-DLC- Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 https://www.tsn.ca/roughriders-release-rb-jerome-messam-1.1150458 Quote REGINA — Jerome Messam's second stint with the Saskatchewan Roughriders has come to an abrupt end after the Canadian running back was charged with voyeurism. The Riders announced via Twitter on Monday that the hard-running veteran had been released "after he has been criminally charged following an incident in November 2016." The CFL said in a separate statement that the charge was voyeurism. The league said it will not register a contract for Messam should any team attempt to sign him. Both the Roughriders and CFL said they will not have further comment as the matter is now before the court. Messam was a Calgary Stampeder in 2016 and a Calgary Police spokeswoman said the charge "relates to the alleged video-taping of a consensual sexual encounter with a victim. "It is alleged the video-taping was done without the person's consent." The adult complainant came to police in April 2018 after being told Messam had the alleged tape, which police said had not been posted anywhere. Messam was charged on Sunday, police said. The running back spoke to TSN's Farhan Lalji on Monday. “I hope that very soon I will be found not guilty of this accusation and that I will be able to continue my playing career. I appreciate all of the people that have stood by me and are supporting me right now," said Messam. "To the fans, I hope that you will remember how hard I worked on the field and the difference I tried to make in my community in every city I've played in.” Messam's lawyers are in communication with the CFL and CFLPA. The six-foot-three, 240-pound Messam ran for just 206 yards on 52 carries (3.9-yard average) in six regular-season appearances this season. Messam rejoined the Riders as a free agent this off-season after spending parts of three campaigns with the Stampeders (2015-17). Messam registered consecutive 1,000-yard rushing campaigns (1,198 yards in 2016, 1,016 in 2017) with the Stamps before returning to Saskatchewan. Messam, a 33-year-old from Brampton, Ont., spent the 2014-15 seasons with Saskatchewan before being dealt to Calgary on Oct. 14, 2015. Under the Criminal Code, voyeurism is when someone "surreptitiously, observes — including by mechanical or electronic means — or makes a visual recording of a person who is in circumstances that give rise to a reasonable expectation of privacy." The Criminal Code also covers distributing recordings from such offences. Punishment is up to five years in prison. Too bad. Loved him as a Lion but, if this is true, not so much. A tough one to call...so many opportunists out there who discredit true victims. Time will tell I suppose. Quote The league also announced, in a statement issued Monday, that it will not file a future contract for Messam should any team attempt to sign him: “The Canadian Football League is aware that Jerome Messam has been charged with Voyeurism, a Criminal Code offence. He has been released by the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Commissioner Randy Ambrosie has informed all member clubs that the league will not register a contract for Messam should any team attempt to sign him. We will have no further comment on this matter as it is before the courts.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 maybe that is why he has played for so many teams. so many people with so many problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 So if/when found to be not guilty will the team have to pay, back wages and a little extra for false dismissal? Will the league and team issue an apology? Will the media print the apology in the same place and same size font as the accusation? Personally I doubt it. Innocent till proven guilty used to mean it. Now it's just a few words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Romo Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 He was our back up and fumbled every third carry, doesn’t effect us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 On the human side, I wish contracts were terminated or people fired AFTER they are proven guilty, not after they are accused. I know government and higher end business positions would suspend with pay pending the outcomes, unless there is overwhelming evidence of course...but meh, just too bad. The guys life is ruined true or not, and then if it is true, he has damaged some people in ways we will never know really. Sad all around. and speaking to what gurn said a couple spots above this post....I feel like there is a culture war on men, but I am not a combatant for either side...I know of and agree with 100% equality, between sexes, skin tones, backgrounds, nationalities, orientation and the like...I am all for 100% equal, and I support that, but I just don't like an accusation causing a lot of harm to the accused before it is substantiated no matter what. I have never liked the death penalty, so so many were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt innocent AFTER governments put them to death. It is bad enough that a Canadian spent over 20 years in jail for a murder he didn't commit (*listen to Wheat Kings and Pretty THings by the Tragically Hip) but imagine if our government killed the poor guy before DNA evidence was a thing. So sad all around. Careful who you accuse of what folks....and always rep honesty and kindness. That is my thoughts on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 “Riders GM to plead guilty in connection with sexual assault: sources” https://globalnews.ca/news/957/riders-gm-to-plead-guilty-in-connection-with-sexual-assault-sources/ Tillman is the current GM in Montreal. Is Messam’s situation caused by the sexual relations, the taping of the sex, or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelownaCanucksFan Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, Primal Optimist said: On the human side, I wish contracts were terminated or people fired AFTER they are proven guilty, not after they are accused. I know government and higher end business positions would suspend with pay pending the outcomes, unless there is overwhelming evidence of course...but meh, just too bad. The guys life is ruined true or not, and then if it is true, he has damaged some people in ways we will never know really. Sad all around. and speaking to what gurn said a couple spots above this post....I feel like there is a culture war on men, but I am not a combatant for either side...I know of and agree with 100% equality, between sexes, skin tones, backgrounds, nationalities, orientation and the like...I am all for 100% equal, and I support that, but I just don't like an accusation causing a lot of harm to the accused before it is substantiated no matter what. I have never liked the death penalty, so so many were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt innocent AFTER governments put them to death. It is bad enough that a Canadian spent over 20 years in jail for a murder he didn't commit (*listen to Wheat Kings and Pretty THings by the Tragically Hip) but imagine if our government killed the poor guy before DNA evidence was a thing. So sad all around. Careful who you accuse of what folks....and always rep honesty and kindness. That is my thoughts on this. I somewhat agree with you there, there is definitely a war on men especially from the left. I record everything that goes on in my house, unfortunately in today’s day and age where females will claim rape/sexual assault after a consensual encounter; it’s a must. I’m a single mid-thirties, male business owner and I’m not about to lose all I’ve built because of some false rape/sexual assault claim, it’s already saved my ass once. Unfortunately in today’s world where the courts decisions don’t matter and you can have your life destroyed by the “court of public opinion” even if your innocent of any accusations, you have to take steps to protect yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 If I was a pro athlete, I'd seriously consider recording every single sexual encounter to prove it WAS consensual. That being said, if the allegations are true, still not ok for him to not give a heads-up. I wonder how she found out about the tape if he didn't post it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 SO mostly for laughs, but its related to this...I was going to get a cheap box of business cards made up, and with my luck with the ladies, I would only need one for my entire life, so what is that ten bucks? haha.... And on each card would be a very short release form and a spot for a printed name and signature on the back... LIke a gentleman caller introduction card of yesteryear only to cover my ass this and future years. "I agree to a date (*insert real name) that may include a handshake, hug and possibly a light kiss [] initials box" "Further to the above I consent to heavy petting and making out [] initials box" "Confirming we are engaging in mutually consented sexual activity [] initials box" "I affirm that complete intercourse may occur from this point until end of encounter [] initials box" If nothing else they would make a great gag gift, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 the original poster here....what would you say to a date with such a card involved? offended? bad funny, good funny? don't even go there? I am pretty sure it would be a mood killer in any regard but figured I would enquire of a smart female to get the impressions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Someone should've told him that kinda thing was frowned upon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 53 minutes ago, Primal Optimist said: the original poster here....what would you say to a date with such a card involved? offended? bad funny, good funny? don't even go there? I am pretty sure it would be a mood killer in any regard but figured I would enquire of a smart female to get the impressions. I'd inquire.. if I was a psycho. From what I gather, you do that if you're a crazy sexual deviant who doesn't care about an eternity of shame for a woman, or you have a young and stupid GF. Either way, it reflects badly upon you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Western Red said: I'd inquire.. if I was a psycho. From what I gather, you do that if you're a crazy sexual deviant who doesn't care about an eternity of shame for a woman, or you have a young and stupid GF. Either way, it reflects badly upon you. hahaha, yeah, right? What if it was a condom with a printed wrapper like a release form and the back is a cute flag and the flag pole is a pen? Get it? You pull out the condom just as the curtain rises on act three, right....and its an easy sign and get on with it situation haha.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, Primal Optimist said: hahaha, yeah, right? What if it was a condom with a printed wrapper like a release form and the back is a cute flag and the flag pole is a pen? Get it? You pull out the condom just as the curtain rises on act three, right....and its an easy sign and get on with it situation haha.... I dunno man, depends on your personality, it's all in the delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Keep in mind I am suggesting these as novelty items for a personal beautique kind of store...if you follow my drift....I am not saying I would do this on a date my self...it is tongue in cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 I once saw a 30 something yr old guy pull of cards that said 'professional fun guy' pretty sure he was an HA contact tho. I dunno, it sounds very niche. Like when I was young we had nothing in our wallet so we went to SF store in the mall to get profession booby inspector cards and such. Women today would rather your card has some real credentials on it, if they're any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 3 hours ago, Primal Optimist said: On the human side, I wish contracts were terminated or people fired AFTER they are proven guilty, not after they are accused. I know government and higher end business positions would suspend with pay pending the outcomes, unless there is overwhelming evidence of course...but meh, just too bad. The guys life is ruined true or not, and then if it is true, he has damaged some people in ways we will never know really. Sad all around. and speaking to what gurn said a couple spots above this post....I feel like there is a culture war on men, but I am not a combatant for either side...I know of and agree with 100% equality, between sexes, skin tones, backgrounds, nationalities, orientation and the like...I am all for 100% equal, and I support that, but I just don't like an accusation causing a lot of harm to the accused before it is substantiated no matter what. I have never liked the death penalty, so so many were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt innocent AFTER governments put them to death. It is bad enough that a Canadian spent over 20 years in jail for a murder he didn't commit (*listen to Wheat Kings and Pretty THings by the Tragically Hip) but imagine if our government killed the poor guy before DNA evidence was a thing. So sad all around. Careful who you accuse of what folks....and always rep honesty and kindness. That is my thoughts on this. so then there are likely very good reasons why the cfl is acting as it is maybe they were given information about the evidence maybe the league has done up to this point the very thing you said they should do and kept unpublished other issues that have come up with messam i think messam already was on a short leash and the league was forced to make a stand regarding this latest incident so how about we hold off on being overly critical of the league until all the information has come out and we can then assess the cfl response as well as better details about the mess messam may have gotten himself into (again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primal Optimist Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 How so ever will the 'league' recover from my unsensitive and harsh judgement of it without it being proven to be too quick to react in a court of law. Mea Culpa my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 12 minutes ago, coastal.view said: maybe they were given information about the evidence Hopefully not by the crown, police or prosecuting attorney. 13 minutes ago, coastal.view said: maybe the league has done up to this point the very thing you said they should do and kept unpublished other issues that have come up with messam Possible But still no conviction, thus the whole innocent till proven guilty. Supposed to mean something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 6 hours ago, gurn said: So if/when found to be not guilty will the team have to pay, back wages and a little extra for false dismissal? Will the league and team issue an apology? Will the media print the apology in the same place and same size font as the accusation? Personally I doubt it. Innocent till proven guilty used to mean it. Now it's just a few words. If true then he should sue the accuser for his lost opportunities. False accusations need to be punished if its indeed fake. Hopefully time will tell and the evidence proves what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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