Rob_Zepp Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kanuck_Krazy said: Once again the problem is not with the players. I agree they do bring an element that is sorely missed. It's two to three years from now when all this young talent has to get paid and you have 7 million in cap caught up in fourth line players. Right now this doesn't hurt the Canucks but it will later. Nope. Move, cut or similar with these players without fuss, muss or fanfare IF youth takes their minutes. You have 23 players on NHL roster - if having 2 or 3 veterans impedes that roster, there is a significant problem in the first place but if those vets cannot exceed the play of younger players, they will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 11 hours ago, spook007 said: Then they don't sign.... simples... When you are a rebuilding team, you have to pay more or for longer, if you want players others may want as well.... Make no mistake, these signings are the equivalent of hockey prositutes who came here for the payday. I don’t hold that against them, but understand what their motivations are for joining such a team. If I were overpaying for role players, I’d have bought the Reaves and not the pest version of a small, scrappy guy and even a Hartnell, or anyone willing to play in Canada, of that ilk. This is not to say that I don’t welcome or endorse the signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: About time there was a thread about these guys. Sounds like we just signed these 3..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said: Sounds like we just signed these 3..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 4 hours ago, mikeyman109 said: its amazing the attention on player can bring on himself as the opposition forgets about playing the game. Most successful teams have this element somewhere in the lineup. Totally agree Brother. A great team is like a high performance engine. Every part/ player has to perform or the whole team/engine breaks. From memory he was a first rounder, 30th I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6string Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 26 minutes ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Ole time hockey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, 6string said: Ole time hockey... I never get sick of watching that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 At least lose well during the rebuild phase. Maybe this year has some dignity to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 I love the Roussel signing. Perfect signing for this club. No complaints. I like Beagle but hate the term of his contract. I don't get why we signed Schaller for 2 years. My worry is that a Schaller will keep a guy like Lukas Jasek, Zack MacEwen, and/or Petrus Palmu from breaking into the big club this year because he's occupying a roster spot when those guys are ready for jobs. In particular, I feel like Jasek could be the big surprise and force management's hand and get onto the 3rd line. A guy like Jasek could learn A LOT from Roussel. I see similarities between the two though Jasek has a higher offensive ceiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, Quantum said: I don't get why we signed Schaller for 2 years. My worry is that a Schaller will keep a guy like Lukas Jasek, Zack MacEwen, and/or Petrus Palmu from breaking into the big club this year because he's occupying a roster spot when those guys are ready for jobs. In particular, I feel like Jasek could be the big surprise and force management's hand and get onto the 3rd line. A guy like Jasek could learn A LOT from Roussel. I see similarities between the two though Jasek has a higher offensive ceiling. I think if Schaller prevents those players from breaking into the club, then those players are probably not ready for the NHL. Schaller's going to have a niche on this team, but I don't exactly see his 22 points as being stiff competition. I wouldn't even be surprised if Schaller doesn't even play every game. Or, he could move the other way. If Schaller improves on his point totals from Boston (which he could) then we have another puzzle piece to work with moving forward. The simple truth is the players you've mentioned are long shots to make the NHL. They could make the NHL and they are looking like very nice selections and signings for the team given their potential, but they are still long shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 46 minutes ago, Ilunga said: I never get sick of watching that movie. Greatest sports movie of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 51 minutes ago, Quantum said: I love the Roussel signing. Perfect signing for this club. No complaints. I like Beagle but hate the term of his contract. I don't get why we signed Schaller for 2 years. My worry is that a Schaller will keep a guy like Lukas Jasek, Zack MacEwen, and/or Petrus Palmu from breaking into the big club this year because he's occupying a roster spot when those guys are ready for jobs. In particular, I feel like Jasek could be the big surprise and force management's hand and get onto the 3rd line. A guy like Jasek could learn A LOT from Roussel. I see similarities between the two though Jasek has a higher offensive ceiling. I have a somewhat reverse perspective. I think Beagle is the no-brainer signing of the three. The team had two NHL centers and some winger-conversion options - and a very young emerging top 6. They needed a Beagle more than any other asset - needed the elite faceoff ability, the shutdown/hard minutes, needed a center more than any winger. I preferred the Schaller signing over Roussel as well. Shorter term, smaller cap and commitment - better 'underlying' numbers than Roussel, more physical, bigger body/heavier presence (more hits, more blocks, more intimidating and willing to stand up), ie less pest more 'warrior', more productive last year, more versatile (twice the pk ice time and able to play center/take draws), better turnover differential, better all around defensive numbers.....Imo, he's the second relative no-brainer. Schaller is relatively under-rated here. None of that is intended to underplay Roussel, who will probably also be a fan favorite around here - and brings some different elements including the ability to get under people's skin (really hoping for a replay of Dorsett's epic performances in driving McMe1st absolutely nuts - but that's a very high bar imo). In any event, if I were to stop short of a 3rd UFA signing last summer, it would have been Roussel - while at the same time I'd much prefer Roussel doing what he does rather than keeping Gagner around. These guys may 'take spots' but they also enable the young forwards around them (and support the blueline)....I'd be far more concerned about the space taken by a Gagner than one of these true bottom six vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinar Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Schaller....if he plays well, could very well be tdl bait, as well as gagner Beagle and Roussel, tdl bait in a few years time. You pay more if you get a guy with 1 year left on his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nooks Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Sounds like we just signed these 3..... TBH this is exactly what we need to go with our skilled youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 1 hour ago, 189lb enforcers? said: Make no mistake, these signings are the equivalent of hockey prositutes who came here for the payday. I don’t hold that against them, but understand what their motivations are for joining such a team. If I were overpaying for role players, I’d have bought the Reaves and not the pest version of a small, scrappy guy and even a Hartnell, or anyone willing to play in Canada, of that ilk. This is not to say that I don’t welcome or endorse the signings. I agree and I'm fully aware they don't sign here for their love of Green and Blue... They bring an element I've been screaming for for ages... I always felt if we weren't good enough to compete on the score sheet, let us at least settle a few scores while our next generation matures. To me they arrived two years too late... but better late than never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilunga Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 Just now, oldnews said: I have a somewhat reverse perspective. I think Beagle is the no-brainer signing of the three. The team had two NHL centers and some winger-conversion options - and a very young emerging top 6. They needed a Beagle more than any other asset - needed the elite faceoff ability, the shutdown/hard minutes, needed a center more than any winger. I preferred the Schaller signing over Roussel as well. Shorter term, smaller cap and commitment - better 'underlying' numbers than Roussel, more physical, bigger body/heavier presence (more hits, more blocks, more intimidating and willing to stand up), ie less pest more 'warrior', more productive last year, more versatile (twice the pk ice time and able to play center/take draws), better turnover differential, better all around defensive numbers.....Imo, he's the second relative no-brainer. Schaller is relatively under-rated here. None of that is intended to underplay Roussel, who will probably also be a fan favorite around here - and brings some different elements including the ability to get under people's skin (really hoping for a replay of Dorsett's epic performances in driving McMe1st absolutely nuts - but that's a very high bar imo). In any event, if I were to stop short of a 3rd UFA signing last summer, it would have been Roussel - while at the same time I'd much prefer Roussel doing what he does rather than keeping Gagner around. These guys may 'take spots' but they also enable the young forwards around them (and support the blueline)....I'd be far more concerned about the space taken by a Gagner than one of these true bottom six vets. Hey Old News, Buhdas hand ,Ratiocinator here. Have told a bunch of members I am back, just letting others I respected/respect I am back. Hope you are well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanuck_Krazy Posted September 9, 2018 Share Posted September 9, 2018 2 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: Nope. Move, cut or similar with these players without fuss, muss or fanfare IF youth takes their minutes. You have 23 players on NHL roster - if having 2 or 3 veterans impedes that roster, there is a significant problem in the first place but if those vets cannot exceed the play of younger players, they will be gone. The problem is how will they be gone? Trade is unlikely unless you add something to take the contract. Burying them in minors is an option but not one that has ever been used by this team and especially these owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Kanuck_Krazy said: The problem is how will they be gone? Trade is unlikely unless you add something to take the contract. Burying them in minors is an option but not one that has ever been used by this team and especially these owners. You seem to believe that these players are some kind of radioactive waste that is almost impossible to dispose of. That is not correct, and is not something you need to worry about. And of course these owners have already demonstrated that they will send a veteran to the minors or buy out a contract if that is what is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyman109 Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 8 hours ago, stawns said: Passed by Pettersson, for sure. The other two havent proven anything yet. I think they will surpass Goldy, but that's far from a sure thing. Don't forget, Goldy had an excellent run in the AHL, and he's earned the benefit of the doubt. I disagree he has earned more than doubt.One just has to watch the Ranger game in New york last year. Sorry he has had two years to start showing he has it at the NHL level and so far he has not. Dahlen is passing him and Petterson has already passed him. Goldobin fans are victims of one prospect syndrome. Now that we have more than one to choose from its sensory overload and they cant let go of Goldy.Sometimes gifted offensive prospects dont make the NHL. He cant back check and that just not going to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ryan Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 From @oldnews: I think Beagle is the no-brainer signing of the three. The team had two NHL centers and some winger-conversion options - and a very young emerging top 6. They needed a Beagle more than any other asset - needed the elite faceoff ability, the shutdown/hard minutes, needed a center more than any winger. I preferred the Schaller signing over Roussel as well. Shorter term, smaller cap and commitment - better 'underlying' numbers than Roussel, more physical, bigger body/heavier presence (more hits, more blocks, more intimidating and willing to stand up), ie less pest more 'warrior', more productive last year, more versatile (twice the pk ice time and able to play center/take draws), better turnover differential, better all around defensive numbers.....Imo, he's the second relative no-brainer. Schaller is relatively under-rated here I agree with you on this. I liked the Beagle signing the most. It gives us needed help on the PK, a glaring weakness last year. It relieves Sutter from so much responsibility; now he and his line can play against the opponents #2 line, and become very effective. Beagle also gives the locker room something that wasn't here last year, and hasn't been in sometime: a Stanley Cup ring. Gives the younger guys a more immediate goal. I don't mind the Schaller signing too much. If he contributes anything really positive, he can be more easily moved to gain another asset. The term and money was realistic. If he doesn't, well, he was the most expensive signing by any means. The Roussel signing...ok, I guess. Sounds like another Torres to me, just without as much skill. One year too many, $1m too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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