Bert Diesel Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I really think that next season will be the season of two Canucks teams; Utica perhaps being equally important to the future of the team. The Utica team looks to be stacked while the big club may be harder to play against but isn't yet drastically improved. The Beagle, Roussel signings (although we can all agree were far too long) have the positive effect of making the farm team stacked. This relieves a large degree of the pressure on youngsters like Juolevi, Dahlen, Gaudette, etc. from jumping right into significant NHL roles. When injuries occur, we can see how these guys are progressing and that adds some excitement to next season. I'd be really interested in watching the Utica games next year as they will be almost more intriguing. This being said, there is a potential roster crunch looming. With all the bodies that require waivers to go down to Utica, Benning may consider a trade or he may lose someone valuable. From a pure asset management standpoint, i think that certain players are far more likely to be claimed than others. I think the likelihood of a waiver claim goes something like this: Leipsic 80% he will be taken (also 9 points in 14 games as a Canuck)Goldobin 70% (too much offensive potential, someone is likely to give him a shot)Granlund 50% (pretty solid season in 2016; reasonable contract)Hutton 45% (teams might like his upside; contract might scare them away)Biega 40% (some team might like him as a depth guy)Gaunce 25% (not very physical and can’t score)Boucher 20% (Not proven in the NHL)Gagner 15% (Isn’t really effective and has negative value= if he got claimed it would be a positive for Vancouver)Archibald 10% (Not really an NHL player) It will help if someone gets put on injured reserved early in the season; could prevent someone being lost on waivers. Here’s how I hope it shakes down for the 23 man roster: 1. Marky 2. Nilsson 3. Boeser 4. Horvat 5. Baertschi 6. Eriksson 7. Sutter 8. Virtanen 9. Roussel 10. Beagle 11. Schaller 12. Leipsic 13. Petterson 14. Edler 15. Tanev 16. Gudbranson 17. Stecher 18. Del Zotto 19. Pouliot 20. Hutton 21. Goldobin 22. Granlund 23. Biega Bubble/Utica/Waived gaunce= waived (who would take him with so little offensive production) Gagner=Waived (I hope they do this, nobody would claim his contract anyways and he is the least effective forward on the team) Boucher= Waived Archibald= Waived Demko=Utica Gaudette= Utica Juolevi=Utica Dahlen= Utica Motte= Utica Lind/Palmu/Gadjovich/Chatfield/Brisebois= Utica Dipietro= Juniors To summarize: waiving Gagner will prevent them from losing one of Granlund, Goldobin or Leipsic. Out of that list I would definitely keep Leipsic and prefer to see what the potential Goldobin has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Diesel Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 My hope is that by the 2019-2020 season; a large chunk of the Utica contingent has graduated and that at least 4-5 players from the big club have been traded for futures. We can only hope that a proper rebuild is on the way (fingers crossed Benning or Aquilini don't screw it up). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Diesel Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 Sorry, I meant to put Markstrom on the roster instead of Demko or Nilsson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 great no need for training camp or preseason then let's just start the season the line up is set i'm so relieved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Would like to know the mathematical formula for how you determined the percentage of waiver claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsMillerTime Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Goldobin should be 100 no way a former 1st rounder who is 22 goes unclaimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I doubt anyone we choose to waive gets claimed. Nor do I believe that should we waive and correspondingly lose any of those players it will be remotely the 'loss' parts of CDC and the media will claim it as. I can already hear the cries of 'asset management!! ' IMO Gaunce, Archibald, Boucher and one of Goldobin/Biega likely gets waived (Biega if NHL Goldy shows up, Goldy if AHL Goldy shows up) and likely all clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I thought schaller was hurt and starting on the IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 If I were to guess and put a random number on it. Leipsic 75% gets claimed (Keep him imo)Goldobin 100% gets claimed (Keep him imo top 6)Granlund 60% gets claimed (He is a valuable bottom 6 guy teams may take a run at. Maybe he slides if u land on the right day)Hutton 70% gets claimed (I think Hutton would be picked up. If he falters they would just dump him. He needs to have a good yr or his aribtration hearing will cost anyone re-signing him. his current contract is a noose).Biega 40% gets claimed (Boston really liked him a while back. (I can see a team grabbing him as their 7th D if we waived him - medicore chance but possibile)Gaunce 5% He hasn't proven himself enough to be considered a regular NHLer. (Maybe someone gambles on his size but there are better options).Boucher 25% I think he slides no problem, maybe off chance a team like NAS grabs him for NHL depth.Gagner 10% At his cap hit I think he slides no problem.Archibald 45% I think he gets claimed by a contender who wants more size and an experienced AHLer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: I thought schaller was hurt and starting on the IR 50/50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 minute ago, aGENT said: 50/50 I am sure Canucks will have a couple of players move to the IR at the end of camp.. That should help with the waiver situation.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Leipsic 90% Goldobin 90% Granlund 100% Hutton 0% 2.8 MillionBiega 0% Gaunce 50% Boucher 20% Gagner 0% 3.2 MillionArchibald 50% Eriksson 0% 6 Million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepe Silvia Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 I hope Gaunce gets claimed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeridebc Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 There will hopefully be a trade or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Fanuck said: Would like to know the mathematical formula for how you determined the percentage of waiver claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 54 minutes ago, ItsMillerTime said: Goldobin should be 100 no way a former 1st rounder who is 22 goes unclaimed. Is he ready for the NHL full time? If he gets claimed, he has to remain on the NHL club. Teams finalizing rosters might not have room for a project to continue to develop on their NHL team. Corrado seemed promising (as a bottom pairing guy) until Toronto claimed him and had no use for him and ruined his development. A guy like Duclair who is also 22 year old player with lots of offensive potential is maybe a season away from being waiver fodder and he's been riding on his one good 44 points season. I personally don't believe it's such a sure thing for Goldobin to be claimed. Granlund 90% (utility guy, can fit many roles for any team lacking anything) Pouliot 70% (dmen are high valued, 1 year deal, shown glimpses of excellent play) Hutton 60% (ditto to Pouliot, except contract might scare some teams away) Gagner 50% (Blackhawks have shown interest and might grab him for free, but a team needing scoring would add a veteran with 50 point totals over a project) Leipsic 30% (glimpses of good play given good minutes, but not much else, dime a dozen player) Goldobin 30% (similar to Leipsic, if he wasn't 22, I might have him at 10-20% based on what he has done so far) Gaunce 30% (defensive guys are underrated and more of these guys are claimed on waivers, but he doesn't excel at anything quite yet) Biega 10% (good depth option, but unlikely to be claimed at the start of the season) Archibald 10% (ditto to Biega) Boucher 0% (shown too little, career AHLer with some call ups if enough injuries occur) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 15 minutes ago, Pepe Silvia said: I hope Gaunce gets claimed. Why? He would be a great addition to Utica. What's good for the Comets is good for the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guile Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: What kind of moron intertwines his Calculus, Chemistry and Physics homework? They're difficult enough done separately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, higgyfan said: Why? He would be a great addition to Utica. What's good for the Comets is good for the Canucks. He would wear the c in utica and be their top player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 hours ago, ItsMillerTime said: Goldobin should be 100 no way a former 1st rounder who is 22 goes unclaimed. 2 hours ago, Rush17 said: Goldobin 100% gets claimed (Keep him imo top 6) Gotta echo what theo said. If Goldobin plays so poorly this fall that he can't outright win a job on a bottom 5, rebuilding team with a clear opening in the top 6 LW (the exact position he plays)... the likelihood of him getting claimed is LOOOOOWWWWWWWWWW. The likelihood of it mattering if he does is about the same. That said, here's hoping he comes in guns blazing and forcibly nails down that spot making it a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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