Nuxfanabroad Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, logic said: United people are harder to control, especially a nation with 50% of the worlds guns Yeah, the 'divide & conquer' approach can create a lot of bad blood. Also keep saying a population "is free & exceptional" while hoovering up every scrap of info. Criminalize whistleblowing, when it doesn't fit the elite's plan, as well. This is all bread & circuses as Rome burns. Not viable, or sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NHL'er Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 6 minutes ago, logic said: United people are harder to control, especially a nation with 50% of the worlds guns 4 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: Still so bloody relevant today isn't it. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 A big issue is that the far left has bundled a bunch of issues together (many of which aren't even related to left wing thought), and then they attack anyone who doesn't agree with the entire bundle as their enemies. Basically, they've become exactly like the right, and people are getting pulled more and more to each side. Politicians are forced to pander to these groups as they are incessantly vocal and constantly exploit the internet to shame people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, logic said: United people are harder to control, especially a nation with 50% of the worlds guns You're a big fan of militias, I take it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, PhillipBlunt said: You're a big fan of militias, I take it? Against Tyranny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, logic said: If he's so racist why is black unemployment its lowest since 1972, hispanic tied for its lowest ever? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/black-and-hispanic-unemployment-in-america-reach-record-lows Woman unemployment lowest in 18 years https://www.concordmonitor.com/Kanye-West-and-Trump-17129316 First president to openly come into office supporting gay marriage. If he is so sexist and racist wouldn't he be making it harder for these people to get jobs Things like this happen over time...it's not like he jumped in and fixed things. But don't get in the way of him taking credit for them though. Funny how negative situations are Obama's fault but everything positive that's taking place was Trump's doing. Also, unemployment numbers are often volatile, particularly the black unemployment rate, which hit a low of 6.8 percent in December only to go up a full point a month later. So to extract a number doesn't mean, "aha, fixed this". He aligns himself for photo ops...so what? Using people to make his point. Those s*hole countries though.... Not interested in talking further about him...there's a thread that I mostly stay out of. I get hives when I go in there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 #2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 13 minutes ago, logic said: If he's so racist why is black unemployment its lowest since 1972, hispanic tied for its lowest ever? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/black-and-hispanic-unemployment-in-america-reach-record-lows Woman unemployment lowest in 18 years https://www.concordmonitor.com/Kanye-West-and-Trump-17129316 First president to openly come into office supporting gay marriage. If he is so sexist and racist wouldn't he be making it harder for these people to get jobs Economic indicators are great indicators of economic progress, not of social progress. If economic progress comes at the price of social cohesion, you might have to reconsider whether it's worth it in the first place. Having said all of that, I do think people on the left are a bit too jerkish towards Donald Trump. Putting America first inevitable means putting the rest of the World second and that instantly makes the world dislike you. But man, we better equally watch out for fanaticism. History has shown that when you become obsessed with an ideology (Trump's "Make America Great Again" or Pol Pot or Mao's "Kill the Capitalists"), tragedies such as genocide and infringement of core human rights are considered a necessary means to an end. Which they aren't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 @Rob_Zepp Cheers for starting this thread buddy. Been thinking about this recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, NHL'er said: Economic indicators are great indicators of economic progress, not of social progress. If economic progress comes at the price of social cohesion, you might have to reconsider whether it's worth it in the first place. Having said all of that, I do think people on the left are a bit too jerkish towards Donald Trump. Putting America first inevitable means putting the rest of the World second and that instantly makes the world dislike you. But man, we better equally watch out for fanaticism. History has shown that when you become obsessed with an ideology (Trump's "Make America Great Again" or Pol Pot or Mao's "Kill the Capitalists"), tragedies such as genocide and infringement of core human rights are considered a necessary means to an end. Which they aren't. Agreed but come on, easy on comparing Trump to evil dictators that killed tens of millions. Obama dropped a bomb every 20 minutes his entire 8 years in office with the "Yes You Can" ideology Edited July 30, 2018 by logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Just now, logic said: Agreed but come one, easy on comparing Trump to evil dictators that killed tens of millions. Wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler, Pot or Mao. I'm saying we should be careful of fanaticism. I would equally say the same with regards to Justin Trudeau or Emmanuel Macron if that makes you feel better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gaudette Celly Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) The whole "left-right" thing is manufactured and fallacious. Those described on it are all statists, and simply different flavours of collectivism. The true spectrum goes from big government to no government. Fascists and communists alike are on the same extreme end, not "opposites" of each other as some (collectivists) claim, because they are two sides of the same tyrannical coin. But because there are no truly free nations or even ideologies anymore, the spectrum has been reduced down to levels of statism, because everyone is conditioned to believe they need a powerful governanny to rule and coddle them for their entire lives. Edited July 30, 2018 by Hutton Wink 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logic Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, NHL'er said: Wasn't comparing Trump to Hitler, Pot or Mao. I'm saying we should be careful of fanaticism. I would equally say the same with regards to Justin Trudeau or Emmanuel Macron if that makes you feel better. I think its a very fine balance of being nationalistic while understanding whats good for the world, its hard to do both. We are watching history unfold very interesting times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 minute ago, logic said: We are watching history unfold very interesting times. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, logic said: If he's so racist why is black unemployment its lowest since 1972, hispanic tied for its lowest ever? https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-04/black-and-hispanic-unemployment-in-america-reach-record-lows Woman unemployment lowest in 18 years https://www.concordmonitor.com/Kanye-West-and-Trump-17129316 First president to openly come into office supporting gay marriage. If he is so sexist and racist wouldn't he be making it harder for these people to get jobs I actually think this is what will get Trump re-elected. As long as people are working and happy, they will re-elect him. The issue is going to be how much of this is from Trump and how much is fallout from Obama's policies. If things crash, it'll be on Trump. If things keep going up, it'll be on Trump too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 I really don't understand why it is expected someone is on one side or the other. While our left and right sides in Canada aren't nearly as polarizing as they are in the USA, we still have that same divide going on up here. In the last election I didn't find myself completely siding with either side - despite my mentality normally being skewed left. I agree that having a "middle party" alternative is probably a good idea. I find radical thinking of any sort tends to miss the mark more than it hits it, and can be potentially dangerous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) Warning - nasty language and from Louis CKback when you were allowed to like him Edited July 30, 2018 by nzan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, debluvscanucks said: If you are still confused about that statement, I can give context. In 2012, Venezuela banned private gun ownership. Since then, the crime rate has risen. http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/383968-in-the-wake-of-a-gun-ban-venezuela-sees-rising-homicide-rate Pro-democracy protesters are being executed, and cannot defend themselves. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-44575599 A dictatorship is being born. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/may/21/venezuela-elections-nicolas-maduro-wins-second-term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 1 hour ago, logic said: The extreme right has been created by the radical left, every day I thank god Killary didn't win Look at the massive conservative wave taking place all over the world, people are sick and tired of this PC society BS. Where if you disagree you're labelled a bigot, nazi, racist, islamaphobe ect ect The Only reason the most of the media media is anti Trump is because they're all owned by Liberals/Democrats.. Its okay to be Hollywood pedophile but not to support trump these days lmao Pizzagate, nxvim, 9th circle, there's so much people aren't aware of. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Step away from all media for awhile and see for yourself how people are being programmed to act as puppets for differing agendas out there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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