SingleThorn Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: Because of his NMC for the next two years you can not even send him to the minors so it is a moot point. we would be better served moving Gagner as he can at least be moved The first two years of his contract were NMC. This year plus next are full NTC ( so he can go to the AHL ). Last 2 years are modified NTC. I highly doubt Eriksson is not on this year's roster. Too much emotional GMing going on. Bring back the missing logic ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, SingleThorn said: The first two years of his contract were NMC. This year plus next are full NTC ( so he can go to the AHL ). Last 2 years are modified NTC. I highly doubt Eriksson is not on this year's roster. Too much emotional GMing going on. Bring back the missing logic ! Its not emotional GM ing to suggest that a player that hasnt produced might be surpassed by one of the younger players. It might be too early to say it but some of the young guns looked pretty good. Its not far fetched to say they could replace a Gagner,a Baertschi, a Granlund and even a Eriksson if they appear ready. Just to be clear they only thing really bad about Loui is his contract, He is a serviceable player and if he was making 4 mill a year no one would be complaining. The biggest knock is he isnt producing like a 6 million dollar man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: Because of his NMC for the next two years you can not even send him to the minors so it is a moot point. we would be better served moving Gagner as he can at least be moved 12 minutes ago, mikeyman109 said: In reality the most likely scenario with Eriksson is he takes up a roster spot for at least the next two years. In the meantime we will have many young players looking for the remaining spots we have. The NMC part of his contract ended. He's on a normal NTC for the next 2 years (which means he can be sent to the minors but I don't think he ever will), then a modified NTC for the last 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Eriksson's contract is all signing bonus. His base salary is only 1 million until his last year, and then it jumps up to 3 million. You can't buy out a signing bonus. Therefore, we can really only buy him out in his final year, and even then it still doesn't look great (we would save 1 million dollars in cap space). It only makes sense to do so if he is not good enough to fill even a 4th line role. He is somewhat trade able or palatable to bury in the minors his final two seasons as he costs $4 million on a $6 million dollar cap hit. No matter how you slice it though, Eriksson's contract is garbage. Jay Beagle's is a little better. Modified NTC throughout. The final two years of his contract he is getting paid $2.2 million for a combined $3.4 million in base salary, so we could save $1.122 in cap space by buying him out or pay him $2.2M to play in the minors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SingleThorn Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mikeyman109 said: Its not emotional GM ing to suggest that a player that hasnt produced might be surpassed by one of the younger players. It might be too early to say it but some of the young guns looked pretty good. Its not far fetched to say they could replace a Gagner, a Granlund and even a Eriksson if they appear ready. Just to be clear they only thing really bad about Loui is his contract, He is a serviceable player and if he was making 4 mill a year no one would be complaining. The biggest knock is he isnt producing like a 6 million dollar man. It's way too early to have rookies slotting in ahead of Eriksson. The bolded is true, but this money is already spent. I remember Big Country Reaves could never be mentioned without his $10 mil salary coming up. It's hard, but the player and the contract have to be viewed separately. Eriksson makes the team, as does Gagner. JB might try to move them if there is a deserving rookie, but that'll be 10 or 20 games into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, SingleThorn said: It's way too early to have rookies slotting in ahead of Eriksson. The bolded is true, but this money is already spent. I remember Big Country Reaves could never be mentioned without his $10 mil salary coming up. It's hard, but the player and the contract have to be viewed separately. Eriksson makes the team, as does Gagner. JB might try to move them if there is a deserving rookie, but that'll be 10 or 20 games into the season. I agree its too early however players that sign high dollar free agent contracts must produce as such a player or they are always going to have their contracts discussed. Sleep country Reeves was a poor selection all around. His contract was just one example of what was wrong there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 23 minutes ago, SingleThorn said: The first two years of his contract were NMC. This year plus next are full NTC ( so he can go to the AHL ). Last 2 years are modified NTC. I highly doubt Eriksson is not on this year's roster. Too much emotional GMing going on. Bring back the missing logic ! I stand corrected Single Thorn. My mistake. They could send him down but you and I know that is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 19 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: The NMC part of his contract ended. He's on a normal NTC for the next 2 years (which means he can be sent to the minors but I don't think he ever will), then a modified NTC for the last 2 years. You are absolutely correct. I somehow got that part mixed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, EdgarM said: I am really hoping these 3 guys teach our young guys some character and grit. If your small and not really tough, then you better play like a Marchand or a Ronning and not like our past "skilled" players. We have had decades of this type of play and no one has ever replaced a "heart and soul" player such as Gino Odjick. None of our small players took any crap in his era and I quite frankly want it to be that way again, after all, this is hockey isn't it? I get what you're saying, but you can hardly blame the past skilled players to play a more gritty game when they never had a guy like Odjick backing them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I don't think all hope is lost with Eriksson. I think he can make an impact on the PP this year if given the opportunity. He is still a smart defensive player. I expect him to eat some tough minutes and free the kids for more offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martybyrd Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I would be very surprised if Erikksson isn't joined at the hip with EP40 to begin the season. A very responsible 2way fwd that at least possesses some offensive upside to compliment Pettersson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davathor Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 29 minutes ago, shazzam said: I don't think all hope is lost with Eriksson. I think he can make an impact on the PP this year if given the opportunity. He is still a smart defensive player. I expect him to eat some tough minutes and free the kids for more offense. More like tough-to-watch minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dombrova22 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, coastal.view said: um you do not understand what a nmc is ericksson has one you cannot move him to the minors his contract is buy out proof you will basically be paying him close to full value to just not play for the team and he has value as a player so how does it make sense to not play him and really save no real money by buying him out He's been terrible for a 6m player. Maybe with the injection of more youth the guy will find his game again. I however, doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Best answer with LE is run out 2 more yrs perhaps, hoping he finds his old scoring touch(cross fingers)..then eat about 2 mill, trading his last 2 yrs as a 4 mill cap-hit. Some teams might go for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonecoldstevebernier Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Yeah, I have no issue with the signings given the role that they'll play. Like most people here its Gagner/Eriksson that I view as clogging up the roster given that they're placed in scoring roles and most of prospects are offensive types who aren't suited to a 4th line checking spot. I like having gritty guys like Roussel, Beagle, Schaller around as they fill a role that we don't have in our lineup or in our prospect pool. Eriksson's going nowhere but it'd be a dream to ship Gagner out somewhere with a retained salary. I'm not too concerned with them holding back guys like Dahlen, Gaudette, Lind, etc for this season as its not a bad thing at all for them to get experience in Utica first. But they do impede guys like Leipsic and Goldobin from getting legitimate shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, stonecoldstevebernier said: Yeah, I have no issue with the signings given the role that they'll play. Like most people here its Gagner/Eriksson that I view as clogging up the roster given that they're placed in scoring roles and most of prospects are offensive types who aren't suited to a 4th line checking spot. I like having gritty guys like Roussel, Beagle, Schaller around as they fill a role that we don't have in our lineup or in our prospect pool. Eriksson's going nowhere but it'd be a dream to ship Gagner out somewhere with a retained salary. I'm not too concerned with them holding back guys like Dahlen, Gaudette, Lind, etc for this season as its not a bad thing at all for them to get experience in Utica first. But they do impede guys like Leipsic and Goldobin from getting legitimate shots. If Leipsic and Goldobin would outplay a vet, JB would happily make room, by moving the vet. Leipsic and Goldy have yet to show they are actually NHL players though. They have both had multiple chances to porove themselves too. I’m really not a fan of either of these two players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: Its not emotional GM ing to suggest that a player that hasnt produced might be surpassed by one of the younger players. It might be too early to say it but some of the young guns looked pretty good. Its not far fetched to say they could replace a Gagner,a Baertschi, a Granlund and even a Eriksson if they appear ready. Just to be clear they only thing really bad about Loui is his contract, He is a serviceable player and if he was making 4 mill a year no one would be complaining. The biggest knock is he isnt producing like a 6 million dollar man. Plus when you get older, you're more injury prone...LE was injury prone before he got here.... sign, sign, everywhere a sign... pay attention to the signs, is what I'm trying to say here.... ...carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinar Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I'm more than willing to be wrong about this, but I really do think Louie is going to have a good season. He's had an atrocious shooting %, but defensively he's responsible, and he generally drives play in the right direction when he's on the ice. The thing is his production coupled with his contract. Now lets remove the animosity of him being a 6 million $ cap hit. Now lets look at what kind of player he is when he's successful. He's the guy who deposits the garbage into the goal. That means he's the guy who is moving up thru the slot/side of the net position who's depositing rebounds, mis directed shots, and tap ins. He is NOT a sniper. He's basically a play recipient who usually makes a living being in the right spots when someone else is doing the shooting. Now you put him with 2 guys who barely shoot the puck, setting you up like you're a sniper, where you don't even have someone in front of the net to screen the goalie... There is no chaos for the goalie to fight thru, nothing. Now you put him with Sutter and Pettersson as I imagine it might fall out....You'll see a lot more shots, a lot more movement and chaos instead of set plays. I think that'll be where he finds his game again and he'll come alive. Now the people who have to worry the most about being displaced are Gaunce, Granlund, and Gagner. And I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of those guys aren't on the outside looking in if they don't bring it at camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 hours ago, Kanuck_Krazy said: I don't think anyone had any problem with the players brought in. It was their contract. The terms were awful. No-one else would have paid them that much for that long. (Roussel/Beagle) Schaller is okay. Exactly, no one else did pay them for that long because no one else didn't get these guys. If a team who has been in the basement for years now want great character free agents, then you need to offer what the other guys aren't and that means term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 5 hours ago, aqua59 said: Thoughts? None of the new UFA's are going anywhere. It is anyone other than the young untouchables that should be worried about someone taking their spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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