babalu Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Gagner & Del Zotto (retained if needed) To Anywhere 2nd round pick Clears a couple roster spots and opens up a spot for Juolevi Addition by subtraction! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Pretty good trade. Too bad Benning wont do it, he thinks that we need veteran presence; pretty evident with all the signings he does each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Only if it were that easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 plus retain 50 % Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said: plus retain 50 % Can't see why it would hurt to retain on one or both if it would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, babalu said: Can't see why it would hurt to retain on one or both if it would help. 2nds are gold to JB with what he can find Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 biggest point is, someone has to want them. they certainly are not world beaters. they might end up in utica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, smithers joe said: biggest point is, someone has to want them. they certainly are not world beaters. they might end up in utica. Chicago reportedly had interest in both. Would likely have to retain or take salary back as Chicago has very little cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedinyoureyesontheprize Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 49 minutes ago, babalu said: Chicago reportedly had interest in both. Would likely have to retain or take salary back as Chicago has very little cap space. If we can get a second for two free assets signed for nothing but cash i would be content. better than losing Gaunce, Leipsic and other youngsters that still have a chance to round out into Nhlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, babalu said: Chicago reportedly had interest in both. Would likely have to retain or take salary back as Chicago has very little cap space. If the Hawks did have any interest in Gagner, I'm quite sure it wasn't for a 2nd round pick. Plus, that interest probably subsided after they filled the role of "short, useless veteran" on the roster by signing Jordan Schroeder. The Hawks have over 5 million in cap space after moving Hossa and that's with 22 on the roster. For the first time in a while, the Hawks actually have room to wiggle. But Bowman said at the Hawks Convention this weekend to not expect any more moves. (Also, Crawford is still not ready...yikes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Gagme waivers - utica or buy out mdz for w.h.y. both are have little to no trade value. Jimmy wont move them anyways he believes they are “foundational”. I fully expect to see both of them taking up roster space for this up coming season which is fine they’ll both help get jimmy canned next March and with our odds of getting another top 5 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ryan Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Sounds good, if there were any takers. At this point, I'd take a 4th for either one of them. MDZ I could see making the team, but Gagner will likely be a waiver loss. Someone will snag him for free; his salary isn't that bad (yes, he is overpaid, but there are a lot worse out there). It didn't cost us anything to get either one of them, except a year of overpayment; expecting a decent return after last year is a little much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babalu Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 20 minutes ago, Father Ryan said: Sounds good, if there were any takers. At this point, I'd take a 4th for either one of them. MDZ I could see making the team, but Gagner will likely be a waiver loss. Someone will snag him for free; his salary isn't that bad (yes, he is overpaid, but there are a lot worse out there). It didn't cost us anything to get either one of them, except a year of overpayment; expecting a decent return after last year is a little much. The proposal isn't so much about the return as about clearing some roster space. I do think they are both movable, especially if they retain salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 12 minutes ago, babalu said: The proposal isn't so much about the return as about clearing some roster space. I do think they are both movable, especially if they retain salary. We already have retained salary for Luongo so if you retain salary for Gagne and Del Zotto we will be at max and handcuffed at the next trade deadline. Gagner has cleared waivers in the league before and, if he is unable to make the roster this year, you need to waive him for Utica and save the retained salary spot for when you really need it. The time to trade MDZ will be at the trade deadline and, if necessary, retain salary at that time as his contract expires at the end of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beagle had landed Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 7 hours ago, babalu said: Gagner & Del Zotto (retained if needed) To Anywhere 2nd round pick Clears a couple roster spots and opens up a spot for Juolevi Addition by subtraction! I would be happy if we could get a 4th rounder for each. The two of them combined will not get us a 2nd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 7 hours ago, babalu said: Can't see why it would hurt to retain on one or both if it would help. Teams can only retain on 3 contracts at a time. With the Luongo retention still going, it would be wise to save our retention slots for a more meaningful trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 3 hours ago, combover said: Gagme waivers - utica or buy out mdz for w.h.y. both are have little to no trade value. Jimmy wont move them anyways he believes they are “foundational”. I fully expect to see both of them taking up roster space for this up coming season which is fine they’ll both help get jimmy canned next March and with our odds of getting another top 5 pick. That's a great way to show free agents how appealing Vancouver is to play. Just buyout everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Baer. said: Teams can only retain on 3 contracts at a time. With the Luongo retention still going, it would be wise to save our retention slots for a more meaningful trade. I didn't know that, very good rule as it prevents teams from retaining several contracts.. The NYR example were very bad for signing free agents to big salaries in the past.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 9 hours ago, babalu said: Gagner & Del Zotto (retained if needed) To Anywhere 2nd round pick Clears a couple roster spots and opens up a spot for Juolevi Addition by subtraction! There we go, trying to get rid of depth again, before anyone has even earned a spot in camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Here’s a weird thought, what if we have a really competitive camp, and then get rid of / waive, trade and assign, players who aren’t ready to make the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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