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I don't know how many of you speak Mandarin, but Chinese people are really, really mad at the government right now for the entire Zhengzhou tunnel situation. People trying to get to their missing family members arrested, tow truck driver who said at least 6300 dead arrested, no one notified about the flood until a few minutes before the tunnel was completely submerged, officials acting to protect themselves and no one doing anything to help the thousands stuck in a 2 mile long tunnel. People are realizing the only thing the government protects is themself and care little about the people. The automatic tolls were running as people drowned. The CCP is downplaying this hard but it got out of control because of all the cell phone videos.

 

Hopefully this is a spark for real change in the country, and the CCP don't just get away with it. But they have sent the military in, but people are still upset, because the inefficiency and inability of the CCP to provide for its people was shown to everyone. Of course, Chinese netizens are pointing out how insane it is that the PLA is showing up after the fact to silence people, but areas under severe flooding right now are getting no help at all.

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26 minutes ago, Kurgom said:

 the only thing the government protects is themself and care little about the people.

Pretty typical of authoritarian governments, and occasionally even some democratically-elected governments.

 

I hope it's a catalyst for change, but I'm not that hopeful it'll cause the ouster of the ccp.  The pla is still their loyal military, and if Tiananmen is an example, it's that if you have pla members who get cozy with the locals, they'll bring in the pla from other parts of the country to do the necessary dirty work to "restore order" (ie. prevent their brand being damaged any further by any means possible, including killing the people they should be protecting).

 

After all, it's much easier to silence dissent by pushing the dissenters to their death instead of trying to address their concerns like a responsible government should.

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2 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

After all, it's much easier to silence dissent by pushing the dissenters to their death instead of trying to address their concerns like a responsible government should.

I agree, but Tiananmen 2.0 is something the CCP can't afford right now especially with camera phones, no downplaying what you do to young men and women in the modern day.

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1 minute ago, Kurgom said:

I agree, but Tiananmen 2.0 is something the CCP can't afford right now especially with camera phones, no downplaying what you do to young men and women in the modern day.

Perhaps, but given that they've been playing in the realm of big data for many years now, I'm sure they're already locking down those videos... I mean... uhh... what videos?  :picard:

 

Considering all messaging apps authorized and available for use in China are heavily monitored and actively censored, even if a video or two gets out into the wild, that's never stopped them from shutting them down within the great firewall, silencing the video sharers (virtually or physically), and refuting any video evidence that happen to be circulating internationally.

 

Just look at what they're doing in HK to get a sense of the slow-mo version of locking things down and changing the narrative.

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12 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Just look at what they're doing in HK to get a sense of the slow-mo version of locking things down and changing the narrative.

One thing here I hope makes a difference compared to HK is the outcry is internal, while HKers were always a separate culture from mainlanders. However the CCP does have unprecedented control over their population and information so nothing happening is the likely outcome.

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2 minutes ago, Kurgom said:

One thing here I hope makes a difference compared to HK is the outcry is internal, while HKers were always a separate culture from mainlanders. However the CCP does have unprecedented control over their population and information so nothing happening is the likely outcome.

I share your sentiment from your first sentence, but your second sentence is also my understanding and (unfortunately) expectation of the outcome.  No argument from me on that, even though I wish the reality in China weren't so.

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In what &^@#ed up universe do we allow inorganic and potentially toxic substances to be given permission to be increased in presence on a foodstuff?  :picard:

 

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Ottawa wants to allow more pesticide residue in wild blueberries

The limits would be higher in Canada than they are in the United States

CBC News · Posted: Jul 28, 2021 5:00 PM AT | Last Updated: July 28
 
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The federal government is considering an increase on pesticide residue in blueberries that Canadian producers say they didn't ask for and don't want. (Chantale Desbiens/Radio-Canada)
 

Health Canada is proposing to allow three times the current limit for residue of an insecticide and a fungicide in wild blueberries sold to Canadian consumers.

 

It's also proposing a seven-fold increase for a fungicide in raspberries.

 

Two public consultations are underway, one of which ended Tuesday. The other is ongoing until September 28.

 

Federal officials say there is no health risk.

 

Lac-Saint-Jean, Que., blueberry farmer and president of the Quebec association of blueberry producers Daniel Gobeil said he was astonished to hear about the proposals.

 

Producers never asked Health Canada for the increases, he said.

 

 
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Quebec blueberry farmer Daniel Gobeil says more pesticides are the opposite of what most producers in the province want. (Radio-Canada)

 

"On the contrary," said Gobeil, in a French-language interview with Radio-Canada. "Our members are increasingly going organic."

 

Donald Arseneault, executive director of NB Blueberries, said New Brunswick producers did not make the request either.

 

Arsenault also said most New Brunswick producers sell their berries to Oxford Frozen Foods, which provides producers with a list of acceptable pesticides and herbicides. He said neither of these chemicals are on that list.

 

Documents on the Health Canada website indicate the federal Pest Management Regulatory Agency has proposed increasing the residue limit for the fungicide metalaxyl in blueberries from three parts per million to 10 parts per million.

 

For the insecticide sulfoxaflor, it has proposed increasing the limit from 0.7 ppm to 2 ppm.

 

For raspberries, the metalaxyl limit would increase from 0.2 ppm to 1.5 ppm.

 

 
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The limit for the fungicide metalaxyl in raspberries would increase more than seven fold. (Tina Lovgreen/Radio-Canada)

 

The president of the Quebec Association of Strawberry and Raspberry Producers, David Lemire, was also unaware of the proposed change. 

 

"This is really not a request from Quebec," he said.

 

"To me, this is incomprehensible."

 

"We have no interest in increasing that limit," said Lemire, "because it could allow products that don't meet the current standards to enter the local market."

 

 
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David Lemire of the Quebec Association of Strawberry and Raspberry Producers says he thinks pesticide manufacturers probably asked for the increase. (Radio-Canada)

 

During a recent consultation on glyphosate, changes were said to be necessary because of import and sales requirements. 

 

But documents for the current consultations do not specify a reason for these proposed changes.

 

The documents don't name the applicants, either.

 

In the case of glyphosate, the applicant was Bayer, the manufacturer of the herbicide Roundup.

Health Canada did not answer Radio-Canada's questions about the current applicants.

 

But a group representing pesticide manufacturers, CropLife, recently acknowledged product registrants ask for reviews of residue limits on a regular basis.

 

 
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Metalaxyl is a fungicide sprayed on raspberry and blueberry crops to prevent root rot and sulfoxaflor is an insecticide used to kill aphids, but it's also toxic to bees. (Radio-Canada)

 

The American company which markets sulfoxaflor, Corteva Agriscience, said it did not request the increase for blueberries now being considered.

 

"It's a bizarre situation," said Louise Vandelac, a professor and pesticide specialist at Université du Québec à Montréal's Institute of Environmental Sciences.

 

"There's a complete lack of transparency," she said.

 

"It's a vicious circle," said Vandelac, "when industry data is used to evaluate industry requests."

 

 
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Louise Vandelac, environmental science professor and pesticide expert, says there's a lack of transparency in the process. (Radio-Canada)

 

The applicant provided data that doesn't specify how or where field tests were done.

 

It said the highest average metalaxyl residue found in raspberries was 0.686 ppm. 

 

Ottawa is proposing a limit that's more than twice that rate. 

 

Health Canada's document says the "risks" of that are "acceptable to human health and the environment."

 

Metalaxyl is a fungicide that helps control root rot. It is marketed under the Orondis-Gold brand by the Swiss multinational Syngenta.

 

 
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It is a systemic pesticide, which is absorbed by the leaves, stems and roots.

 

"The product circulates inside a plant," explained Louise Hénault-Ethier, research associate at Quebec's National Institute for Scientific Research and director of the Water Earth Environment Research Centre.

 

"The flesh of the whole fruit may possibly contain the pesticide, if we are talking about a systemic product," she said.

 

Sulfoxaflor is an insecticide that helps control aphids and bedbugs. It is marketed under the Closer brand by the American multinational Corteva.

 

 
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(Radio-Canada)

 

According to the Quebec pesticide database, sulfoxaflor is "toxic to bees." In addition, "neurodevelopmental effects" were observed in laboratory rats. It's not known whether those effects would also apply to humans.

 

Canadians consume an average of 1.1 kg of blueberries per year and 1.43 kg through processed products, according to Statistics Canada.

 

In its assessment, the Pest Management Regulatory Agency takes into account the average food consumption, but Henault-Éthier and Vandelac question this approach. 

 

They are worried about the diet of certain Indigenous populations and residents of Lac-Saint-Jean, who eat more wild blueberries.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blueberry-pesticide-residue-increase-1.6120711

 

The producers don't want it.  Pretty sure the consumers don't want it.  Oh wait, the pesticide industry wants it?  So therefore the government should bend over and make a big gaping hole that even the goatse.cx man would feel jealous about?  :picard:

 

I really can't help but question the competence of the people at Health Canada, from the minister all the way down.  You &^@#ed up the preparations for the pandemic.  You &^@#ed up the response to the pandemic.  Now you're willing to poison your people - and in particular, that segment of the population you promised to seek reconciliation with.

 

Health Canada, and all its subsidiary agencies, including PHAC, should be shut down and the whole &^@#ing lot of them fired.

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1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

In what &^@#ed up universe do we allow inorganic and potentially toxic substances to be given permission to be increased in presence on a foodstuff?  :picard:

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/blueberry-pesticide-residue-increase-1.6120711

 

The producers don't want it.  Pretty sure the consumers don't want it.  Oh wait, the pesticide industry wants it?  So therefore the government should bend over and make a big gaping hole that even the goatse.cx man would feel jealous about?  :picard:

 

I really can't help but question the competence of the people at Health Canada, from the minister all the way down.  You &^@#ed up the preparations for the pandemic.  You &^@#ed up the response to the pandemic.  Now you're willing to poison your people - and in particular, that segment of the population you promised to seek reconciliation with.

 

Health Canada, and all its subsidiary agencies, including PHAC, should be shut down and the whole &^@#ing lot of them fired.

As I and others have pointed out, government s are just middle management for the corporation's that really run our societies and this is just more evidence of this fact.

 

 

 

 

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Poor fellow didn't need psychiatric drugs but had them forced on him while he was incorrectly incarcerated - now, after all that, I wouldn't be surprised if he needs psychiatric drugs just to forget what happened to him.

 

And I would never trust a policeman or person of authority ever again if I were in his shoes.

 

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He was locked up and drugged in hospital for 2 years. Police got the wrong guy

Supporters of Joshua Spriestersbach say he was wrongly arrested, drugged and committed to a mental hospital

The Associated Press · Posted: Aug 04, 2021 5:26 PM ET | Last Updated: 27 minutes ago
 
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Joshua Spriestersbach, seen here in March 2020, in Danby, Vt., was wrongfully arrested and detained for someone else's crime, says the Hawaii Innocence Project. (Vedanta Griffith/The Associated Press)

Hawaii officials wrongly arrested a homeless man for a crime committed by someone else, locked him up in a state hospital for more than two years, forced him to take psychiatric drugs and then tried to cover up the mistake by quietly setting him free with just 50 cents to his name, the Hawaii Innocence Project said in a court document asking a judge to set the record straight.

 

A petition filed in court Monday night asks a judge to vacate the arrest and correct Joshua Spriestersbach's records. The filing lays out his bizarre plight that started with him falling asleep on a sidewalk. He was homeless and hungry while waiting in a long line for food outside a Honolulu shelter on a hot day in 2017.

 

When a police officer roused him awake, he thought he was being arrested for the city's ban on sitting or laying down on public sidewalks.

 

But what he didn't realize was that the officer mistook him for a man named Thomas Castleberry, who had a warrant out for his arrest for violating probation in a 2006 drug case.

 

It's unclear how this happened as Spriestersbach and Castleberry had never met. Spriestersbach somehow ended up with Castleberry as his alias, even though Spriestersbach never claimed to be Castleberry, according to the Hawaii Innocence Project.

 

Spriestersbach's attorneys argue it all could have been cleared up if police simply compared the two men's photographs and fingerprints.

 

Instead, against Spriestersbach's protests that he wasn't Castleberry, he was eventually committed to the Hawaii State Hospital.

'No one believed him'

"Yet, the more Mr. Spriestersbach vocalized his innocence by asserting that he is not Mr. Castleberry, the more he was declared delusional and psychotic by the H.S.H. staff and doctors and heavily medicated," the petition said.

 

"It was understandable that Mr. Spriestersbach was in an agitated state when he was being wrongfully incarcerated for Mr. Castleberry's crime and despite his continual denial of being Mr. Castleberry and providing all of his relevant identification and places where he was located during Mr. Castleberry's court appearances, no one would believe him or take any meaningful steps to verify his identity and determine that what Mr. Spriestersbach was telling the truth — he was not Mr. Castleberry."

 

No one believed him — not even his various public defenders — until a hospital psychiatrist finally listened. 

 

All it took were simple Google searches and a few phone calls to verify that Spriestersbach was on another island when Castleberry was initially arrested, according to the court document.

 

The psychiatrist asked a detective to come to the hospital, who verified fingerprints and photographs to determine the wrong man had been arrested and Spriestersbach spent two years and eight months institutionalized, the petition said, noting that it wasn't hard to determine the the real Castleberry has been incarcerated in an Alaska prison since 2016.

 

According to records, a 49-year-old man named Thomas R. Castleberry is in the Spring Creek Correctional Facility in Seward, Alaska. His relatives couldn't be reached for comment. The Alaska public defender listed for him declined to comment Tuesday.

Ineffective counsel

The Hawaii Innocence Project document also claims Spriestersbach had ineffective counsel: the Hawaii public defender's office. 

 

Police, the state public defender's office, the state attorney general and the hospital "share in the blame for this gross miscarriage of justice," the petition said.

 

Hawaii Public Defender James Tabe, Gary Yamashiroya, special assistant to the attorney general and Matt Dvonch, a spokesperson for the Honolulu prosecuting attorney's office, declined to comment Tuesday.

 

Once the fingerprints and photographs were verified, officials moved quickly, but secretly, to release Spriestersbach in January 2020, the petition said.

 

"A secret meeting was held with all of the parties, except Mr. Spriestersbach, present. There is no court record of this meeting or no public court record of this meeting. No entry or order reflects this miscarriage of justice that occurred or a finding that Mr. Spriestersbach is not Thomas Castleberry," the court document said. 

 

His lawyers said officials didn't think anyone would believe Spriestersbach or no one would care about the homeless man who fell asleep waiting for food, only to wake up to a living nightmare.

 

Spriestersbach, 50, who lives with his sister in Vermont, declined to comment for this story. 

 

His sister, Vedanta Griffith, spent nearly 16 years looking for him. He moved to Hawaii with Griffith when her husband was stationed on Oahu with the U.S. army in 2003. He moved to the Big Island and then disappeared, while suffering mental health issues, she said. 

 

"Part of what they used against him was his own argument: 'I'm not Thomas Castleberry. I didn't commit these crimes. ... This isn't me,'" she told The Associated Press. "So they used that as saying he was delusional, as justification for keeping him." 

 

After his release, he ended up at a homeless shelter, which contacted his family. 

 

"And then when light is shown on it, what do they do? They don't even put it on the record. They don't make it part of the case," Griffith said. "And then they don't come to him and say, 'We are so sorry' or, how about even 'Gee, this wasn't you. You were right all along."'

 

Spriestersbach now refuses to leave his sister's 10-acre property.

 

"He's so afraid that they're going to take him again," Griffith said.

 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hawaii-mistaken-identity-1.6129737

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49 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Poor fellow didn't need psychiatric drugs but had them forced on him while he was incorrectly incarcerated - now, after all that, I wouldn't be surprised if he needs psychiatric drugs just to forget what happened to him.

 

And I would never trust a policeman or person of authority ever again if I were in his shoes.

 

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https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hawaii-mistaken-identity-1.6129737

Too F in lazy to run a simple set of fingerprints. That constable should be immediately fired; and then face charges of kidnapping.

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56 minutes ago, gurn said:

Too F in lazy to run a simple set of fingerprints. That constable should be immediately fired; and then face charges of kidnapping.

Yeah, you'd figure that'd be standard operating procedure for booking someone.  :wacko:

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On 8/2/2021 at 4:58 PM, bishopshodan said:

Maybe it's because I'm a Brit immigrant that moved to the greatest place on earth...B.C... when I read this... 

 

How. Dare. You.

Should British Columbia change its name? As we reckon with history, some say it's time

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-name-change-1.6126983

Well the British Empire is pretty reprehensible but just no.....  are the 'some' the hippies at that logging protest?  

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12 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

Well the British Empire is pretty reprehensible but just no.....  are the 'some' the hippies at that logging protest?  

Fairy Creek?

I work with my ex-logger nephew, he just loooovvves talking about those dudes.

 

 The British empire is awesome....and pretty reprehensible. That little island really kicked some ass, bunch of hooligans.

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1 minute ago, bishopshodan said:

Fairy Creek?

I work with my ex-logger nephew, he just loooovvves talking about those dudes.

 

 The British empire is awesome....and pretty reprehensible. That little island really kicked some ass, bunch of hooligans.

Oh for a tiny nation they kicked ass for a long time even with inbred royalty of dubious English heritage. Still it is a pretty repugnant history but they're far from unique in that.

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1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

Fairy Creek?

I work with my ex-logger nephew, he just loooovvves talking about those dudes.

 

 The British empire is awesome....and pretty reprehensible. That little island really kicked some ass, bunch of hooligans.

Kicked some ass and committed "some" genocide and gave South Asia a migrant crisis, large scale violence and unrest that westerners would have trouble comprehending as a baby shower for their independent nations that were set up to antagonize each other from the start. Don't tell me Britian didn't know making a theocratic Islamic state and bending for the extremists wasn't going to end up like this.

 

Renaming things is pointless but &^@# anyone praising the crown or the empire, Canada should be rid of those things.

 

They are far from unique in their treatment of "lesser races" as they thought at the time, but England was able to do the most widespread damage across multiple continents and their queen wears jewels plundered from lands they colonized. A disgusting state of affairs.

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2 minutes ago, Kurgom said:

Kicked some ass and committed "some" genocide and gave South Asia a migrant crisis, large scale violence and unrest that westerners would have trouble comprehending as a baby shower for their independent nations that were set up to antagonize each other from the start. Don't tell me Britian didn't know making a theocratic Islamic state and bending for the extremists wasn't going to end up like this.

 

Renaming things is pointless but &^@# anyone praising the crown or the empire, Canada should be rid of those things.

...pretty reprehensible.

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On 8/2/2021 at 4:58 PM, bishopshodan said:

Maybe it's because I'm a Brit immigrant that moved to the greatest place on earth...B.C... when I read this... 

 

How. Dare. You.

Should British Columbia change its name? As we reckon with history, some say it's time

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-name-change-1.6126983

I always just say/write BC... just keep the initials the same, so we don't have to adjust. I will lob a name suggestion though: 'Bud Country'. It's kinda what we're known for...

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1 hour ago, Chickenspear said:

I always just say/write BC... just keep the initials the same, so we don't have to adjust. I will lob a name suggestion though: 'Bud Country'. It's kinda what we're known for...

Or you could also use "Born Canuck"  :towel:

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Almost every empire at some point did some reprehensible stuff. There's not a single nation that are and were saints throughout their history.

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