors. India of course will start stockpiling, and Pakistan might be armed by China in a Cuban missile crisis sort of situation. Maybe Australia even gets antsy and starts stockpiling. And lets not forget, if the US or Russia even feel threatened for a second everyone is dead. Countries that were formerly reducing now have no trouble justifying increasing their arsenal. This is really bone headed politics from China, it seems like they are really intent on killing us all.

Nine countries in the world have a total of just over 13,000 nuclear warheads with US and Russia holding over 90 percent of them.

 

As one of the articles stated any nation that uses over 100 nukes against another nation endangers itself.

 

https://www.indepthnews.net/index.php/opinion/3227-u-s-is-greatest-threat-to-world-peace

 

As this article states most countries think the US is the greatest threat to world peace.

 

While I think China should not be building more nukes I also believe that existing stockpiles should be reduced in all nations especially the US which in the last 50 years has proven to be the biggest rogue nation on this planet.

 

 

 

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39 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Nine countries in the world have a total of just over 13,000 nuclear warheads with US and Russia holding over 90 percent of them.

 

As one of the articles stated any nation that uses over 100 nukes against another nation endangers itself.

 

https://www.indepthnews.net/index.php/opinion/3227-u-s-is-greatest-threat-to-world-peace

 

As this article states most countries think the US is the greatest threat to world peace.

 

While I think China should not be building more nukes I also believe that existing stockpiles should be reduced in all nations especially the US which in the last 50 years has proven to be the biggest rogue nation on this planet.

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_disarmament

 

Wanna know what country isn't in any of those deals or agreements? It's not the "rogue nation" of the US.

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1 hour ago, Kurgom said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_disarmament

 

Wanna know what country isn't in any of those deals or agreements? It's not the "rogue nation" of the US.

I clicked on your link and nothing came up so I am not clear what deals and agreements you are referencing.

 

As for the US being a rogue nation which by your inverted commas you seem to be questioning let me elucidate you on the meaning of the words rogue nation " a state that does not respect other states in its international actions".

 

Between 1946 and 2000 the US interfered in 81 foreign elections as opposed to the Russians who interfered in 36.

 

Since its inception there are only 3 countries on this planet the US has not invaded. 

 

https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/these-are-the-only-3-countries-america-hasnt-invaded/

 

While many of these have had moral justification many have not.

 

Then there is Blackwater I suggest you read that book about America private Army that's acts both outside and within its own borders.

 

Then there are the " cointelpro" operations run by the American government against its own citizens.

 

Here are some books you can read to inform yourself more on the subject.

 

Derailing Democracy by David McGowan.

 

Cointelpro papers by Ward Churchill and Jim Vander Wall 

 

Blackwater by Jeremy Scahill 

 

Rogue States 

The Rule of Force in World Affairs by Noam Chomsky  

 

The leading Rogue State 

The US and Human rights by Judith R Blau David l Brunsma 

Alberto Moncada Catherine Zimmer.

This particular book illustrates how the US has declined to join most other UN nations in treaties addressing inadequate housing,poverty children's rights,health care,racial discrimination,and migrant workers. 

For decades the US has refused to ratify widely accepted agreements on many human rights.

 

When you have finished reading those I can give you another dozen books to read on this subject.

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

 

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/should-us-worry-about-chinas-new-missile-silos-found-deep-in-desert/news-story/0824ee0e99c7f69b186d370da6d1c575

 

 

https://www.mtu.edu/news/2018/06/more-harm-than-good-assessing-the-nuclear-arsenal-tipping-point.html

 

Now as the second article concludes any nation that uses more than 100 nukes against another nation.

endangers itself.

 

A paper published by the bulletin of atomic scientists in 2020 states China has about 350 nuclear warheads.

 

Why do you think China is building more nuclear sites ?

 

Chinese are trying to build more nuclear weapons as a deterrent to the U.S.

Same reason why Russians have doomsday nuclear weapons that contain so many war heads or mobile nuclear weapons.

Russians have always lacked ability to track potential launches that the U.S has.

 

They are concerned with undetected strike so they have spread their weapons across the uninhabited areas.

Russians and Chinese know where nuclear silos for minuteman are located.

On the other hand Ohio class subs are all over the place.

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