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9 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Update: 45 dead - of that count, 3 civilians.

 

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Philippine air force plane crash kills at least 45

Official says C-130 aircraft likely missed the runway; death toll includes 42 soldiers, 3 civilians

The Associated Press · Posted: Jul 04, 2021 2:12 AM ET | Last Updated: 2 hours ago
 
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Rescuers carry a body from the site where a Philippine military C-130 plane crashed in the southern Philippines on Sunday. (Joint Task Force-Sulu/The Associated Press)

A Philippine air force C-130 aircraft carrying combat troops assigned to fight Muslim militants crashed and exploded while landing in the south Sunday, killing at least 42 army soldiers on board and three civilians on the ground in one of worst disasters in the air force's history.

 

At least 49 other soldiers were rescued with injuries and survived the fiery noontime crash into a coconut grove outside the Jolo airport in Sulu province, including some who managed to jump off the aircraft before it exploded and was gutted by fire, military officials said. Three of seven villagers who were hit on the ground died.

 

The aircraft had 96 people on board, including three pilots and five crew while the rest were army personnel, the military said, adding only five soldiers remained unaccounted for late Sunday. The pilots survived but were seriously injured, officials said.

 

The Lockheed C-130 Hercules was one of two ex-U.S. Air Force aircraft handed over to the Philippines as part of military assistance this year. It crashed on landing shortly before noon Sunday in Bangkal village in the mountainous town of Patikul in Sulu province, Chief of Staff Gen. Cirilito Sobejana said.

 

Officials said the injured personnel were brought to a hospital in Sulu or flown to nearby Zamboanga city and troops were continuing to search for the missing. "A number of soldiers were seen jumping out of the aircraft before it hit the ground, sparing them from the explosion caused by the crash," a military statement said, citing witnesses.

Soldiers had undergone basic training

The plane was transporting troops, many of them new soldiers who had just undergone basic training, from the southern Cagayan de Oro city for deployment in Sulu, officials said. Government forces have been battling Abu Sayyaf militants in the predominantly Muslim province of Sulu for decades.

 

It was not immediately clear what caused the crash. Regional military commander Lt. Gen. Corleto Vinluan said it was unlikely that the aircraft took hostile fire and cited witnesses as saying that it appeared to have overshot the runway, then crashed on the periphery of the airport.

 

"It's very unfortunate," Sobejana told reporters. "The plane missed the runway and it was trying to regain power but failed and crashed."

 

An air force official told The Associated Press that the Jolo runway is shorter than most others in the country, making it more difficult for pilots to adjust if an aircraft misses the landing spot. The official, who has flown military aircraft to and from Jolo several times, spoke on condition of anonymity because of a lack of authority to speak publicly.

 

The airport is located a few kilometres from a mountainous area where troops have battled Abu Sayyaf. Some militants have aligned themselves with the group Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS).

 
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First responders approach the wreckage strewn among trees in the mountainous town of Patikul in Sulu province. (Joint Task Force-Sulu/Reuters)

The United States and the Philippines have separately blacklisted the Abu Sayyaf as a terrorist organization for bombings, ransom kidnappings and beheadings. It has been considerably weakened by years of government offensives but remains a threat.

 

President Rodrigo Duterte expanded the military presence in Sulu into a full division in late 2018, deploying hundreds of additional troops, air force aircraft and other combat equipment after vowing to wipe out the Abu Sayyaf and allied foreign and local gunmen.

 

Government forces at the time were running after Islamic armed groups a year after quelling the five-month siege of southern Marawi city by hundreds of militants linked to ISIS. More than 1,000 people, mostly militants and long-elusive Abu Sayyaf commanders, were killed in months of intense air and ground assaults.

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4 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

So the Ukraine military are reinforcing misogynistic stereotypes 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-04/ukrainian-female-troops-march-in-heels-sparking-outrage/100266528 

 

 

 

I saw this.

What a ridiculous idea.

No wonder there is outrage. 

 

I watch mma.  Now I know there is, for many, a strange connection between sex and violence ( as a Jane's Addiction song pops in my head) but I always get a chuckle from the ring girls. I find it soo weird that spectators watch a round of fist fighting, then a pretty near naked woman walks around the ring? then back to hard core violence, and repeat with the bikini lady after every round. Its bizarre.

 

Suppose the Ukraine is taking this idea to a new level. Sexy objectified military killing machines.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Ilunga said:

Travel around the US every second house has an American flag out the front.

They are one of the most nationalistic countries on the planet 

America fck yeah 

 

The majority of Chinese people are people like you and I.

 

As for oppressing their population they have lifted over 700,000 million people out of poverty since 1990

In the same time span real wages in both the US and here in Aus have stagnated and/or gone down.

There are more " working poor".

In the US the worlds largest economy average life expectancy has gone down.

They can spend the better part of a trillion dollars on their military and they can't fund a health system ?

They are one of, but not even close, China is THE MOST NATIONALISTIC. By a large margin. I don't go on reddit and see posts upvoted saying "lol all black people deserve to die though" in response to some tragedy in Africa but you sure do get that on Weibo. The majority are normal people but the majority of Americans aren't, do you even listen to yourself? Now I know not every mainlander is a nationalistic racist but there is NO PUSH BACK because that's the "right" stance to have. In the US a racist will be condemned, in China they will be applauded while people nervously go about their day in fear.

 

Now you just repeat garbage party talking points. They consider a meager 10 dollars a day "lifted" out of poverty. It's another &^@#ing lie to make Xi look good and you are falling for it hook line and sinker.

 

If you think the US' health system is bad, it's funny you are $&!#ting on it when talking about China. You do know China DOES NOT have universal healthcare right? You know people are thrown on the street for not being able to pay for emergency care right? RIGHT? You know their military spending has skyrocketed right? You know you can't even divorce your husband while you're &^@#ing bloody and blue without his blessing, right?

 

Something from wikipedia for you: Healthcare in China consists of both public and private medical institutions and insurance programs. About 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coverage. Despite this, public health insurance generally only covers about half of medical costs, with the proportion lower for serious or chronic illnesses.

 

You seem to be too far gone to ever consider that you have been propagandized to support an evil regime through bull$&!# like "the global south" when China looks to use &^@#ing water as a diplomatic tool.

 

Keep making excuses for a genocidal insane regime because other people are bad too, okay whatever. No one outside of government agents can even publicly speak out against the CCP for fear of losing their job or worse but that's not a problem right, just keep badgering on about how the US ruined the world in statistically the most peaceful era humans have ever had.

 

Oh and I see you posted the Ukraine military forcing women to march in heels, I really hope you never watch a military parade in China then.

 

The fact a supposed "humanist" is falling for their propaganda just shows how far reaching their influence is. Like younger people actually believe China is some socialist communist paradise because of the $&!# they are pushing.

 

Oh no the US is bought by lobbyists and rich people can get away with anything, well guess what? China is the exact same, except there's another class of people above the rich people that can do anything to them so it's all good right? Oh and the slavery numbers in China are much higher than they will ever admit, because the amount of people stuck selling their body or doing crimes for others out of debt is insane and something most people aren't aware of.

 

India has it's own problems that people like you gladly bring up, but somehow talking about China's problems is taboo and we should focus on how the US is the REAL problem in Asia. India gets heat for modi and nationalism, China gets "but the US is evil and has bases in JAPAN."

 

People forget until like, 4 years ago, India was closer to Russia than China was, China was closer to the US than India was. But somehow India was never threatened by Invasion enough to do the things China are doing.

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11 hours ago, Kurgom said:

A dying cry from a dead ideology propped up by foreign influences. If you think the US is nationalistic, just do some research into what the CCP has created by continuing to push an ideology of ethnic Han Chinese supremacy in the region. You know those border conflicts? There was zero strategic gain for China geopolitically to make a huge enemy of India, relations were almost warm before this happened. It was a symptom of the insane culture they've created around not only their military as some sort of heroic liberators of the oppressed (sound familiar?) but the people who they use in their military, aimless men with nothing but the nation to bind them, are super easy to radicalize. This got out of hand and someone did something they weren't supposed to, maybe engage with a very outspoken Indian across a valley in the Himalayas because he just had to show him how much better China was. I honestly doubt it was the other way around, considering the Indian military is extremely diverse compared to the PLA and is much less loyal to the current PM, who wont last longer like Trump, which has special separate little task forces for "ethnics." While Xi is the second best leader ever in China after Mao now, didn't you hear?

 

Look, there are lots of reasons to fight the US government, the Canadian government, and speak badly of their conduct, but the situation in China is very dangerous and it's something people in western countries can't really understand. The party has power and reaching influence to the point that students in foreign countries are afraid to speak out publicly against the CCP or say ANYTHING BAD about China, even report on a serious problem (food safety standards, kidnapping problems, people using kids as tools for begging rings) to try and improve China because they have family in China. It's out of control, and it's continued to get worse after maybe 10 years of looking better? Around the turn of the century.

 

Too bad if you say something bad about the party, China will never let you access a huge international market, which is how they criminally launder money across the world as they have in this very city. Which is why Elon Musk decided to recently become their puppet, the son of rich apartheid emerald mine owners really loves money. People have a financial interest to praise the CCP, a huge one, and this doesn't exist for the US or it's president, or us and our PM, or really anywhere else in the world except NK but their economy is pathetic so no one cares. I don't think it makes any sense to in the modern world bring attention to the US' stockpile of cold war era bombs and their poor geopolitics and somehow justify China building missile silos to expand their influence across Asia and continue to oppress the &^@# out of their population.

China in Tibet but also pressuring India. China took a little adventure into Vietnam until that blew up in their face. Not that long ago that China and Russia were shooting at one another in Siberia. Major naval expansion onto islands in the South China Sea. Vietnam, Philippines, S. Korea and Japan have all lodged complaints at the UN. Self determination in Taiwan? Broken treaty on Hong Kong?

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1 minute ago, Boudrias said:

China in Tibet but also pressuring India. China took a little adventure into Vietnam until that blew up in their face. Not that long ago that China and Russia were shooting at one another in Siberia. Major naval expansion onto islands in the South China Sea. Vietnam, Philippines, S. Korea and Japan have all lodged complaints at the UN. Self determination in Taiwan? Broken treaty on Hong Kong?

But the US did Iraq so because I'm woke I have to say something about that instead of recognizing the absolute danger that the modern Chinese state poses on the world.

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8 minutes ago, Kurgom said:

But the US did Iraq so because I'm woke I have to say something about that instead of recognizing the absolute danger that the modern Chinese state poses on the world.

IMHO most of the world has been living off the USA military budget since WW II. They can claim sainthood all they want. I had no problem with Trump demanding payment from the Euros. 

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3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

IMHO most of the world has been living off the USA military budget since WW II. They can claim sainthood all they want. I had no problem with Trump demanding payment from the Euros. 

Yes, no one likes to bring up why the US military budget is so bloated. They are legitimately helping defend many democratic nations especially in Asia. What would happen if US bases left South Korea I wonder?

 

Just demonize them and put all the worlds problems on them, I guess it's easy to have a big bad. But the US is the good force in Asia right now, don't you forget it. Japanese people and South Korean people will agree, hell so will Vietnamese even though they were at war years ago. Basically everyone but white liberals in western countries agree that China is the problem there.

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4 hours ago, Kurgom said:

They are one of, but not even close, China is THE MOST NATIONALISTIC. By a large margin. I don't go on reddit and see posts upvoted saying "lol all black people deserve to die though" in response to some tragedy in Africa but you sure do get that on Weibo. The majority are normal people but the majority of Americans aren't, do you even listen to yourself? Now I know not every mainlander is a nationalistic racist but there is NO PUSH BACK because that's the "right" stance to have. In the US a racist will be condemned, in China they will be applauded while people nervously go about their day in fear.

 

Now you just repeat garbage party talking points. They consider a meager 10 dollars a day "lifted" out of poverty. It's another &^@#ing lie to make Xi look good and you are falling for it hook line and sinker.

 

If you think the US' health system is bad, it's funny you are $&!#ting on it when talking about China. You do know China DOES NOT have universal healthcare right? You know people are thrown on the street for not being able to pay for emergency care right? RIGHT? You know their military spending has skyrocketed right? You know you can't even divorce your husband while you're &^@#ing bloody and blue without his blessing, right?

 

Something from wikipedia for you: Healthcare in China consists of both public and private medical institutions and insurance programs. About 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coverage. Despite this, public health insurance generally only covers about half of medical costs, with the proportion lower for serious or chronic illnesses.

 

You seem to be too far gone to ever consider that you have been propagandized to support an evil regime through bull$&!# like "the global south" when China looks to use &^@#ing water as a diplomatic tool.

 

Keep making excuses for a genocidal insane regime because other people are bad too, okay whatever. No one outside of government agents can even publicly speak out against the CCP for fear of losing their job or worse but that's not a problem right, just keep badgering on about how the US ruined the world in statistically the most peaceful era humans have ever had.

 

Oh and I see you posted the Ukraine military forcing women to march in heels, I really hope you never watch a military parade in China then.

 

The fact a supposed "humanist" is falling for their propaganda just shows how far reaching their influence is. Like younger people actually believe China is some socialist communist paradise because of the $&!# they are pushing.

 

Oh no the US is bought by lobbyists and rich people can get away with anything, well guess what? China is the exact same, except there's another class of people above the rich people that can do anything to them so it's all good right? Oh and the slavery numbers in China are much higher than they will ever admit, because the amount of people stuck selling their body or doing crimes for others out of debt is insane and something most people aren't aware of.

 

India has it's own problems that people like you gladly bring up, but somehow talking about China's problems is taboo and we should focus on how the US is the REAL problem in Asia. India gets heat for modi and nationalism, China gets "but the US is evil and has bases in JAPAN."

 

People forget until like, 4 years ago, India was closer to Russia than China was, China was closer to the US than India was. But somehow India was never threatened by Invasion enough to do the things China are doing.

Dude you luv putting things in people's mouths 

I stated none of those things you claim I did  if so prove it by pulling quotes from my posts

 

 

I think we will leave it there you have gone past delusional and into ga ga land 

You do not seem able to hold a rational,logical debate,rather you let your emotions take over.

 

Hope you are having a good one.

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4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

IMHO most of the world has been living off the USA military budget since WW II. They can claim sainthood all they want. I had no problem with Trump demanding payment from the Euros. 

 

4 hours ago, Boudrias said:

IMHO most of the world has been living off the USA military budget since WW II. They can claim sainthood all they want. I had no problem with Trump demanding payment from the Euros. 

I think it was right for the US to ask for the Europeans to pay more for their own defence.

However on the homefront what's more important, spending money looking after your citizens or feeding an already bloated military budget that guys like Cheney and Rummy were stealing trillions from.

 

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57 minutes ago, Ilunga said:

Dude you luv putting things in people's mouths 

I stated none of those things you claim I did  if so prove it by pulling quotes from my posts

 

 

I think we will leave it there you have gone past delusional and into ga ga land 

You do not seem able to hold a rational,logical debate,rather you let your emotions take over.

 

Hope you are having a good one.

Hey man, when you respond to someone lamenting China's increasingly aggressive, draconian geopolitics with "but America has a bunch of nukes leftover from the cold war and they wont throw them all away at once so Russia can freely &^@# Europe, so China feels scared" it's hard to see you as anything but an idiot or purposefully muddying the waters specifically around the discussion of the CCP. And you can deny that is what you did, but looking at how this conversation started, was there any reason to bring up the US in relation to my post except to provide a flimsy shield for the CCP and try to deflect attention away from a terrifying regime that threatens 4 billion people?

 

What does the US' stockpile, which exists as a counter balance to the Russian's stockpile, have to do with China suddenly massing silos? Nothing, at all, any nothing in my post had anything to do with the US beyond illustrating the reality of a world with multiple countries having the power to end the planet.

 

You hate the US because the US is accountable and you know everything they've done to hurt not only their own people but innocents abroad. Do you know that rape is basically the de facto way the CCP has "reeducated" women who disagreed with them since the mid 60's? Do you know the abhorrent $&!# they have done to their own party members because they disliked mao, only to walk all over their death by making them "martyrs" after the "peoples proletariat blablabla." There's no indication any of this has changed after all, they still adore Mao.

 

Here's some reading for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zhixin

 

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n 1969, she was imprisoned in a tiny cell for her critical comments toward Mao. She saved up 2 yuan a month to purchase books to read in the facility, where she wrote her study notes on toilet paper. The prison guards then took her pen away. She proclaimed that the party would be "punished by history; if not sooner, then later".[3][4] For a year and a half she was frequently shackled in leg irons and tied in a harness.[3]

The party forced her to sign divorce papers. Confined in an all-male prison, she was raped and tortured.[3] Other male prisoners were told they could reduce their sentences if they were willing to torture Zhang.[3]

 

Her story isn't unique, and it's not like the CCP changed their tune about how to treat people after this. The same sort of "we're going to force you to divorce your husband so we can rape you because we're morally good guys and don't steal peoples wives" $&!# is alive and well in the CCP.

 

Here's a really good article about her:

https://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/caixin-media/zhang-zhixin-woman-who-took-gang-four

 

Some prison authorities apparently objected, saying that she had gone mad. Indeed, Zhang had reportedly taken to smearing herself with her own excrement to stave off her rapists. But these objections were shot down. “Every day she lives she becomes more counterrevolutionary,” came the order from the top. “Let’s kill her and have it over with.”

 

This article is about how China did not educate it's youth on the absolute horrendous and backwards garbage that was the "cultural revolution." How some more socially democratic leaders said China wasn't safe from another one unless they properly legislated and educated the youth on the atrocities the party committed in the name of "unity." Well, Xi stopped that didn't he? The "memorial" for this woman of course doesn't mention her name, what happened to her, just some blurb about pursuing the truth.

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5 hours ago, Kurgom said:

Hey man, when you respond to someone lamenting China's increasingly aggressive, draconian geopolitics with "but America has a bunch of nukes leftover from the cold war and they wont throw them all away at once so Russia can freely &^@# Europe, so China feels scared" it's hard to see you as anything but an idiot or purposefully muddying the waters specifically around the discussion of the CCP. And you can deny that is what you did, but looking at how this conversation started, was there any reason to bring up the US in relation to my post except to provide a flimsy shield for the CCP and try to deflect attention away from a terrifying regime that threatens 4 billion people?

 

What does the US' stockpile, which exists as a counter balance to the Russian's stockpile, have to do with China suddenly massing silos? Nothing, at all, any nothing in my post had anything to do with the US beyond illustrating the reality of a world with multiple countries having the power to end the planet.

 

You hate the US because the US is accountable and you know everything they've done to hurt not only their own people but innocents abroad. Do you know that rape is basically the de facto way the CCP has "reeducated" women who disagreed with them since the mid 60's? Do you know the abhorrent $&!# they have done to their own party members because they disliked mao, only to walk all over their death by making them "martyrs" after the "peoples proletariat blablabla." There's no indication any of this has changed after all, they still adore Mao.

 

Here's some reading for you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Zhixin

 

From there:

n 1969, she was imprisoned in a tiny cell for her critical comments toward Mao. She saved up 2 yuan a month to purchase books to read in the facility, where she wrote her study notes on toilet paper. The prison guards then took her pen away. She proclaimed that the party would be "punished by history; if not sooner, then later".[3][4] For a year and a half she was frequently shackled in leg irons and tied in a harness.[3]

The party forced her to sign divorce papers. Confined in an all-male prison, she was raped and tortured.[3] Other male prisoners were told they could reduce their sentences if they were willing to torture Zhang.[3]

 

Her story isn't unique, and it's not like the CCP changed their tune about how to treat people after this. The same sort of "we're going to force you to divorce your husband so we can rape you because we're morally good guys and don't steal peoples wives" $&!# is alive and well in the CCP.

 

Here's a really good article about her:

https://www.chinafile.com/reporting-opinion/caixin-media/zhang-zhixin-woman-who-took-gang-four

 

Some prison authorities apparently objected, saying that she had gone mad. Indeed, Zhang had reportedly taken to smearing herself with her own excrement to stave off her rapists. But these objections were shot down. “Every day she lives she becomes more counterrevolutionary,” came the order from the top. “Let’s kill her and have it over with.”

 

This article is about how China did not educate it's youth on the absolute horrendous and backwards garbage that was the "cultural revolution." How some more socially democratic leaders said China wasn't safe from another one unless they properly legislated and educated the youth on the atrocities the party committed in the name of "unity." Well, Xi stopped that didn't he? The "memorial" for this woman of course doesn't mention her name, what happened to her, just some blurb about pursuing the truth.

I am only posting to correct your BS.

 

I am not lamenting anything about China.

I have critisised them for their human rights abuses and their crackdown on free speech.

 

I have pointed out that the US has been the biggest rogue nation which on this planet since WW2 and provided the evidence to back up my argument.

None of which you have refuted because you can't.

 

As for the left over cold war nukes 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/cold-war-era-weapon-100bn-us-plan-to-build-new-nuclear-missile-sparks-concern

 

The story you put forward about Zhang is heartbreaking and my heart goes out to her family 

 

However you obviously haven't researched the cointelpro operations I informed you about or Herbert Hoovers actions as well as Senator Joe McCarthy.

Here is what they did to a hero of mine 

 

https://www.history.com/news/martin-luther-king-jr-fbi-j-edgar-hoover-communism

 

And they have done this to many others who have not toed the line.

Read the book I mentioned and educate yourself.

 

As for your claim I am just listening to the CCP's propaganda in regards to over 8 hundred million people being lifted out if poverty,my source is the World bank.

 

https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/china-lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-is-historic-world-bank-117101300027_1.html

 

And if they were only earning as little as you say they are why do western companies want a big slice of their pie ?

 

You still haven't answered my question about what the US would do if China had just one base,let alone the ring of bases close to China and no doubt Nuclear subs patrolling waters close to China.

We both know what would happen WW3 

 

To set you straight there is only 1 thing I hate- hate is such a useless emotion- and that is injustice.

And it is clear who has caused more of that on this planet in the last 70 years.

China and America are criminals,china is open about it,the US is like a pedophile priest,he preaches good however practices bad.

And people like that really piss me off.

 

 

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1 hour ago, 4petesake said:

 

China is about to move in and fill the void.

 


Sorry, this link was not behind a paywall the first time I visited the site but seems to be now.

Here you go Pete 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9755531/China-prepares-Afghanistan-following-Americas-departure-Belt-Road-program.html 

 

First off I would love to know the interest rates and payment plan on the BRI.

Our state government felt comfortable enough to sign up,then the federal government stepped in and nixed the deal.

 

Some research states this plan is a debt trap for some nations,those nations traditionally having poor debt ratings and are high on international corruption indexes.

Then another study by the world bank stated it will increase the GDP of East Asian and developing Pacific developing countries by 2.6- 3.9 percent.

 

It is obviously a projection of "soft power" out of Beijing. 

 

Afghanistan is at the crossroad of civilisations,different empires have tried $$##"$#@ with them for thousands of years right up until our lifetimes with both the Russians and Americans and Australians, it is both of our countries longest running war, having their asses kicked.

 

As well as this Australians have much to be ashamed of in regards to this war 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-19/afghan-war-crimes-report-released-what-you-need-to-know/12899880

 

These are the victims we know of.

I am willing to bet there are more victims.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Ilunga said:

 

I think it was right for the US to ask for the Europeans to pay more for their own defence.

However on the homefront what's more important, spending money looking after your citizens or feeding an already bloated military budget that guys like Cheney and Rummy were stealing trillions from.

 

Wow, trillions! Those $18000 hammers add up. Amazing whether GOP or DEMO they all use the American military for their own purposes. 

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21 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Wow, trillions! Those $18000 hammers add up. Amazing whether GOP or DEMO they all use the American military for their own purposes. 

The American military establishment plays a shell game.  Present fairly trivial things for voters to pay attention to (by comparison) while they make billions upon billions.  

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10 hours ago, Boudrias said:

Wow, trillions! Those $18000 hammers add up. Amazing whether GOP or DEMO they all use the American military for their own purposes. 

 

 

 

https://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/shadow-world-film-review-1201762486/

 

The whole Doco is revealing however what is pertinent to our conversation is when rummy is being grilled by a congressional committee.

When asked about 2.3 trillion that went missing he said something about computers messed up.

The representative's family received death threats and and he stated that's what happens when you play with the big boys.

 

 

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https://variety.com/2016/film/reviews/shadow-world-film-review-1201762486/

 

The whole Doco is revealing however what is pertinent to our conversation is when rummy is being grilled by a congressional committee.

When asked about 2.3 trillion that went missing he said something about computers messed up.

The representative's family received death threats and and he stated that's what happens when you play with the big boys.

 

 

The Biden ask for military budget 2022 was $715 billion. Suggesting Bush and Rumsfeld stole $2.3 trillion is over 3x the current budget. I grant that they had 8 years to steal this much but the scale you are suggesting is hard to accept. 

 

An interesting thought to pursue is how much money from other budgets actually get spent on military projects? Does the mini shuttle used by the USA Space Command get paid for by NASA? Is Space Command partially paid for by NASA? I notice that the Biden admin has not cancelled Space Command.  

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