King Heffy Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Russians have been doing this kind of thing for decades. The only reason Western leaders care about Ukraine is the proximity to the EU. Sanctions aren't going to mean jack unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: You keep being you, champ. The rest of us won't have to put up with your tripe for much longer.... Big time respect for your ability to stay calm and polite. Used to have to eat real tripe when I was a kid Uuuughh Edited January 22, 2022 by Ilunga 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 6 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said: You keep being you, champ. The rest of us won't have to put up with your tripe for much longer.... So what I gather from his drivel is that if Canada hadn't elected Trudeau, we'd be in a position to stop Russia using military force? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted January 22, 2022 Author Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, King Heffy said: So what I gather from his drivel is that if Canada hadn't elected Trudeau, we'd be in a position to stop Russia using military force? Or something.... Personally, I think it's just a weak excuse for a juvenile anti-Trudeau rant.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 18 minutes ago, Canuck Luck said: No...a number of canadian governments in the past 70 years have continued to weaken this country. You should read some books and you would know that. We had one of the world's largest Navies at the end of WW2. Now we buy used old rusted subs from other countries that literally have killed our own soldiers. It is a sad state. An even sadder state that elder turdeau and now his communist idiot son & drama teacher turdeau have been elected as our "leader" with only 30% of the vote of those that actually show up. This has lead to an incredibly weak country and society. This is actually the leader and Prime Minister of what is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries on the planet. Let that sink in. He is an embarrassment. This planet is in trouble when mankind lets this type lead. I can understand why real intelligent people with ethics don't get involved in politics as it has become a cesspool of corruption. Anyone that thinks otherwise has no experience and understanding of how it works. I hope real Canadians wake up but I don't hold up much hope. Things have been going downhill for some time. Look at the usa, we are witnessing the failure of both capitalism and democracy. Apparantly we're all racists for trying to explain this, but: He was elected because the other options were even worse; if you think Trudeau is a communist, you'd love the NDP. I agree we should be investing more in developing military technology here, but it was the Cons who decided to scrap projects such as the Avro Arrow. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 10 hours ago, CBH1926 said: Those two regions are de facto Russian, war with Ukraine would involve the entire country, not just those two regions. Why not? This whole changing of the borders would open up Pandora’s box across the globe. Russian history in the Ukraine has cost millions of lives. No mystery that there were many Ukrainians in the Russian units that served under the German Army in WW2. As the Red Army advanced towards Germany in 1945 Ukrainians tried to cross into Allied occupied Austria. Cannot remember the name of the bridge but Ukrainians we’re throwing their kids over the side and jumping to their deaths rather than surrender to the Red Army. Those that did were marched away and shot. Some of this was religious based as Greek Orthodox had survived many years of Communism. People don’t forget such things. Many Ukrainians still hate the Russians. Unfortunately we will likely see how much Ukrainians love their freedom. They certainly cannot count on ‘freedom loving Westerners,’ to come to their aid. Can anyone really doubt that Putin wouldn’t back down if NATO massed troops along their eastern boundaries? People like Biden and Trudeau have been light weights their entire lives and Putin knows that. The excuse of native Russians living in Ukraine means what? Another excuse to inaction. The Russians moved those people there just as the6 did the Baltic states. Let Latvia’s go, why not? Lots of Russians there. Check opinions of people who used to live under the Russians; Poles, Slovaks, East Germans, Czechs, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Romanians etc. Nope, no big push to rejoin the Russians. Amazing how quickly westerners are willing to rationalize any abandonment of freedom loving people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bishopshodan Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 The Parrot came by didn't he? That would be classic and appropriate 'Canuck Luck' for a certain offside poster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 13 hours ago, Ilunga said: I know you are a history buff like myself, found this last year when researching changing borders within Europe. Takes a bit of time to watch the video but well worth it. Note how the Romans were almost unstoppable until they faced us Picts https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2400-years-of-european-history/ Certainly not advocating Russian interventionism in the Ukraine however that state as an entity has only existed since the break up of the Soviet Bloc. What I do know is that " agreements" made by third parties, ie: the Sykes - Picot agreement set borders that do not take into account actual tribal and ethnic configurations. Speaking of Picts, my wife is mainly of Irish, Scottish and English background. Years ago we were watching a movie about disappearance of the 9th Spanish legion north of Hadrian’s wall. It featured Picts, I gleefully pointed out that she should be happy that her family decided to immigrate to Canada. If they stayed in Scotland and Ireland, you would be still living like this, I think she threw something at me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBH1926 Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Boudrias said: Russian history in the Ukraine has cost millions of lives. No mystery that there were many Ukrainians in the Russian units that served under the German Army in WW2. As the Red Army advanced towards Germany in 1945 Ukrainians tried to cross into Allied occupied Austria. Cannot remember the name of the bridge but Ukrainians we’re throwing their kids over the side and jumping to their deaths rather than surrender to the Red Army. Those that did were marched away and shot. Some of this was religious based as Greek Orthodox had survived many years of Communism. People don’t forget such things. Many Ukrainians still hate the Russians. Unfortunately we will likely see how much Ukrainians love their freedom. They certainly cannot count on ‘freedom loving Westerners,’ to come to their aid. Can anyone really doubt that Putin wouldn’t back down if NATO massed troops along their eastern boundaries? People like Biden and Trudeau have been light weights their entire lives and Putin knows that. The excuse of native Russians living in Ukraine means what? Another excuse to inaction. The Russians moved those people there just as the6 did the Baltic states. Let Latvia’s go, why not? Lots of Russians there. Check opinions of people who used to live under the Russians; Poles, Slovaks, East Germans, Czechs, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Romanians etc. Nope, no big push to rejoin the Russians. Amazing how quickly westerners are willing to rationalize any abandonment of freedom loving people. I mentioned a story when Red Army arrived in Serbia back in 1945. A portion of 800k Yugoslav partisan army had to be mobilized to stop them from raping and pillaging. This is how they treated their allies, you can imagine what they did to the enemies. Russians have given huge contribution to the defeat of Germany indeed. Granted lot of those that died could have been saved, if Stalin didn’t used people as canon fodder. One detail of the history has always bothered me. Russians have accused Ukrainians of being fascist collaborators under Bandera. They have also accused Slovaks, Poles, Bulgarians, Lithuanians, Estonians, Romanians, Hungarians etc. of being on Hitlers side. While some of this is historically accurate, let’s not forget that Stalin jumped at the chance to make a deal with Hitler. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 My Polish grandfather who fought with the Germans in WW1 (conscription) before moving to Canada to escape the Nazis always used to say the Germans treated Poles better by far than the Russians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 A now deceased chess playing buddy flew an ME 109e at the end of WW2. He was shot down over Russia, when he was 14 yrs old. People would ask if the Russians taught him how to play chess. He'd go silent for a couple of seconds and then reply " The Russians taught me how to survive, but they were not trying to". 14 years old, spent 3 years in Russian "prison/camps" 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/24/2022 at 6:40 PM, gurn said: A now deceased chess playing buddy flew an ME 109e at the end of WW2. He was shot down over Russia, when he was 14 yrs old. People would ask if the Russians taught him how to play chess. He'd go silent for a couple of seconds and then reply " The Russians taught me how to survive, but they were not trying to". 14 years old, spent 3 years in Russian "prison/camps" Buddy of mine back in high school. His father was in the Polish army in 1940 when they were over ran by the Russians who had done a deal with the Germans. The Russians shipped him to Siberia where he was in a work camp until the war ended. The bizarre aspect of this story was that he walked out of the Russian work camp and then walked all the way across Russia back to Poland. Stan’s Dad was about 5 feet tall but built like a fire hydrant. He hardly ever talked but his eyes never stopped moving. He always insisted that every crumb of food was eaten. He hated Russians. Being Canadian meant everything to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 the current conflict between Russia and the Ukraine reminds me about a meeting with a handful russian men in a typical bavarian restaurant in Munich. Must be 10 years or even more years ago. I went there to watch the final of the hockey world championship Canada vs. Russia. This day the russians had no business in winning. One of the russians who appear to be businessmen on a business-trip celebrated his birthday and was so kind to invite me for several beer. Nice gesture. Don't know how but in the end we spoke about the Ukraine and I was very surprised when one of them told me that the Ukraine is their country, even if the Ukraine had been independent from Russia for several years. That really was an eye opener for me how the Russians think of the Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 4:56 AM, drummer4now said: This all misinformation… They only want the Russian speaking Eastern half of Ukraine like Donbas and Donetsk.. They would never be able to reach Kiev. I personally support the right of Russia to take those regions as they are ethically Russian speaking and in a overwhelming majority of joining Russia. They have already declared independence from Ukraine and wish to cede with Russia. I do not agree with this statement because the latest news is that russia has positioned thousands of soldiers in Belarus close to the Ukraine border. This is nothing more than a strategic move from Putin to capture Kiew. What about relocating all the native Russians from the Donbas and Donetsk region to russia? Would be the best thing for all involved parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: the current conflict between Russia and the Ukraine reminds me about a meeting with a handful russian men in a typical bavarian restaurant in Munich. Must be 10 years or even more years ago. I went there to watch the final of the hockey world championship Canada vs. Russia. This day the russians had no business in winning. One of the russians who appear to be businessmen on a business-trip celebrated his birthday and was so kind to invite me for several beer. Nice gesture. Don't know how but in the end we spoke about the Ukraine and I was very surprised when one of them told me that the Ukraine is their country, even if the Ukraine had been independent from Russia for several years. That really was an eye opener for me how the Russians think of the Ukraine. I was in Moscow in '74 for the WHA-Russia series. Ended up in a bar one night drinking beers with a few Canadians and 3 Russian cossacks. They were in Moscow at a tech college learning how to butcher and handle meat. One spoke broken English and he interpreted to the other 2. Curious about hockey and curious about Canada. Nice guys. What stuck with me was how much they loved their country. That was a big thing to me because plain clothes police were every where and made no bones about grabbing Russians who got to close to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Durst Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 4:56 AM, drummer4now said: This all misinformation… They only want the Russian speaking Eastern half of Ukraine like Donbas and Donetsk.. They would never be able to reach Kiev. I personally support the right of Russia to take those regions as they are ethically Russian speaking and in a overwhelming majority of joining Russia. They have already declared independence from Ukraine and wish to cede with Russia. Take a look at the newly arrived russian units in Belarus, distance between the Belarus/Ukraine border and Kiev isn't that far, could be reached by russian troops easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Take a look at the newly arrived russian units in Belarus, distance between the Belarus/Ukraine border and Kiev isn't that far, could be reached by russian troops easily. Very hard country to defend. Frozen ground easy to run equipment across. Ukraine has +/- 2500 tanks. 44 million versus 140 million. How combat ready are the two armies? Do the Ukranians blow up the 2 Russian pipelines running thru their country if fighting starts. If the gas goes out in Europe they might be more concerned. Does any Russian allies join them to invade? Will there be gorilla warfare if Kyiv is over ran? Must have been planned for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Boudrias said: Very hard country to defend. Frozen ground easy to run equipment across. Ukraine has +/- 2500 tanks. 44 million versus 140 million. How combat ready are the two armies? Do the Ukranians blow up the 2 Russian pipelines running thru their country if fighting starts. If the gas goes out in Europe they might be more concerned. Does any Russian allies join them to invade? Will there be gorilla warfare if Kyiv is over ran? Must have been planned for. Russias build up has taken months. People keep forgetting that Russia is essentially relegated to moving everything along one major rail route. Ukraine has plenty of AA support on the ground and enough smart missiles to take out that rail line in numerous areas. Weather the first wave and you knock out much of Russias ability to move arms in short order 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Wolfgang Durst said: I do not agree with this statement because the latest news is that russia has positioned thousands of soldiers in Belarus close to the Ukraine border. This is nothing more than a strategic move from Putin to capture Kiew. What about relocating all the native Russians from the Donbas and Donetsk region to russia? Would be the best thing for all involved parties. Your last statement is ludicrous… we all know from history how well forcibly moving people from their traditional lands/territory works there is nothing but bloodshed and violence… Also these two regions have already defacto declared independence from Ukraine so it is only a matter of time till they are absorbed by Russia or become proxy states. 1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said: Take a look at the newly arrived russian units in Belarus, distance between the Belarus/Ukraine border and Kiev isn't that far, could be reached by russian troops easily. Russia and Belarus are union countries they have military agreements to protect each other… This mostly an attempt to scare Ukraine into giving up so Russia can absorb the two Russian speaking Far East territories… Russia invading Kiev is nothing but fear mongering and suicidal. Edited January 26, 2022 by drummer4now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) On 1/21/2022 at 10:20 PM, Ilunga said: I know you are a history buff like myself, found this last year when researching changing borders within Europe. Takes a bit of time to watch the video but well worth it. Note how the Romans were almost unstoppable until they faced us Picts https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2400-years-of-european-history/ Certainly not advocating Russian interventionism in the Ukraine however that state as an entity has only existed since the break up of the Soviet Bloc. What I do know is that " agreements" made by third parties, ie: the Sykes - Picot agreement set borders that do not take into account actual tribal and ethnic configurations. On 1/22/2022 at 11:55 AM, CBH1926 said: Speaking of Picts, my wife is mainly of Irish, Scottish and English background. Years ago we were watching a movie about disappearance of the 9th Spanish legion north of Hadrian’s wall. It featured Picts, I gleefully pointed out that she should be happy that her family decided to immigrate to Canada. If they stayed in Scotland and Ireland, you would be still living like this, I think she threw something at me. Edited January 27, 2022 by Playoff Beered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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